Fun, Charging, Forgiving Powder Ski? POLL

fun/forgiving and a charger is somewhat of a contradiction. The damper/more chargy of a ski the less playful it's going to be, in general. Tweaks to other aspects of the skis can help, but that's the general trend. The Kye is more of a charger, the YLE more playful. The deathwish and jeffrey would probably be somewhere in between.

Forgiving is an interesting term. The ON3P's unique flex allows it to remain stable through crappy snow (generally a stiff ski trait) while not transferring every bump into your shins.

patagonialukefun/forgiving and a charger is somewhat of a contradiction.

Until you try the Deathwish :D

hot.pocketUntil you try the Deathwish :D

than 'hooky' is all you need to know.

I can see the dumb rocker/camber profile being great if you can't edge a traditional ski to save your life. If you do know how to engage an edge it is both unnecessary and overly hooky .

I like the YLE. I'm not a big guy so it is plenty stiff for me. It feels beefy and seems to truck through the chunder. I would buy it again. I haven't tried the others on your list.

I thought the Atomic Automatic 109 was great fun.

cobra_commanderthan 'hooky' is all you need to know.

I can see the dumb rocker/camber profile being great if you can't edge a traditional ski to save your life. If you do know how to engage an edge it is both unnecessary and overly hooky .

You ever tried it?

Definatly don't overlook KF layzrs. Soft enough to jib. Stiff enough to mob. It will for sure be on the softer side if comparing to a super stiff charging ski

ARMADA JJ.

I have patrons and I've never really thought of them as too soft, imo they're the perfect flex for an east coast all mountain/ tree ski. Maybe a little too soft for super firm snow like a 20 degree day after a rainstorm but in anything else they are the shit.

cobra_commanderthan 'hooky' is all you need to know.

I can see the dumb rocker/camber profile being great if you can't edge a traditional ski to save your life. If you do know how to engage an edge it is both unnecessary and overly hooky .

Have you ever tried a ski like that? There SO many capable skis that can hold an edge well with that rocker profile.

I have Surface Outsiders (probably one of the craziest rocker shapes on the market) as my pow ski and when you get them moving quickly they can lay down an edge surprising well.

If anything being able to make proper turns and engage the edge well only will help you ride that type of ski harder

patagonialukefun/forgiving and a charger is somewhat of a contradiction. The damper/more chargy of a ski the less playful it's going to be, in general. Tweaks to other aspects of the skis can help, but that's the general trend. The Kye is more of a charger, the YLE more playful. The deathwish and jeffrey would probably be somewhere in between.

Yeah, I understand. I like damper, stiffer and almost dead skis. 2x4 will do fine. After, trying different skis I feel like I progress and have more fun on a chargy ski. Obviously, I don't want them to be so stiff that they have zero flex but I also don't want them to be so forgiving that you're able to hand fold them.

.squirrely.I have patrons and I've never really thought of them as too soft, imo they're the perfect flex for an east coast all mountain/ tree ski. Maybe a little too soft for super firm snow like a 20 degree day after a rainstorm but in anything else they are the shit.

From looking on Nordica's site it seems that the helldorado and patron are almost exactly the same, the different is one has titanium. I would think the helldorado would be a lot more stable but by I have skied either of them so...

Also to be honest I don't even know what forgiving means in ski terms

KravtZHave you ever tried a ski like that? There SO many capable skis that can hold an edge well with that rocker profile.

I have Surface Outsiders (probably one of the craziest rocker shapes on the market) as my pow ski and when you get them moving quickly they can lay down an edge surprising well.

If anything being able to make proper turns and engage the edge well only will help you ride that type of ski harder

As a general rule I don't talk about skis I have not skied on.

The moment triple camber is totally different from your Surface bullshit

cobra_commanderAs a general rule I don't talk about skis I have not skied on.

The moment triple camber is totally different from your Surface bullshit

Thats fair enough...my Surface skis rip though...never been on such a fun pow ski before. Such a fun surfy feel to those skis.

cobra_commanderAs a general rule I don't talk about skis I have not skied on.

