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A lion named Cecil in Zimbabwe's Hwange National Park who was a huge attraction to visitors was just killed recently.
Turns out it was done by an American dentist named Walter Palmer who paid $50,000 to the right people to illegally shoot the animal.
As someone who hunts I see this dude and trophy hunters like him as scum, killing endangered animals (like a rhino he shot not too long ago) just for fun.
Here's the lion he killed:
If he's anyone's dentist in Minnesota you should hit him where it hurts by finding a new dentist.
milk_manAs someone who hunts and fishes, I believe we need to treat all animal species with respect. If the deer population is running low, we need to hunt less deer. If a certain lake is running out of walleye, we need to fish other lakes. And I also believe that if you kill an animal, you need to eat it. I don't see the point in killing lions. I'm sure if I lived in the African wilderness I would not feel bad about killing lions that would threaten me--but to kill them for no reason doesn't make any sense. It shouldn't surprise us though. Hunting rare species has been a hobby of rich people for a loooooonng time.
But still, my main point is that this man's life should not be ruined over killing Cecil. Sure, he should face whatever consequences that are coming and I hope they aren't too ridiculous.. But the amount of death threats and people protesting outside his business and even outside his HOUSE is absurd and wrong.
His ignorance, or known wrongdoings brought those consequences upon him. It may not be right for people to send death threats and ruin him, but they do it anyways. He's facing the consequences of his own actions which could have been avoided simply by doin more research and not killing a fan favorite and studied lion, or just not have gone and donated 50k to charity and get his name on a plaque. But he chose to do the things he did and this is the reaponse, no matter how far it has gone.
milk_manAs someone who hunts and fishes, I believe we need to treat all animal species with respect. If the deer population is running low, we need to hunt less deer. If a certain lake is running out of walleye, we need to fish other lakes. And I also believe that if you kill an animal, you need to eat it. I don't see the point in killing lions. I'm sure if I lived in the African wilderness I would not feel bad about killing lions that would threaten me--but to kill them for no reason doesn't make any sense. It shouldn't surprise us though. Hunting rare species has been a hobby of rich people for a loooooonng time.
But still, my main point is that this man's life should not be ruined over killing Cecil. Sure, he should face whatever consequences that are coming and I hope they aren't too ridiculous.. But the amount of death threats and people protesting outside his business and even outside his HOUSE is absurd and wrong.
Very true- I think the violent suggestions of the internet/mob mentality are for sure over-the-top and uncalled for. Especially those to his family (who were not even involved with the whole debacle) and coworkers (not sure if there have been, but I would assume some wacko would at least suggest it). However, non-violent protests though are within everyone's right and if someone wants to do that they should be able to. I also think that he should be legally punished, and personally I wish it could be to the fullest extent possible.
More than 100,000 African elephants were killed for their tusks during a three-year period, reflecting persistent demand for illegal ivory that threatens the pachyderms' long-term survival, a conservation study reported this week.
At the pace elephants are being slain, their birth rates are unable to replenish the species, which will lead to population decline, according to the findings published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.
The study report was written by Colorado State University professor George Wittemyer with conservationist colleagues from Save the Elephants, Kenya Wildlife Service and the Convention on the International Trade in Endangered Species.
Among the most disturbing findings of the study was the soaring rate of illegal elephant deaths versus deaths by natural causes, the scientists said.
"Over the last decade, the proportion of illegally killed elephants has climbed from 25% to 60-70%," said the report.
Researchers compiled the data based on precise monitoring of several elephant populations, like northern Kenya's Samburu National Rreserve, where every elephant birth and death over the last 16 years has been recorded, Save the Elephants said in a press report on the study.
The dynamics recorded at the closely monitored sites were then extrapolated across African elephant populations, the scientists reported.
Among the more alarming findings, the researchers said, was the decline in the elephant population at Tanzania's Selous Game Reserve, where the number dropped from 40,000 to 13,000 during the 2010-2012 period studied.
Study co-author Iain Douglas-Hamilton said a reliable estimate of the continent's elephant population is extremely difficult but accepts an often-cited figure of 400,000 as a reasonable guestimate.
"It's a complex situation for elephants across Africa, with some populations — such as in Botswana — still increasing," the Save the Elephants founder said. "History has taught us that numbers alone are no defense against attrition from the illegal ivory trade."
