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Pivot Bindings Or Nah??

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Jibbz
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So I'm pretty much an all park skier, the only time I do trails is on the way to the park. Do you think I should get these pivot binding or just stick to normal park bindings.

http://www.evo.com/alpine-ski-bindings/look-pivot-14.aspx
Feb 13 2016 4:40PM
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Dddsz
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What do you mean "normal park bindings". Pivots are great for park, as long as they hold you to your skis and eject when they are supposed to.
Feb 13 2016 5:04PM
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cdip
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I had pivots on all my skis, they are god tier. I recently switched to STH just because they are lighter and they also are great.

Pivots literally have 0 cons, only ones I could maybe think of are you always have to move the binding with your hand to step in, or that you have to step on them to eject, too much work to use a pole.
Feb 13 2016 5:49PM
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junyawatanabe
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^ true mine are beat to shit cosmetically from stepping on them but they are really good bindings if you somehow haven't already heard through this site
Feb 13 2016 6:03PM
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oxiclean
Posts: 615 - Karma: 680
Pivots are pretty much all hype in my opinion. Bindings from any reputable company will ski pretty similarly.
Feb 13 2016 7:49PM
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3than0d311
Posts: 200 - Karma: 1,126
Pivots/fks bindings are by far the best. Only binding to have 4 points of contact on the toe piece and 25mm of travel in the heel piece before you pop out. I have Pivots on my blends and I will never stray from them or the FKS
Feb 13 2016 8:37PM
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Park.
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sagerobPivots are pretty much all hype in my opinion. Bindings from any reputable company will ski pretty similarly.


This is not true. Try using some Marker squires to some Marker Jesters. Huge difference right there. Now try comparing those jesters to STH's or Pivots. Every binding feels different if you have enough skiing under your belt. I can feel the difference between my fks 180 and 140s since they are on the same exact model ski and while there is minimal difference, I can definitely notice it. I will say that every binding from a reputable company will be good if you get their high-end models. Its all about preference when you get past the 12 din bindings.
Feb 13 2016 8:38PM
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soupcan
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The pros to fks/pivot bindings is the elasticity in the heel piece I am not going to deny that by any means. However, they are a bit heavier than a sth, griffon or attack. Their brakes are prone to breaking, a pain in the ass to get new ones and are not exactly the easiest thing to replace but the rest of the binding is very durable. Realistically you should be fine in any of those bindings as you have to be a large aggressive skier to break a 13 din binding (not to say it's impossible). Also there is a stickied thread about asking binding questions that I would recommend reading before you make your decision.
Feb 13 2016 8:56PM
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mikeystark
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Pivots are great but a little on the heavy side and slightly overhyped. Their main selling point like mentioned above is the amount of elastic heel travel. I personally prefer tyrolia attacks, super low stack height, lightweight, and very durable.
Feb 13 2016 9:26PM
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oxiclean
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parkplaygroundThis is not true. Try using some Marker squires to some Marker Jesters. Huge difference right there. Now try comparing those jesters to STH's or Pivots.


Sorry should have been more specific. Most bindings in the same price and/or din range will ski similarly, not the same. Choose pivots because you like them and not because of the hype.
Feb 13 2016 10:37PM
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Negromancer
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cdipPivots literally have 0 cons


Not true.
Pivots have brakes that will bend if you ride park and if you break them it will cost you $75 for a new brake, and the brakes are a pain in the ass to replace.

They also lack adjustment compared to other newer bindings so if you change boot sizes then there is a good chance you'll have to remount them. Getting the forward pressure correct on Pivots is not nearly as easy as it is on other bindings.

The pivoting heel can be really annoying sometimes especially in powder.
Feb 13 2016 10:48PM
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cdip
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NegromancerNot true.
Pivots have brakes that will bend if you ride park and if you break them it will cost you $75 for a new brake, and the brakes are a pain in the ass to replace.

They also lack adjustment compared to other newer bindings so if you change boot sizes then there is a good chance you'll have to remount them. Getting the forward pressure correct on Pivots is not nearly as easy as it is on other bindings.

The pivoting heel can be really annoying sometimes especially in powder.


Im very aggressive with my pivots and have never had a brake related problem ever.

I was also able to move them back a size and up a size without remounting.
Feb 13 2016 11:54PM
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Deepskier
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Pivots and fks are amazing /thread
Feb 14 2016 12:08PM
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supersquid
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geib^ true mine are beat to shit cosmetically from stepping on them but they are really good bindings if you somehow haven't already heard through this site


they are heavier than some bindings as well
Feb 14 2016 11:18PM
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kung_powpow
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DeepskierPivots and fks are amazing /thread


Until you destroy the expensive, hard to find brakes...
Feb 15 2016 5:09PM
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Deepskier
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kung_powpowUntil you destroy the expensive, hard to find brakes...