The moment triple camber is totally different from your Surface bullshit

So assuming you've ridden them, could you go into a little bit greater detail on skiing the moment triple camber? I've always wanted to try it out?

KravtZThats fair enough...my Surface skis rip though...never been on such a fun pow ski before. Such a fun surfy feel to those skis.

But they do not look like chargers and have the largest amount of rocker I've ever seen on a ski.

If one would pick the YLE and Jeffery for chargyness but still have a ski that you can play around with, which one would be the best bet?

I know the Jeffery has a bamboo core with fiberglass and carbon stringers, so it's damp, which I love but still poppy. I can not find anything on the core of the YLE, specifically the wood they use. Also, do either of them use P-tex sidewalls or are both ABS.

For reference, I have the Line SFB, Recoils and Punx. I do not like the feel of the punx and the SFB's are fun but pretty twitchy and turny, my recoils are very damp/heavy and I like them for this reason.

fuckmekevinBut they do not look like chargers and have the largest amount of rocker I've ever seen on a ski.

They charge harder than you would think they are really stiff skis.

That being said I wouldn't classify them as chargers at all..I just used them as an example in my original post. The rocker is crazy and gets all kinds of comments from people. But it rides MUCH better than you would think. The faster you go on them the better they become. If they didn't ski well Surface wouldnt make them year after year

fuckmekevinI know the Jeffery has a bamboo core with fiberglass and carbon stringers, so it's damp, which I love but still poppy. I can not find anything on the core of the YLE, specifically the wood they use. Also, do either of them use P-tex sidewalls or are both ABS.

YLE is their Hi-Lite core which is poplar and ash or poplar and beech depending on the year with fiberglass laminates. and ABS sidewalls.

cobra_commanderthan 'hooky' is all you need to know.

I can see the dumb rocker/camber profile being great if you can't edge a traditional ski to save your life. If you do know how to engage an edge it is both unnecessary and overly hooky .

I dunno, I ski the Praxis Concept which has the same camber profile as the Deathwish, and I don't find this to be the case at all. Obviously they're different skis, but the camber profiles are pretty similar, and I've never once had a problem with the Concept being hooky. Maybe it's something else about the Deathwish that made it hooky? Maybe it just had a bad tune on it?

The jeffrey 114 is fun, chargey, and forgiving. It has the best combo of those three attributes, out of any ski Ive ever skied.

A very close Second place would go to the K2 Shreditor 112. I am a big guy, and skied the 179 as a rock ski last year, and it handle a lot more than I initially thought it could. So much so that im going with the 189 this year, as my all mountain jib ski. Because its $130 cheaper than the jeffrey, and ive always had good luck with k2s freeride skis. Its similar in performance to the jeffrey, albeit a bit softer and less durable. But still GREAT!

Too bad both of these skis are discontinued now, however the new ON3P Kartel 108 looks like it will fill this roll. IDK about k2s marksman, seems like a bunch of hogwash. I like normal skis.

WolfMonkeyThe jeffrey 114 is fun, chargey, and forgiving. It has the best combo of those three attributes, out of any ski Ive ever skied.

A very close Second place would go to the K2 Shreditor 112. I am a big guy, and skied the 179 as a rock ski last year, and it handle a lot more than I initially thought it could. So much so that im going with the 189 this year, as my all mountain jib ski. Because its $130 cheaper than the jeffrey, and ive always had good luck with k2s freeride skis. Its similar in performance to the jeffrey, albeit a bit softer and less durable. But still GREAT!

Too bad both of these skis are discontinued now, however the new ON3P Kartel 108 looks like it will fill this roll. IDK about k2s marksman, seems like a bunch of hogwash. I like normal skis.