Elephant poaching is on the rise again after a fairly successful campaign against it aimed at Japanese consumers in the 1970s, Douglas-Hamilton said. The study pointed to the voracious demand for ivory now coming from China.
The Kenyan government last week announced that it was creating a wildlife forensics laboratory to aid in the collection of evidence against poachers. Kenya Wildlife Service Director William Kiprono said that more than 1,300 rangers will be added to guard the reserves by the end of October.
China's ambassador to Kenya, Liu Xianfa, said his government was also bolstering the fight against elephant killings with a donation of anti-poaching equipment for the Kenya reserves and investment in public education in his homeland to warn Chinese of the consequences of buying illegal ivory.
"Wildlife crimes are a cross-border menace," Liu was quoted as saying by Kenya's Capital FM news service.
Tackling the conservation challenge at its economic roots is necessary, the study noted, as black market ivory prices have tripled in less than five years.
"The current demand for ivory is unsustainable. That is our overarching conclusion," said Douglas-Hamilton. "It must come down. Otherwise the elephants will continue to decrease."
californiagrownI never said that, you're making it up.
And the dude wwas fishing without a license? Haha are you also gonna bring up the time he got a parking ticket?
You're on a witch hunt.
You called me a liar and you're forgetting about the time he lied to a federal agent about hunting outside his permit zone which he faced probation for. If you lied once and got charged with hunting outside a permit zone what's to stop him from doing it again. He literally has a prior that he was convicted for the same exact thing.
Cliff Notes: Most Zimbabweans don't give a fuck, only sheltered Americans and Europeans pretebd to care.
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"Are you saying that all this noise is about a dead lion? Lions are killed all the time in this country," said Tryphina Kaseke, a used-clothes hawker on the streets of Harare. "What is so special about this one?"
"Why are the Americans more concerned than us?" said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father-of-two cleaning his car in the center of the capital. "We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange."
lol
basically, if your response to this was anything more than "oh what an asshole," you're kind of a bitch.
nocturnalYou called me a liar and you're forgetting about the time he lied to a federal agent about hunting outside his permit zone which he faced probation for. If you lied once and got charged with hunting outside a permit zone what's to stop him from doing it again. He literally has a prior that he was convicted for the same exact thing.
That's because you are a liar.
Past crimes aren't proof of current ones. You're on a witch hunt, cherry picking info to suit your POV.
nocturnalYou called me a liar and you're forgetting about the time he lied to a federal agent about hunting outside his permit zone which he faced probation for. If you lied once and got charged with hunting outside a permit zone what's to stop him from doing it again. He literally has a prior that he was convicted for the same exact thing.
He also killed a mule deer in Alberta................. The plot thickens
I think they would be as well, if the Cecil the lion was substituted out and replaced with a elephant of similar re-pour and all other elements the same. Part of the hooplah about why people are angry are the details of the killing:
1. Cecil being a safari favorite and relatively calm lion that attracted a lot of attention
2. How the rich, American dentist lured him off protected land so he could more legally kill him
3. That the dentist used a bow and arrow to kill him, which caused more suffering and pain as a result
If those same factors were a part of an elephant being killed, I am sure people will have a similar reaction.
cobra_commanderCliff Notes: Most Zimbabweans don't give a fuck, only sheltered Americans and Europeans pretebd to care.
But this same thing happens in America too when some sort of unfortunate tragedy happens here- many people are indifferent to the problems of others', especially a nation with much larger problems to worry about (such as their quoted 80% unemployment rate), and it doesn't make it less right to be upset by it. It also just goes to show that many people in such countries are uneducated to the negative environmental, health, economic, and social problems that poaching/illegal hunting can cause in their own country.
onenerdykidBut this same thing happens in America too when some sort of unfortunate tragedy happens here- many people are indifferent to the problems of others', especially a nation with much larger problems to worry about (such as their quoted 80% unemployment rate), and it doesn't make it less right to be upset by it. It also just goes to show that many people in such countries are uneducated to the negative environmental, health, economic, and social problems that poaching/illegal hunting can cause in their own country.
80% unemployment.. damn! I wonder if they're willing to make Ipads for pennies an hour? We can make them our new slaves
californiagrownYou don't think bow hunting a lion is hunting it?
