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~100 waist, true twin skis, that aren't the candide2.0

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Cyanicenine
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I can't seem to find any. I keep wishing I had a wider version of my atomic punx for slush. I've been riding the faction prodigy which does pretty well but could be better in the park. I find myself missing how my punx ski switch, and I also wish the tips weren't so floppy on the prodigy.

The Candide 2.0 is the obvious and popular choice, but I refuse to ski a 15m sidecut. The 18m sidecut at the large size would be acceptable, but at 5'2 there is no way I can ski the 184. My favorite thing about the Punx is the long 24/20/24m hook free sidecut. What other mid wide, stiff, true twin skis are out there besides the Candide 2.0? I'm wanting a ~170 length with tip rocker. I'm leaning towards ON3P Kartel 98, but I wish they were more symmetrical as well as more affordable. I would like some more options to look at.
May 5 2016 5:08PM
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OregonDead
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Have you ever tried the Blizzard Sheeva? I've been looking at that ski as a possibility for my wife. She prefers a twin tip but doesn't have one in the 100ish width. Blizzard Sambas are the skis she ends up riding the most .
May 5 2016 5:25PM
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hot.pocket
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Moment PB&J or Sierra would be other options to look into.
May 5 2016 5:29PM
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.lencon
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What wrong with a 15m sidecut?

Why do you want symmetrical? Asymmetrical ski better anyways.

And that hook free stuff is just marketing.
May 5 2016 6:16PM
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Cyanicenine
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The Sierra is weirdly fascinating, I've never seen snowboard style center rocker on a ski before.

Is the Candide 2.0 really the only mid fat true twin ski out there? True twin meaning the tip is the same width as the tail. With how popular it is you'd think more manufacturers would be jumping on board with the fatter true twin park ski.
May 5 2016 6:39PM
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hot.pocket
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CyanicenineThe Sierra is weirdly fascinating, I've never seen snowboard style center rocker on a ski before.

Is the Candide 2.0 really the only mid fat true twin ski out there? True twin meaning the tip is the same width as the tail. With how popular it is you'd think more manufacturers would be jumping on board with the fatter true twin park ski.


Snowboard style center rocker? Triple Camber, with more info here: http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0593/8853/files/triple-color-thing_7c6e223f-070a-493c-bbeb-6424721c856a.jpg?14939948509311996253



As for truly symmetrical skis, they don't ski as well as asymmetrical skis due to how you pressure the edges differently riding switch. That's why the market isn't flooded with them.
May 5 2016 6:51PM
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Cyanicenine
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hot.pocketAs for truly symmetrical skis, they don't ski as well as asymmetrical skis due to how you pressure the edges differently riding switch. That's why the market isn't flooded with them.


There is clearly a benefit in the park since so many of the top park skis are symmetrical; ON3P Fithly rich, Candide 1.0 and 2.0, Line Chronic, Atomic Punx, K2 Domain, etc.

I don't mind the loss in performance skiing forwards, it's pretty minimal if the Punx are anything to go by, but it is noticeable how much better symmetrical skis are at skiing switch.

I made this post really just to see if anyone could come up with another fat symmetrical ski besides the Candide 2.0, but so far it looks like the answer is nope.
May 5 2016 7:24PM
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hot.pocket
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CyanicenineThere is clearly a benefit in the park since so many of the top park skis are symmetrical; ON3P Fithly rich, Candide 1.0 and 2.0, Line Chronic, Atomic Punx, K2 Domain, etc.


Oh, so the market is flooded with them? I'm telling you that an asymmetrical ski performs better. People just want a symmetrical ski because they think it's going to make them great at park.
May 5 2016 7:31PM
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Simon.k
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Al Dente?
May 5 2016 7:43PM
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OregonDead
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hot.pocketMoment PB&J or Sierra would be other options to look into.


Sierra looks really interesting to me. Wish I could find a better deal on it though. Sounds stiffer than the Sheeva and a longer turn radius too.

CyanicenineTrue twin meaning the tip is the same width as the tail. With how popular it is you'd think more manufacturers would be jumping on board with the fatter true twin park ski.


I'd consider anything with a tail that rises up as high as the tip to be a true twin tip. What you are looking for is what I call a symmetrical twin tip.
May 5 2016 8:00PM
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mattb912
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CyanicenineThere is clearly a benefit in the park since so many of the top park skis are symmetrical; ON3P Fithly rich, Candide 1.0 and 2.0, Line Chronic, Atomic Punx, K2 Domain, etc.


For every symmetrical park ski there is probably two asymmetrical park skis on the market, so thats not much of a point.

But to be more helpful, have you looked at the Surface Odyssey?
May 5 2016 8:50PM
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mattb912
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Double post, HG skis makes a cambered as well as a rockered symmetrical park ski
May 5 2016 8:54PM
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.lencon
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No no no. Asymmetrical skis are better for the switch anyways..

But if you want I think KF has some new skis next year that are like 100 waist and symmetrical
May 5 2016 9:20PM
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.lencon
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https://issuu.com/jas242/docs/page

There they are. The razor 105. In your size it would be a 103 waist, symmetrical too. 20.5 m sidecut.

They have a pre order sale too. I don't recommend symmetrical skis but if you get some get these
May 5 2016 9:23PM
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RDem
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Salomon Rocker2 100 would be a good choice. It's what I ski now and I love it.
May 5 2016 9:46PM
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Cyanicenine
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.lenconNo no no. Asymmetrical skis are better for the switch anyways..


I own scratches and punx, and even though they're similar in shape and purpose, the symmetrical punx are way, way more fun to ride switch... Maybe I ski weirdly, but I'm going to need a reason why I would want a narrower tip that's more prone to deflection and getting stuck in tracks while riding switch.

Most of the skis I see in the park are symmetrical yet everyone here is shitting all over them saying they are bad skis. NS usually loves symmetrical twins, the filthy rich alone gets recommended in almost every park ski thread.

.lenconBut if you want I think KF has some new skis next year that are like 100 waist and symmetrical


Thanks for this, Kitten Factory wasn't on my radar, those are definitely interesting.
May 5 2016 10:14PM
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.lencon
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CyanicenineI own scratches and punx, and even though they're similar in shape and purpose, the symmetrical punx are way, way more fun to ride switch... Maybe I ski weirdly, but I'm going to need a reason why I would want a narrower tip that's more prone to deflection and getting stuck in tracks while riding switch.

Most of the skis I see in the park are symmetrical yet everyone here is shitting all over them saying they are bad skis. NS usually loves symmetrical twins, the filthy rich alone gets recommended in almost every park ski thread.



Thanks for this, Kitten Factory wasn't on my radar, those are definitely interesting.


They're not bad, they just really don't serve a purpose. Haha I mean no one really rides switch THAT much. And the filthy riches are updated and no longer symmetrical. They actually ski better switch now.

Think of how you ski forward and how you ski switch. When you go forward you have lots of shin pressure, and drive the ski. When you go switch you don't have that pressure, cause your legs just don't bend that way.

If you like symmetrical skis that's great, nice thing about skiing is its all up to you.

Wasn't trying to just shit on symmetrical skis just giving some insight.
May 5 2016 10:56PM
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shin-bang
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All of my skis are Symetrical:) both park and pow, and I love it :)
May 5 2016 11:07PM
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