Do the shred 112s have a different flex pattern than the 102/92? I have 189cm 102s and they're soft as hell, love them as a park ski and for all mtn jibbing shit but they definitely have a speed limit and can't charge anything like my patrons do. Incredible ski for playin in any kind of soft snow though

Okay, so I rode patrons last season, and this season I rode Jeffrey 114s... I'll do a little compare and contrast to help you out on those specific models.
Rocker Profile: The profiles of both skis are super similar, but the patrons have a super blunt tip which sometimes had the tendency to spear bumps when straightlining on slushy snow, which gets annoying. This problem isn't at all with the Jeffreys. (Jeffreys win on this for me) plus the Jeffeys also felt a little more effortless in deep snow.
Sidecut: The Jeffreys have a straighter Sidecut which in turn makes them way more stable and fun at speed. The Patrons on the other hand have a super tight turn radius so are very nimble at low speed, but not as ideal when going mach down rough terrain. If your into more low speed jibbing, I'd take the patrons all day. But when it comes to ripping around and sending everything in sight, I'd hands down take the Jeffrey's.
Flex: Again, patrons are softer and more jibby, but this also gives them a speed limit that's very reachable, and while they still handle speed, there's a point where the soft tails get squirrelly. ON3P describes the Jeffreys as a Jibby ski with a backbone, and I totally agree with this, to me they're the perfectly balanced between jibby and chargey. They are great at speed but also fun for playing around everywhere. Also the Jeffreys are way more confidence inspiring.
Durability: The Jeffreys build quality is flawless, I dropped a ten foot cliff straight onto a submerged rock on accident and somehow only got a little scuff. That same day I ran over tons of rocks and stumps which were hiding underneath the snow and at the end of the day were somehow unscathed.
Overall, I really enjoy my Jeffreys, far more than the patrons. ON3P somehow produced the perfect ski: Bomb proof, floats really well, super playful, and unbelievably chargey.. Without a doubt the best ski I've ever ridden, besides my Kartels which I'd say are on the same level.

hojis or devastators.

I have a set of YLEs in 187cms for cheap if you want.

I thought the camber on the new KYEs kills the playful factor compared to the full rocker on the hojis and devs

SurfboardOkay, so I rode patrons last season, and this season I rode Jeffrey 114s... I'll do a little compare and contrast to help you out on those specific models.
Rocker Profile: The profiles of both skis are super similar, but the patrons have a super blunt tip which sometimes had the tendency to spear bumps when straightlining on slushy snow, which gets annoying. This problem isn't at all with the Jeffreys. (Jeffreys win on this for me) plus the Jeffeys also felt a little more effortless in deep snow.
Sidecut: The Jeffreys have a straighter Sidecut which in turn makes them way more stable and fun at speed. The Patrons on the other hand have a super tight turn radius so are very nimble at low speed, but not as ideal when going mach down rough terrain. If your into more low speed jibbing, I'd take the patrons all day. But when it comes to ripping around and sending everything in sight, I'd hands down take the Jeffrey's.
Flex: Again, patrons are softer and more jibby, but this also gives them a speed limit that's very reachable, and while they still handle speed, there's a point where the soft tails get squirrelly. ON3P describes the Jeffreys as a Jibby ski with a backbone, and I totally agree with this, to me they're the perfectly balanced between jibby and chargey. They are great at speed but also fun for playing around everywhere. Also the Jeffreys are way more confidence inspiring.
Durability: The Jeffreys build quality is flawless, I dropped a ten foot cliff straight onto a submerged rock on accident and somehow only got a little scuff. That same day I ran over tons of rocks and stumps which were hiding underneath the snow and at the end of the day were somehow unscathed.
Overall, I really enjoy my Jeffreys, far more than the patrons. ON3P somehow produced the perfect ski: Bomb proof, floats really well, super playful, and unbelievably chargey.. Without a doubt the best ski I've ever ridden, besides my Kartels which I'd say are on the same level.

When I have enough money to blow because the Jeffery has been something I really wanted to buy, what would be similar in ON3P's 2017 Lineup?

BogsI dunno, I ski the Praxis Concept which has the same camber profile as the Deathwish, and I don't find this to be the case at all. Obviously they're different skis, but the camber profiles are pretty similar, and I've never once had a problem with the Concept being hooky. Maybe it's something else about the Deathwish that made it hooky? Maybe it just had a bad tune on it?

It must have been a bad tune or something weird, I've never had someone complain that the Deathwish is hooky due to it's camber profile.

fuckmekevinWhen I have enough money to blow because the Jeffery has been something I really wanted to buy, what would be similar in ON3P's 2017 Lineup?

Kartel 116