No. Sitting in a mechanical vehicle while luring a tame lion is not hunting it with a bow in the sense of you walk into the habitat with your bow and go find yourself a lion to kill. Personally I don't care how you hunt, but I don't get the allure of this type of hunting. Its just embarrassing. If he's doing it this way he should have just gone and used a rifle.
Its hard for me to explain but this isn't something I would brag about and I support hunting. Its like getting MVP because your dads the coach or something. Or you just paid someone to make up an award for you. Or like getting dropped off by helicopter at the peak of a mountain to climb maybe .5 miles of it and brag about how you climbed the mountain.
And to countless others in this thread saying a human life matters more, where does that apply? He didn't kill the lion in self defense or something. Nobody is saying the lion is worth more than a human. Just that he shouldn't have killed it. And don't confuse me for the nuts protesting at his house.
WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT HOW MUCH OF A SHITHOLE ZIMBABWE IS BUT THE FUCKING LION OMGAOSIHFA"OSIBFAIUGFHAOISBCIUASBFAJSBFIUBG:BIUSDCIJBASIFJB
get over yourselves
Yeah because all you guys have cared all this time about the current state of Zimbabwe. Give me a break. At least lion people aren't pretending to care about it like a lot of you.
SKI.INGYeah because all you guys have cared all this time about the current state of Zimbabwe. Give me a break. At least lion people aren't pretending to care about it like a lot of you.
I actually do give a lot of fucks about the african nations but either way...
my point is, if people want to make an uproar about animals being treated unjustly come down to central america and see some of the fucked up zoos there, and in america for that matter too. polar bears in 90 degree heat every day without any water. Tigers with no trees or camouflage. That actually does piss me off. I'm not condoning what this guy did, but the fact that people are willing to get in an uproar over a lion that would have probably been poached the next day by some DRC terrorists is just beyond me.
SKI.INGAnd to countless others in this thread saying a human life matters more, where does that apply? He didn't kill the lion in self defense or something. Nobody is saying the lion is worth more than a human. Just that he shouldn't have killed it. And don't confuse me for the nuts protesting at his house.
It applies in argument against the protestors who are calling for his death and the death of his family. Many animal rights/animal liberation people morally equate human life and non-human animal life, and therefore, in their opinion, he should be killed as punishment. So in that regard, people are making the counter argument that human lives are more important than animal lives, and thus not morally equal. Some people were taking it a step further and because of we are not morally equal saying "who cares, it's a lion, we can kill it if we want to".
SKI.INGNo. Sitting in a mechanical vehicle while luring a tame lion is not hunting it with a bow in the sense of you walk into the habitat with your bow and go find yourself a lion to kill. Personally I don't care how you hunt, but I don't get the allure of this type of hunting. Its just embarrassing. If he's doing it this way he should have just gone and used a rifle.
Its hard for me to explain but this isn't something I would brag about and I support hunting. Its like getting MVP because your dads the coach or something. Or you just paid someone to make up an award for you. Or like getting dropped off by helicopter at the peak of a mountain to climb maybe .5 miles of it and brag about how you climbed the mountain.
And to countless others in this thread saying a human life matters more, where does that apply? He didn't kill the lion in self defense or something. Nobody is saying the lion is worth more than a human. Just that he shouldn't have killed it. And don't confuse me for the nuts protesting at his house.
Bow hunting takes skill to get close enough, more skill because it takes a nearly perfect kill shot, and balls because a non kill shot has the animal coming after you a lot of the time.
Even with a rifle these are big, dangerous animals that are very skittish. It takes more balls, skill, and money to big ge hunt.
And if baiting the lion is your issue, you must also have an issue with duck calls, duck decoys, deer musk, blinds and pretty much every type of hunting out there haha. You aren't trying to scare the animal away haha.
californiagrownBow hunting takes skill to get close enough, more skill because it takes a nearly perfect kill shot, and balls because a non kill shot has the animal coming after you a lot of the time.
Even with a rifle these are big, dangerous animals that are very skittish. It takes more balls, skill, and money to big ge hunt.
And if baiting the lion is your issue, you must also have an issue with duck calls, duck decoys, deer musk, blinds and pretty much every type of hunting out there haha. You aren't trying to scare the animal away haha.
http://imgur.com/gallery/7wYi5 strait skill it also helps when you do it at night with a piece of meat tied to a car and then blinding it with a light before you shoot it.
Also you can't just sweep is prior crimes under the rug when he literally did the exact same thing 2 years ago, and hunted outside the boundaries of his permit, that should be taken into account. Huge fallacy to say I'm cherry-picking crimes he committed.
