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teamdummyI've come to the conclusion that i don't really give a shit about them. Does it really mess the jumps up that bad? As long as people are taking their turn and not snaking people or stopping in dangerous places......they can do whatever they want as far as I'm concerned.
DACO-TOGthis was my first year working park crew and i can honestly say that i don't really care about those kids anymore. as long as their not stopping on the lip and creating a big spoon i have to fill later they can do whatever they want.
liam_nowackiIm not against little kids in the park or newbie s trying stuff (we were all there at one point)
J_SOne time I saw this snowboarder go off the side of a jump, like you're talking about, and he landed nose heavy so the front of his board caught in the snow and he flipped over and fell straight off the side of the knuckle.
teamdummyI've come to the conclusion that i don't really give a shit about them. Does it really mess the jumps up that bad? As long as people are taking their turn and not snaking people or stopping in dangerous places......they can do whatever they want as far as I'm concerned.
Titsandwich11people love to complain about this but if someone going off the side of a jump "ruins" the jump for you, you fucking blow at skiing
people can use shit however they want. im sure you wouldn't squawk if one of your buddies took off diagonally on a jump to tranny find something
MinggThey're kids, leave em alone. If they aren't snaking you/getting in your way/being dangerous then it's a stupid thing to worry about. They're just trying to ski like you and me. They aren't causing any more damage than you are by jumping off the lip. Lips get worn down, it is what it is. That's why you have park crews who are supposed to rake them.
theabortionatoryes it actually does. Dont worry though park crew will spend time continuously fixing their fuck ups to keep the park rideable.
Also it comes down to park etiquette.
theabortionatorno, not at all. It actually does ruin the jump. For example. Cut up jumps on the side of rollers on trails. Those are formed from people taking the side angle into something even if its ice. The same thing happens in the park.
Everyone likes a nice maintained park right? Well people the people side jumping things and climbing all over them fucks them up.This is especially bad in the spring when they rut the takeoffs out to the sides to a point where its a challenge just to get to the rail.
Freestyle skiing is fun, and shouldnt be exclusive. I am down for everyone trying to get in there and enjoy the park, but dont tell me that these people arent fucking things up because they 100% are.
The park is not a jungle gym for kids to climb around on the rails, the boxes arent benches for mom, its not cool to sidejump or climb around on takeoffs.
theabortionatorFuck this. day staff is supposed to maintain the park but your argument is equal to throwing my plate on the floor in a restaurant because somebody is paid to clean it up.
I actually like having nice crisp corners.
Also in general to thread, almost all the time these ARE the people who snake other riders, stand in bad spots, get hurt hitting features improperly.
ny300zfor $90+ a day ticket prices ill do whatever the fuck i want out there
Titsandwich11let's put it this way. i hit rail takeoffs and regular takeoffs diagonally all the time to tranny find, and needless to say im heavier and hit them faster than any gaper side-hits a rail lip
so what's the difference? people like to tough talk on gapers but no one has ever complained about people like you and me hitting stuff however we want, provided we're being safe
sometimes shit gets rutted out, and park crew does or doesn't do their job and maintains it. and the world continues to spin.
TOAST.Honestly I dont think its that big of a deal. The only time I mind is if a takeoff hasnt had time to set. If the takeoff is a few days old, even in the spring, it doesnt do to much to it as long as their are more people hitting it "right" than side hitting it.
MinggI mean I know what you're saying. I guess it differs everywhere, but I run into side jumpers maybe like once every 5 or 6 runs and it isn't like they're lapping park. Most people do not do that. Compared to how many people hit it "right" there aren't that many side jumpers so the damage can't be a whole lot worse.
What about filmers? I've seen filmers hit the lip but not the feature. Are they shitty too for trying to get the shot? haha
From your point of view I get it since you have to fix it up and you have a reason to bitch. But all these skiers throwing hissy fits are annoying as fuck. It's like they just get pissed to have a reason to be pissed.
theabortionatorTranny find so hot right now. Can't hit rails so side jump them to be artsy
Titsandwich11i can hit rails just fine thanks, and the entire point of what i was saying is that it doesnt matter if im the best or worst skier in the park (important note: im the best), hitting a jump at an angle is not worth getting upset about.
if the jump is so malleable that it can be "ruined" by a few gapers side-hitting it, then you can spend 30 seconds stomping it out to fix it and be done
the same people who complain about this are probably the same people who throw their hands up, yell, and skip the jump while yelling about gapers cause someone came near them in the inrun
Breaking_RadSide jumping is bringing freeskiing back to its roots.
