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Should we accept REFUGEES?

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Rice
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Okay so I'm writing a speech which I have to hand in (I don't read it out), and I had chosen to write about refugees.

I'm Australian, but I'm sure you can relate to something similar.

What are your views/opinions on the matter? I really want to get a comprehensive view of what others think. I'm assuming most people here are more left wing orientated.

So NS, help me out please. Voice your opinion and why you think so. I'm predominantly talking about current refuges that are escaping conflict in the middle east.
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Mar 21 2016 6:23AM
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Jaggy_Snake
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Just throwing this in...


Mar 24 2016 7:55PM
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Campeador
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skiermanYeah, still doesn't counter my point being that the biggest threat comes from within the country, not from crazies hiding among the refugees.



They are equally a threat.
Mar 24 2016 8:49PM
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skierman
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CampeadorThey are equally a threat.


Except the people involved in these events are mostly, if not all made up of legal citizens or visitors, not refugees. Fuck off.
Mar 24 2016 9:05PM
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S.J.W
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Laurent."However the over whelming agreement between economists which don't pose any sort of agenda is that immigrants and refugees are good for the economy in the long run."

That's just plain BS, when the current situation over the past 100 years in the Netherlands has shown it hasn't. OECD is also not free of any bias, and that research from the CPB is essentially the Dutch government presenting the actual numbers. It is a part of the Ministry of Economic Affairs (Netherlands) and it delivers economic analysis and forecasts. It is operating independently. This means it does have a stable income but also does not have to follow the ministry.

No guesswork, no estimations, but the raw actual data proves that immigrants/refugees over here do not thrive.



All you do is say my references are shit but yours are the golden goose. That's no argumentation.


Did you miss the part where it;s 19 out of 20 European countries will benefit from refugees? Guess what that one country that won't benefit from refugees??? Boom you guessed it netherlands!!!!

But for the remaining European countries they will benefit from the refugees. I fail how you can't get this.

And no, your sources are shit because frontex is pretty anti immigration, and the other is shit because it didn't reference any of articles. Surely you learnt how to see if a source is reliable in your first year of uni...

Also, you claim that the majority of them are economic migrants. Well a study done by ODI found that if countries cut welfare that would not stop refugees.
Mar 24 2016 9:12PM
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Campeador
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Abu-BaghdadiAlso, you claim that the majority of them are economic migrants. Well a study done by ODI found that if countries cut welfare that would not stop refugees.


Really?

Then explain why they are going to the coldest, most miserable areas of Europe.

Why not stay in Greece? Or Turkey?
Mar 24 2016 10:09PM
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Campeador
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skiermanExcept the people involved in these events are mostly, if not all made up of legal citizens or visitors, not refugees. Fuck off.


There are plenty of rapists and murderers among the "refugees", the reports are coming out of Europe daily, don't play stupid.

Holy shit, it's skiierman!

Mar 24 2016 10:17PM
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S.J.W
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CampeadorReally?

Then explain why they are going to the coldest, most miserable areas of Europe.

Why not stay in Greece? Or Turkey?


I've already acknowledged that many of the are economic migrants. But just because they want a better life for themselves does not discredit the fact that they are fleeing from war. Europe has always had an attractive welfare, but can you explain why they're only fleeing their homes now? Surely you can see the correlation with how fucked their homes are and the mass migration you're currently seeing.
Mar 24 2016 10:19PM
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skierman
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CampeadorThere are plenty of rapists and murderers among the "refugees", the reports are coming out of Europe daily, don't play stupid.

Holy shit, it's skiierman!



Allah Akbar, mother fucker.
Mar 24 2016 10:23PM
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Campeador
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Abu-BaghdadiDid you miss the part where it;s 19 out of 20 European countries will benefit from refugees?


I trust what SJW says, he knows many of these refugees personally.

Mar 24 2016 10:23PM
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S.J.W
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CampeadorI trust what SJW says, he knows many of these refugees personally.



As a former member of IS as that picture clearly shows, I can reviel many secrets of IS life. Like that IS doesn't actually exist and that's funded by the American government to keep the perpetual military industrial complex to exist.
Mar 24 2016 10:28PM
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Campeador
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skiermanAllah Akbar, mother fucker.


Actually it's allahu akbar, I'm surprised at you!

Your family wants you home Ginger Jihadi.

Mar 24 2016 10:34PM
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skierman
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CampeadorActually it's allahu akbar, I'm surprised at you!

Your family wants you home Ginger Jihadi.



I'm never going home. You'd be surprised at how much ISIL pussy is thrown at me.
Mar 24 2016 11:32PM
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Campeador
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skiermanI'm never going home. You'd be surprised at how much ISIL pussy is thrown at me.



That's funny, I thought you were ISIL pussy.
Mar 25 2016 12:30AM
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AT-AT
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Jaggy_SnakeJust throwing this in...




I don't think you should use this to support your case.... an easy rebuttal being, "yeah look how that turned out for the natives."
Mar 25 2016 8:27AM
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Campeador
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Jaggy_SnakeJust throwing this in...


It's always cute watching white kids fret about the Native Americans. If you feel so bad, you should offer all your belongings to one, you know, in the interest of fairness and all.

It's this funny kind of fatalistic masochism among clueless leftist whites that they somehow deserve the vengeance of anyone non-white.

Absolutely pathetic.
Mar 25 2016 4:23PM
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skierman
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AT-ATI don't think you should use this to support your case.... an easy rebuttal being, "yeah look how that turned out for the natives."


Well yeah that's because the Native Americans were drunk or high on peyote.
Mar 25 2016 6:34PM
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