This whole lion being killed hype is another example of the media dictating to the public what issues to focus on! Don't let the media decide what issues are important! Stop falling for their games!
nocturnalhttp://imgur.com/gallery/7wYi5 strait skill it also helps when you do it at night with a piece of meat tied to a car and then blinding it with a light before you shoot it.
Also you can't just sweep is prior crimes under the rug when he literally did the exact same thing 2 years ago, and hunted outside the boundaries of his permit, that should be taken into account. Huge fallacy to say I'm cherry-picking crimes he committed.
Hahaha that source is ridiculous. Lions are cats kinda like how eolves are dogs. Don't fuck with , they aren't house pets.
You mentioned he fished without a license at one time lol! You cherry pick and then deny deny deny.
You seem to not understand how normal deer and duck hunting goes. You do always try and lure the animal to your area.
californiagrownHahaha that source is ridiculous. Lions are cats kinda like how eolves are dogs. Don't fuck with , they aren't house pets.
You mentioned he fished without a license at one time lol! You cherry pick and then deny deny deny.
You seem to not understand how normal deer and duck hunting goes. You do always try and lure the animal to your area.
You're literally cherry picking one of three examples that I stated. Yes fishing without a license is extraordinarily trivial, but I think from his other priors including this one, you keep bringing up. It shows he really doesn't respect the laws when it comes to hunting. you keep ignoring the one big one and not addressing it..... if he's not going to follow the laws in his own country I highly doubt he's going to be ethical and follow foreign laws when it comes to hunting.
nocturnalYou're literally cherry picking one of three examples that I stated. Yes fishing without a license is extraordinarily trivial, but I think from his other priors including this one, you keep bringing up. It shows he really doesn't respect the laws when it comes to hunting. you keep ignoring the one big one and not addressing it..... if he's not going to follow the laws in his own country I highly doubt he's going to be ethical and follow foreign laws when it comes to hunting.
What was the spefic permit he had, and what was the specific reason he was deemed to have not had the correct one? What is the full background on that citation?
If you don't know the whole story, you shouldn't be so assured of guilt... Or innocence.
californiagrownWhat was the spefic permit he had, and what was the specific reason he was deemed to have not had the correct one? What is the full background on that citation?
If you don't know the whole story, you shouldn't be so assured of guilt... Or innocence.
What are you even trying to say he was forty miles away from where he was supposed to hunt. Not 5 or a few miles 40 miles away, then he thought he could get away with it by lying to a federal agent about where he shot and killed it. There's court records of that I have no idea what you're talking about. That prior incident which he got probation for definitely shows his character when it comes to hunting. I don't know why you're trying to sweep that under the rug and pretend it didn't happen. Do we know for sure no not 100%, but it really looks like he's in the wrong if he really did nothing wrong. From the evidence presented the lion was wearing a GPS collar and the officials did find him right after he killed it, and claimed he tried to tamper with the GPS collar, you seem to be ignoring that as well.
nocturnalWhat are you even trying to say he was forty miles away from where he was supposed to hunt. Not 5 or a few miles 40 miles away, then he thought he could get away with it by lying to a federal agent about where he shot and killed it. There's court records of that I have no idea what you're talking about. That prior incident which he got probation for definitely shows his character when it comes to hunting. I don't know why you're trying to sweep that under the rug and pretend it didn't happen. Do we know for sure no not 100%, but it really looks like he's in the wrong if he really did nothing wrong. From the evidence presented the lion was wearing a GPS collar and the officials did find him right after he killed it, and claimed he tried to tamper with the GPS collar, you seem to be ignoring that as well.
Was it a situation of had ng a permit for white tail in one forest, but not in another? Or was did he shoot an animal with limited tags available?
louie.miragsThis whole lion being killed hype is another example of the media dictating to the public what issues to focus on! Don't let the media decide what issues are important! Stop falling for their games!
this this this fucking this. finally some voices of reason.
yes, its sad that this lion was killed. but in the grand scheme of things, lions getting killed by rich dudes pale in comparison to the other issues Africa faces on a constant basis. Not like warlords terrorize villages, murder people/rape women, and force kids to be soldiers or anything. but apparently that's not as social media-friendly as good ol cecil.
just more bullshit priorities people value. yawn, just another day on this fucking retarded planet.
louie.miragsThis whole lion being killed hype is another example of the media dictating to the public what issues to focus on! Don't let the media decide what issues are important! Stop falling for their games!
