Full tilt boot work

baggis123I've got the full tilt descendant 6 and have a bit of pressure on the inner ankle. Is it possible to get them stretched in this area?

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Bring it into a shop, they'll heat it up and punch it out

OP, you definitely need to make sure you have a supportive footbed first. Without a footbed, your foot naturally falls into this portion of the shell. So, it is highly likely that using a supportive footbed will alone solve the issue, as it will not allow your ankle to travel inwards toward the medial side of the shell.

Furthermore, if you stretch this area and do not have a supportive footbed keeping your foot in place, then your ankle/navicular will fall into the space that was made. Stretching without having a footbed is rarely successful because it does not solve the problem at its source.

So you should proceed in this order:
1. Get a supportive footbed to stabilize your flexible foot so it cannot fall into the shell due to its own movement
2. If that on its own does not solve the problem, then have your boot-fitter modify the shell in the area that hurts

onenerdykidOP, you definitely need to make sure you have a supportive footbed first. Without a footbed, your foot naturally falls into this portion of the shell. So, it is highly likely that using a supportive footbed will alone solve the issue, as it will not allow your ankle to travel inwards toward the medial side of the shell.

Furthermore, if you stretch this area and do not have a supportive footbed keeping your foot in place, then your ankle/navicular will fall into the space that was made. Stretching without having a footbed is rarely successful because it does not solve the problem at its source.

So you should proceed in this order:
1. Get a supportive footbed to stabilize your flexible foot so it cannot fall into the shell due to its own movement
2. If that on its own does not solve the problem, then have your boot-fitter modify the shell in the area that hurts

ive tried putting in a footbed that isnt a custom one but it meant i didnt have enough room on top of my foot. are customs better in terms of space they take up?

baggis123ive tried putting in a footbed that isnt a custom one but it meant i didnt have enough room on top of my foot. are customs better in terms of space they take up?

For starters, you will always want to have your liners remolded when you add footbeds. Footbeds will realign your foot and its position in the liner, so in order to fit properly a remold should happen. At this time, the boot-fitter can also pad certain areas of your foot to create space in certain areas.

Secondly, a custom footbed will always be the best solution because it will be fully tailored to not only your foot but also to your boot. It can be made as thin or thick as needed.

onenerdykidFor starters, you will always want to have your liners remolded when you add footbeds. Footbeds will realign your foot and its position in the liner, so in order to fit properly a remold should happen. At this time, the boot-fitter can also pad certain areas of your foot to create space in certain areas.

Secondly, a custom footbed will always be the best solution because it will be fully tailored to not only your foot but also to your boot. It can be made as thin or thick as needed.

Question for you...

How suitable are Full-Tilts for a foot-bed? I was "fitted" for some SureFoot foot-beds at the end of last season as a solution to some serious pain I was having with my Wallisch Pro boots (now on their fourth season). Basically, I had issues where compression would cause my arch to flatten, both shoving my toes into the front of my boot and causing my metatarsal to splay into the sides of the shell. Seeing as it is hard to find a shop that will make a truly custom insert, this was the convenient solution. With that said, it crammed my foot into the boot both in terms of width & instep height, and lasted hardly longer than two or three runs. The boots already have a thick, shock absorbing "foot-bed" below the liner that makes it very difficult to find a comfortable solution.

BenWhitQuestion for you...

How suitable are Full-Tilts for a foot-bed? I was "fitted" for some SureFoot foot-beds at the end of last season as a solution to some serious pain I was having with my Wallisch Pro boots (now on their fourth season). Basically, I had issues where compression would cause my arch to flatten, both shoving my toes into the front of my boot and causing my metatarsal to splay into the sides of the shell. Seeing as it is hard to find a shop that will make a truly custom insert, this was the convenient solution. With that said, it crammed my foot into the boot both in terms of width & instep height, and lasted hardly longer than two or three runs. The boots already have a thick, shock absorbing "foot-bed" below the liner that makes it very difficult to find a comfortable solution.