Breaking_RadSide jumping is bringing freeskiing back to its roots.
liam_nowackiIf your doing to find tranny or hit a diffrent rail thats fine, its when thesse little racer kids just go up and down it in full fucking snowplow destroying the lip (its only usually in spring it pisses me off because lips are already pretty shitty and they just make it 10X worse)
Please explain how hitting a jump at a angle as opposed to straight is bringing freesking back to its roots
Titsandwich11people love to complain about this but if someone going off the side of a jump "ruins" the jump for you, you fucking blow at skiing
people can use shit however they want. im sure you wouldn't squawk if one of your buddies took off diagonally on a jump to tranny find something
theabortionatorTranny find so hot right now. Can't hit rails so side jump them to be artsy
They still kill the edges over time. I mean I bring it back to gold every chance I get to minimize their efforts but still. I like a clean park and there's no reason for sidejumping.
Also I've seen plenty of times where people jump next to the feature, and land one ski on it and get smoked in barrel roll fashion. These are the kid of people who's parents would sue the assholes who put the big metal rail in the way of the jump their kid wanted to hit.
There are plenty of side jumpers who lap the park. Depends where you are. But it's a "Let's not go down the beginner park and go to the big park so we can side jump everything and tell our friends how rad we are" mentality.
In the spring it's a total shit show some places. If it's warm enough you get actual berms going on some features. This happens at even some of the mountains with the best parks.
Maybe your mtn is gaper free. Enjoy.
As far as filmers side jumping lips, what the fuck kind of garbage shot are they trying to get? "Hey, I'm going to skip this flat area next to the feature, and hit a small bump size jump to make my shot more sketch"
Maybe it's the new artsy thing.
Idk guys, whatever. A good amount of the people getting sledded out of the parks by patrol are people who weren't using features how they were intended to be. The "we were all there once" is total bullshit. Everybody was a noob, not everyone did whatever they pleased in the park.
Nothing more fun than raking out a feature to have the first person side jump it at a gnarly angle.
Also as mentioned about the sidejumpers generally being fucks in other aspects of the park. Side jumper almost took me out and broke my new board/ side jumping a rail. She also came damn close to belly flopping the rail, and landed on her head.
Idk, when you have complaints from people who came into ski patrol that this or that was unsafe or whatever, because them and their kids are total garbage, it's mildly annoying.
I'm honestly not a dick to people in the park at all. That said, it's bullshit to say that this is completely acceptable behavior and should almost be encouraged.
californiagrownKnow how i know it is or just was spring break at your mountain? hahahahaha
Why has no one ever thought about just making a bunch of lips with no features or landings? Itd be like shit those proverbial flies!!
w_skiercan someone explain to me how side jumping (fast enough to clear to top of the lip like even most gapers do) hurts the lip more then hitting it lipslide or urban on?
teamdummyI've come to the conclusion that i don't really give a shit about them. Does it really mess the jumps up that bad? As long as people are taking their turn and not snaking people or stopping in dangerous places......they can do whatever they want as far as I'm concerned.
Titsandwich11you will never get a good answer for this because one doesn't exist
i have been skiing all kinds of different parks since 2001, this simply isn't a real problem worth complaining about. the only actual problems that develop on lips (and landings) are having big ruts in the middle (and big berms on each shoulder of the jump) and that has nothing to do with people side jumping. in fact, people hitting that stuff diagonally might even help
bitch about gapers sitting in landings and shit, great, that's an actual safety problem. but side hitting is just such a non issue
theabortionatorI'll take a picture for you sometime.
Titsandwich11no hate or sarcarsm, please do. ill happily admit im wrong if i see something that changes my mind but im giong off 15 years of park skiing, everything from the country's best to the country's worst, and ive never seen something that made me resent side jumpers