Honestly the problem here isn't the media... the problem here is the people being able to use social media to focus on an issue. The media right now is just following the people because it'll get views on their ads.
Mr.BishopHonestly the problem here isn't the media... the problem here is the people being able to use social media to focus on an issue. The media right now is just following the people because it'll get views on their ads.
DeebieSkeebiesthis this this fucking this. finally some voices of reason.
yes, its sad that this lion was killed. but in the grand scheme of things, lions getting killed by rich dudes pale in comparison to the other issues Africa faces on a constant basis. Not like warlords terrorize villages, murder people/rape women, and force kids to be soldiers or anything. but apparently that's not as social media-friendly as good ol cecil.
just more bullshit priorities people value. yawn, just another day on this fucking retarded planet.
This logic is so flawed though. With that sentiment you shouldn't ever complain a day in your life. Relative to your situation in America you have nothing to complain about. I don't want to see you in that rant thread because cmon man, horrible things are happening in Africa, why are you complaining. Snow not what you like, work not what you like...be quiet because Horrible things are happening in Africa that are much bigger. These things don't negate the wrongness or negative aspects of other things, such as the lion in this case.
mirozDamn Bishop, you're right. I feel bad for laughing about the response a few days ago. Good post, thanks.
Yeah this is actually kind of turning into serious shit if you ask me. Its a real cancer spreading on the internet, and I have no idea what to do about it.
Mr.BishopYeah this is actually kind of turning into serious shit if you ask me. Its a real cancer spreading on the internet, and I have no idea what to do about it.
Maybe if we remind people that because he killed this lion people are actually getting their shit together to finally end an injustice that has been on going for far too long(imo).
I wouldn't go as far to thank him for it, but if you look past all the BS and the mob mentality surrounding this issue. Look at how many people are actually taking the time to donate to these animals that have needed it for far longer than the average person would like to admit. As much as some wouldn't like to admit it, we sometimes actually get shit done when terrible things go on for far too long.
Lé.SkiingMaybe if we remind people that because he killed this lion people are actually getting their shit together to finally end an injustice that has been on going for far too long(imo).
I wouldn't go as far to thank him for it, but if you look past all the BS and the mob mentality surrounding this issue. Look at how many people are actually taking the time to donate to these animals that have needed it for far longer than the average person would like to admit. As much as some wouldn't like to admit it, we sometimes actually get shit done when terrible things go on for far too long.
No I mean I'm with you on this issue - that isn't the point.
"In April 2013, shortly after the Boston Marathon Bombing, users on Reddit came to believe that a young man named Sunil Tripathi had conducted the attack. Someone who resembled Tripathi had been visible in photos of the marathon, and as it turned out Tripathi was suspiciously missing. The internet mob turned on Tripathi's family, bombarding it with hundreds of threats; his sister received 58 phone calls just between 3 and 4 am that night. A few weeks later, the Tripathis, after enduring the trauma of online and real-world harassment, learned that Sunil had in fact died in an apparent suicide some time before the attack. Reddit users apologized, but it was too late. Mob justice had been done."
Mob justice is fucking dangerous. Now the story of him committing suicide hasn't been properly verified... but if it was true that means that reddit mob justice actually killed a person. The people involved murdered someone behind their internet anonymity.
The internet is real. What you do/say has real consequences and we should be horribly concerned as to what we're doing with that.
Mr.Bishop Mob justice is fucking dangerous. Now the story of him committing suicide hasn't been properly verified... but if it was true that means that reddit mob justice actually killed a person. The people involved murdered someone behind their internet anonymity.
The internet is real. What you do/say has real consequences and we should be horribly concerned as to what we're doing with that.
I actually heard about that. Lately I have noticed a lot of this kind of stuff going on. The worst part is when innocent cops end up on the wrong end of a gun because of those people that feel like they are doing a service because of all the shitty stuff they see about cops every day in facebook posts.