Full Tilt liners aren't fantastic (as they can be quite thick underfoot) but they aren't necessarily bad either. The foam underfoot usually compresses during heat molding, which is definitely something you should get done whenever new footbeds are introduced to the setup. If you aren't in an overly down-sized shell, then it shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Where I am more suspicious is in regards to the Sure Foot footbeds. I find them to be quite thick and not necessarily great at supporting feet (they sometimes cause more problems than they solve). Without seeing your foot & footbed combo it is hard to say for sure, but I would put money on them not being the best solution for you.

onenerdykidFull Tilt liners aren't fantastic (as they can be quite thick underfoot) but they aren't necessarily bad either. The foam underfoot usually compresses during heat molding, which is definitely something you should get done whenever new footbeds are introduced to the setup. If you aren't in an overly down-sized shell, then it shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Where I am more suspicious is in regards to the Sure Foot footbeds. I find them to be quite thick and not necessarily great at supporting feet (they sometimes cause more problems than they solve). Without seeing your foot & footbed combo it is hard to say for sure, but I would put money on them not being the best solution for you.

I think you're probably right. I was looking for an immediate patch-work solution before heading out west for a week-long trip. In fact, I think the shop I originally purchased the boots from wanted to sell me the boots more than I wanted to buy them. I am moving to a Nordica Three Star this year, will likely go to a fully custom footbed, so hopefully my issues will be solved.

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onenerdykidFor starters, you will always want to have your liners remolded when you add footbeds. Footbeds will realign your foot and its position in the liner, so in order to fit properly a remold should happen. At this time, the boot-fitter can also pad certain areas of your foot to create space in certain areas.

Secondly, a custom footbed will always be the best solution because it will be fully tailored to not only your foot but also to your boot. It can be made as thin or thick as needed.

when i wear the boots i can feel pressure specifically on the top of my foot and also on that inside ankle area. and do you mean if i get custom footbeds the liners would need remolding or the shell? and how aggressive should the fit be on a freestyle boot?

baggis123when i wear the boots i can feel pressure specifically on the top of my foot and also on that inside ankle area. and do you mean if i get custom footbeds the liners would need remolding or the shell? and how aggressive should the fit be on a freestyle boot?

You should have the shell checked and at least the liner re-molded. How aggressive the shell should fit is up to you and your subjective definition of what constitutes comfort, but no larger than a 2cm shell fit behind the heel. Kids who grew up racing (like me) tend to like a 1-1.5cm shell fit and anything bigger simply feels huge. It just depends on what you like and what works for you within a certain range.

onenerdykidYou should have the shell checked and at least the liner re-molded. How aggressive the shell should fit is up to you and your subjective definition of what constitutes comfort, but no larger than a 2cm shell fit behind the heel. Kids who grew up racing (like me) tend to like a 1-1.5cm shell fit and anything bigger simply feels huge. It just depends on what you like and what works for you within a certain range.

sorry to bother you again. but when checking the shell my inside ankle is fully against the side of the shell, with a fair bit of pressure would you still recommend the same things?

baggis123sorry to bother you again. but when checking the shell my inside ankle is fully against the side of the shell, with a fair bit of pressure would you still recommend the same things?

Same thing happens in my boots, when I do a shell check my ankles touch the side of the boot but when I put my liners and footbeds in there isn't any issue with ankle pressure.

The sample advice would still apply I believe provided the boots are the correct size (how much space was there between your heel and the back of the boot?), a custom footbed along with a remould should help position and support your feet properly and hopefully once your feet are in the correct position in the boot you shouldn't have issues with pressure on the ankle.

If still after you have had custom footbeds and remoulded the liner you have pressure on the ankle then look at getting some streches done.

Also what socks are you using in your boots? Make sure you use a thin ski sock, don't use thick socks, they take up too much room and can reduce blood circulation to your feet.

NegromancerSame thing happens in my boots, when I do a shell check my ankles touch the side of the boot but when I put my liners and footbeds in there isn't any issue with ankle pressure.

The sample advice would still apply I believe provided the boots are the correct size (how much space was there between your heel and the back of the boot?), a custom footbed along with a remould should help position and support your feet properly and hopefully once your feet are in the correct position in the boot you shouldn't have issues with pressure on the ankle.

If still after you have had custom footbeds and remoulded the liner you have pressure on the ankle then look at getting some streches done.

Also what socks are you using in your boots? Make sure you use a thin ski sock, don't use thick socks, they take up too much room and can reduce blood circulation to your feet.

thanks il take them to the shop and get see what they think as well. yeah but i use thin socks all the time. Im just worried about getting footbeds in these boots because they dont have a foot bed initially and there will be a bit of pressure on top of my foot.