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Shop set each ski to different DIN?

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Peter.
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so the shops in this area aren't the greatest, and i brought my skis in to get the bindings set to a smaller boot, and they tweaked the DINs for me. now, the two skis are different numbers. not sure if this is normal, but just checking because this shop has messed up stuff before. also, after getting knee surgery i'm a little paranoid about the settings on my bindings being right.

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Jan 7 2016 4:35PM
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Peter.
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should i just correct it to the right number myself? or bring them to a second shop to look at?
Jan 7 2016 4:35PM
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onenerdykid
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How differently are they set? It is common for toes and heels to be .5 to 1.0 different. And since your bindings are not new, this could very well account for it. Did they give you the binding test paperwork when you picked up the skis? That should detail the setting for each engine (toe, heel) and the torque value of each given your height, weight, age, and boot sole length.
Jan 7 2016 4:53PM
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Peter.
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onenerdykidHow differently are they set? It is common for toes and heels to be .5 to 1.0 different. And since your bindings are not new, this could very well account for it. Did they give you the binding test paperwork when you picked up the skis? That should detail the setting for each engine (toe, heel) and the torque value of each given your height, weight, age, and boot sole length.


they gave me no paperwork for any binding tests. the bindings are still relatively new (skied 2 times). both of the heel pieces are set to 9.5ish, and one toe is at an 8.5ish and one is at a 10
Jan 7 2016 5:08PM
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bait
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Peter.they gave me no paperwork for any binding tests. the bindings are still relatively new (skied 2 times). both of the heel pieces are set to 9.5ish, and one toe is at an 8.5ish and one is at a 10


The man who set those dins was not smart. he messed it up. go see another shop, because that sounds way off, and you dont want to get re-injured because of a dumb mistake. I recently had a femur injury and set my dins one below what the shop recomended for safety.
Jan 7 2016 5:21PM
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Peter.
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baitThe man who set those dins was not smart. he messed it up. go see another shop, because that sounds way off, and you dont want to get re-injured because of a dumb mistake. I recently had a femur injury and set my dins one below what the shop recomended for safety.


yeah, that's what i'm gonna do. i think im gonna go back to the original shop and ask for money back too or something. i know i'm probably being a little paranoid but i don't want my knee messed up again because of something dumb like this
Jan 7 2016 5:29PM
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bait
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Peter.yeah, that's what i'm gonna do. i think im gonna go back to the original shop and ask for money back too or something. i know i'm probably being a little paranoid but i don't want my knee messed up again because of something dumb like this


You could easily sue him if you wanted to. its completely illegal to set dins incorectly.
Jan 7 2016 5:31PM
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onenerdykid
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Peter.yeah, that's what i'm gonna do. i think im gonna go back to the original shop and ask for money back too or something. i know i'm probably being a little paranoid but i don't want my knee messed up again because of something dumb like this


baitYou could easily sue him if you wanted to. its completely illegal to set dins incorectly.


Just because the DINs are not set equally it does not mean that the DINs are set incorrectly.

Peter, go back, show them the different settings, and ask to see the release paperwork. They "need" to have this for legal reasons and should be able to explain the situation. If they cannot do this, then ask for a refund and go elsewhere.
Jan 7 2016 5:44PM
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Peter.
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onenerdykidJust because the DINs are not set equally it does not mean that the DINs are set incorrectly.

Peter, go back, show them the different settings, and ask to see the release paperwork. They "need" to have this for legal reasons and should be able to explain the situation. If they cannot do this, then ask for a refund and go elsewhere.



thanks for the tips, i'm definitely going to do that this weekend.
Jan 7 2016 6:37PM
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Peter.
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onenerdykidJust because the DINs are not set equally it does not mean that the DINs are set incorrectly.

Peter, go back, show them the different settings, and ask to see the release paperwork. They "need" to have this for legal reasons and should be able to explain the situation. If they cannot do this, then ask for a refund and go elsewhere.


sorry for the double post, but is there anything specific i should look for in the release paperwork? i think im going to ask to see it for both pairs of skis i had done there just to be safe.
Jan 7 2016 6:52PM
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onenerdykid
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Peter.sorry for the double post, but is there anything specific i should look for in the release paperwork? i think im going to ask to see it for both pairs of skis i had done there just to be safe.


Generally speaking, your DIN setting is based on a torque value. There is a torque range that you are allowed to be in and if the binding tests outside of that range, it fails. The paperwork should indicate what the torque values are, and (in theory) the engines (toe & heel pieces) should be very similar, even if the "DIN number" is different. The key thing to get right is the torque value.
Jan 7 2016 7:27PM
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Peter.
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onenerdykidGenerally speaking, your DIN setting is based on a torque value. There is a torque range that you are allowed to be in and if the binding tests outside of that range, it fails. The paperwork should indicate what the torque values are, and (in theory) the engines (toe & heel pieces) should be very similar, even if the "DIN number" is different. The key thing to get right is the torque value.


Perfect. Thanks a ton for all the help, I'll head back to the shop this weekend and see what the deal was
Jan 8 2016 12:41AM
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SammyDubz
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baitYou could easily sue him if you wanted to. its completely illegal to set dins incorectly.


Yea. Great fucking idea. Sue a ski shop because they messed up your DIN setting...
Jan 8 2016 8:47AM
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Dddsz
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onenerdykidthe torque value of each given your height, weight, age, and boot sole length.


Sorry for thread jack, but why is age a factor? I'm just curious.

What if a 40 year old is absolutely throwing down or a 7 year old rips really hard for his age? I know they ask what level skier you are, but I don't understand why shops ask for age. An old man could have a young body for all we know.
Jan 8 2016 9:22AM
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onenerdykid
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Op.Sorry for thread jack, but why is age a factor? I'm just curious.

What if a 40 year old is absolutely throwing down or a 7 year old rips really hard for his age? I know they ask what level skier you are, but I don't understand why shops ask for age. An old man could have a young body for all we know.


The age question affects those who are 9 or under and 50 or over, and it is means your binding will be set to a lower setting. And it is merely a matter of legal probability that such people tend to be less aggressive skiers and will generally benefit from a binding with a lower release value. There are of course exemptions to this and therefore waivers one can sign to get out of it.
Jan 8 2016 9:40AM
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Peter.
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onenerdykidThe age question affects those who are 9 or under and 50 or over, and it is means your binding will be set to a lower setting. And it is merely a matter of legal probability that such people tend to be less aggressive skiers and will generally benefit from a binding with a lower release value. There are of course exemptions to this and therefore waivers one can sign to get out of it.


there are also probably medical reasons behind it, your bones at 50+ are not the same as your bones at 20
Jan 8 2016 9:49AM
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onenerdykid
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Peter.there are also probably medical reasons behind it, your bones at 50+ are not the same as your bones at 20


Exactly, and the lawyers think you will be a less aggressive skier because of it.
Jan 8 2016 9:56AM
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