We are conditioned to think a certain way when facebook gears towards trending topics and sometimes it can go south really quickly. I have been trying to stay out of forming an opinion on certain issues out of pure emotion when I'm at my most vulnerable time to make poor judgement of commenting. I see lots of people who form an opinion right away and then as soon as they do that, they have basically already said "Fuck every bit of evidence from this point forward I know this is the way it is" and then that's how they leave the situation. As for me I try and understand what kind of mindset the man/woman was in. I try and think of any conceivable way that it might just be a misunderstanding or maybe someone really just had no idea what they were doing until it was too late.
There is one quote that after I have heard it I always try and bring my mindset back to it to try and regain my center ground. The quote is this: "anything human, can not be alien to me". Meaning that any action any human being commits no matter what the crime or injustice they have committed could have been anyone under the right circumstances. In other words it could even be me under the right conditions.
We are all human beings and we are all basically made up the same the only difference is our knowledge. Under the right circumstances we are all capable of murder. I think that saying holds more truth now and is something to reflect on when making decisions.
I am personally trying to lead a better life by trying to set a good example. For the past 2 months I have been thinking of something I am thankful or grateful for. I honestly encourage everyone to do the same thing. It has done more for me in the past 2 months than getting angry over stuff I can not change with a negative mindset has done for me in my entire life. Maybe it's because I'm more mature, or maybe it's because I have been striving to just live my life in a positive way in hopes that other people will see it and decide to do the same.
As much as I'd hate to bring up self promotion I feel like this is the perfect time to bring up my Facebook page I've been doing for pure fun for about 2+ months (the link is in my signature). It's called positive world project, and I hope it's pretty much self explanatory. As a heads up to anyone thinking their going to disturb the peace. Me and a few other friends of mine manage the page and we actually delete anything that is negative or is only meant to disrupt the peace.
californiagrownWas it a situation of had ng a permit for white tail in one forest, but not in another? Or was did he shoot an animal with limited tags available?
What was his side?
For someone who wants to get all the facts before making an opinion, you suck at getting the facts to make an oponion.
Mr.BishopHonestly the problem here isn't the media... the problem here is the people being able to use social media to focus on an issue. The media right now is just following the people because it'll get views on their ads.
Well, I hear ya on that and the article makes sense but nobody I am following on facebook was posting about this until the media was blasting it in our faces. It was on the front page of newspapers. As if it is front page news. As if there is no other major news going on. We're in a perpetual war, people are in poverty, we have corrupt politicians but that shit rarely makes the news. The news wants us to think we should be passionate about this and avoid mentioning the war unless it makes the U.S. look good. Animals get poached every day in this world and even our country.
"Why are the Americans more concerned than us?" said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father-of-two cleaning his car in the center of the capital. "We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange."
"In April 2013, shortly after the Boston Marathon Bombing, users on Reddit came to believe that a young man named Sunil Tripathi had conducted the attack. Someone who resembled Tripathi had been visible in photos of the marathon, and as it turned out Tripathi was suspiciously missing. The internet mob turned on Tripathi's family, bombarding it with hundreds of threats; his sister received 58 phone calls just between 3 and 4 am that night. A few weeks later, the Tripathis, after enduring the trauma of online and real-world harassment, learned that Sunil had in fact died in an apparent suicide some time before the attack. Reddit users apologized, but it was too late. Mob justice had been done."
Mob justice is fucking dangerous. Now the story of him committing suicide hasn't been properly verified... but if it was true that means that reddit mob justice actually killed a person. The people involved murdered someone behind their internet anonymity.
The internet is real. What you do/say has real consequences and we should be horribly concerned as to what we're doing with that.
Even before reddit, social media and all the ways we have to send the internet mob down on someone it was done by the regular old media, ruining peoples lives.
This guy deserved it.
If the lion had mauled him to death all of you would be saying that he deserved it. I have an issue with people that will drop a years salary on a hunting trip to kill one animal from the safety of a vehicle. I dont care what happens to the lion hunter fuck that pig but it is insane to take it upon yourself to threaten his family who had nothing to do with it.
louie.miragsAs if there is no other major news going on. We're in a perpetual war, people are in poverty, we have corrupt politicians but that shit rarely makes the news. The news wants us to think we should be passionate about this and avoid mentioning the war unless it makes the U.S. look good. Animals get poached every day in this world and even our country.