Thenn send them in for the warranty
Feb 15 2016 10:37PM
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Blake.P
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DeepskierThenn send them in for the warranty


So then you have to take off your heel piece and not be able to use those skis until they get back from Rossi? Nah, I'll pass
Feb 16 2016 3:32AM
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Deepskier
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Blake.PSo then you have to take off your heel piece and not be able to use those skis until they get back from Rossi? Nah, I'll pass


Go to your shop and get some have some extras on hand or take some off skis you don't use.
Feb 16 2016 12:14PM
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Blake.P
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DeepskierGo to your shop and get some have some extras on hand or take some off skis you don't use.


You think shops are just gonna have extra heel pieces lying around that they'll lend out? Or that I would have a extra set of pivots that I can swap around. Regardless too, fixing a brake involves removing the entire heel piece, even if I did have extra parts I wouldn't want to be remounting my heels all the time
Feb 16 2016 1:05PM
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nutz.
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Blake.PYou think shops are just gonna have extra heel pieces lying around that they'll lend out? Or that I would have a extra set of pivots that I can swap around. Regardless too, fixing a brake involves removing the entire heel piece, even if I did have extra parts I wouldn't want to be remounting my heels all the time


to be fair, my shop gives me heel pieces/brakes for cost (i think it's around 30).

But yeah the remounting is an issue. The only real way around it is quiver killers
Feb 16 2016 1:37PM
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Deepskier
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Blake.PYou think shops are just gonna have extra heel pieces lying around that they'll lend out? Or that I would have a extra set of pivots that I can swap around. Regardless too, fixing a brake involves removing the entire heel piece, even if I did have extra parts I wouldn't want to be remounting my heels all the time


The one time i broke mine i just got one from my local shop and I'm saying if you have some on thrasher skis swap em and it takes 5 minutes to switch em out
Feb 16 2016 8:45PM
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Pole-Less
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Pivot bindings are amazing, worth the money, and you can feel the difference controlling the ski with pivots vs a regular ski
Feb 16 2016 11:08PM
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SLEEK
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jah man. gets the turntables and you'll never go back.
Feb 19 2016 9:51AM
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Park.
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While I am a pivots fan, I just bought a pair of these bad larrys and I have to say, I am excited to try them out


They have alot more metal than the 16 version and I keep breaking my pivot heelpieces so I decided it was time to invest when I saw the deal they had them on.
Feb 19 2016 7:20PM
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Park.
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parkplaygroundWhile I am a pivots fan, I just bought a pair of these bad larrys and I have to say, I am excited to try them out


They have alot more metal than the 16 version and I keep breaking my pivot heelpieces so I decided it was time to invest when I saw the deal they had them on.

Update: I'm never going to buy pivots again if I have the choice of these. I'm amazed at how much I like those bindings
Feb 21 2016 10:30AM
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Tappie
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parkplaygroundUpdate: I'm never going to buy pivots again if I have the choice of these. I'm amazed at how much I like those bindings


Nice, but which version are these if they're not the 16's?

For pivots I gotta say nah... Sure they ski great, but with my last pair of 14's the breaks broke within a week, making the heel piece almost useless and a hassle to fix. I don't think its worth it if you compare them to other quality bindings.
Feb 21 2016 2:41PM
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Park.
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TappieNice, but which version are these if they're not the 16's?

For pivots I gotta say nah... Sure they ski great, but with my last pair of 14's the breaks broke within a week, making the heel piece almost useless and a hassle to fix. I don't think its worth it if you compare them to other quality bindings.


18x's
Feb 21 2016 5:13PM
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nutz.
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TappieNice, but which version are these if they're not the 16's?

For pivots I gotta say nah... Sure they ski great, but with my last pair of 14's the breaks broke within a week, making the heel piece almost useless and a hassle to fix. I don't think its worth it if you compare them to other quality bindings.


They're attack 18x's, I'm pretty sure they're like 520 bucks or something like that though, although you could probably get em for 400 now with the end of season sales and stuff
Feb 21 2016 7:37PM
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Park.
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nutz.They're attack 18x's, I'm pretty sure they're like 520 bucks or something like that though, although you could probably get em for 400 now with the end of season sales and stuff


I got them for 280 and I saw it as an investment instead of a regular purchase
Feb 21 2016 9:07PM
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jackdonovan
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only cons for me with the pivots/fks is hiking with them sucks (depending on snow conditions), the brakes are a huge hassle if they break, and when you eject having to push the heelpiece down with your hand. everything else about them i love and i feel like i have a cleaner release than my griffons and z10s.
Feb 21 2016 10:14PM
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