Partly true. Yes, we have a war going on but people hear about it all the time and are arguably desensitized to it (not that they should be, just that they are). People are in poverty, but again that's nothing remotely new and people are also desensitized to it. We have corrupt politicians (and businesses, etc) but that's also nothing new. And to your point, yes poaching is nothing new but I think it is all of the circumstances surrounding this specific example of poaching that has caught people's attention. When certain animals are near extinction due to human greed and carelessness, people get upset when the remaining population is barbarically and unnecessarily hunted. Recently, the world has been told that certain rhinos are now extinct and the last male white rhino is under 24 hour armed guard, so it is on their minds.
I'm not trying to justify anyone's position on the matter, but just trying to explain how it could happen, which also needs to be understood if we are to form the best opinion on the matter.
Furthermore, people can most assuredly be upset by the whole Cecil debacle and be upset at the other troubles in this world too.
DlCKThis guy deserved it.
I dont care what happens to the lion hunter fuck that pig but it is insane to take it upon yourself to threaten his family who had nothing to do with it.
It is also insane and illegal to threaten the hunter you buffoon.
onenerdykidFurthermore, people can most assuredly be upset by the whole Cecil debacle and be upset at the other troubles in this world too.
For sure, I agree. It is just political corruption is obvious and in our faces almost daily but people are rarely calling for their heads. They seem to be too busy debating on whether Jenner should be celebrated or not. My main point is the media and what is trending on Facebook tends to dictate what debates we should be passionate about. Another example is the amount of innocent people who have died in the middle east because of the U.S. Meanwhile, we're busy debating on whether or not this dentist should pay for this crime. Even though his guide is responsible. It is all relative but the media should reconsider what is actual news verses what they promote to make money. That is never going to happen but a nice thought.
If you were observing our culture from the outside you would have to wonder why we cherish the life of one lion verses thousands of innocent civilians in the Middle East???
BumblesteezeIt is also insane and illegal to threaten the hunter you buffoon.
This entire story reeks of first world problems.
Fuck off.
Its insane to threaten the hunter but if the lion had mauled him everyone would be cheering for the lion.
He was not hunting for survival he was hunting for sport In another country illegally. Yes, this is a first world issue because people from first world countries are the ones able to do it, dipshit.
Fuck that dude, he doesnt deserve to die, but he deserves every bit of bullshit that he has to deal with. Make an example of the asshole and this shit wont happen anymore.
If you think people shouldnt be upset then you are a fucking idiot.
Zimbabwe wants Cecil the lion's killer extradited
The killer of Cecil the lion that has been excoriated around the world in recent days may face Zimbabwean justice for his crime. Zimbabwe's government has asked that Walter Palmer, a dentist from Minnesota who has admitted to killing the animal, be returned to Africa to be tried.
"We are appealing to the responsible authorities for his extradition to Zimbabwe so that he can be held accountable for his illegal action," environment minister Oppah Muchinguri said on Friday, as Reuters reported.
[Betty White wants justice for Cecil the lion]
Though it perhaps seems unlikely that the United States would send one of its citizens to face a court in a nation governed by corrupt dictator Robert Mugabe ... it might.
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service "is deeply concerned about the recent killing of Cecil the lion," the agency said in a statement this week, as the Huffington Post reported. "We are currently gathering facts about the issue and will assist Zimbabwe officials in whatever manner requested."
Ed Grace, chief of law enforcement for the agency, told The Washington Post on Thursday that U.S. investigators have been trying to reach Palmer, but haven't been able to find him. "We've made repeated attempts to try and get in contact with him," Grace said.
Grace also said the State Department is looking into the matter in Africa.
As of Thursday, Palmer's whereabouts were unknown; the Huffington Post wrote that "he appears to be in hiding" after saying he "had no idea that the lion ... was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt." Palmer, who ran afoul of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in 2009 for "lying about a bear kill," the agency said, has said "relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt."
[U.S. officials can't find the dentist who killed Cecil the lion]
Muchinguri, however, also took issue with Palmer's use of a bow-and-arrow to hunt Cecil. This is against Zimbabwe's hunting regulations, she said.
"It was too late to apprehed the foreign poacher because he had already absconded to his country of origin," Muchinguri said.
According to a Huffington Post analysis, Palmer is a legitimate target for extradition because of the principle of dual criminality. In other words, what he did that was illegal in Zimbabwe is also illegal in the United States. One international law professor's advice to Palmer: "Plead guilty, and pay a huge fine, and make restitution, and a public apology."
If that prescription lets Palmer avoid Zimbabwean jail, it's perhaps a good one. Zimbabwe's jails do not sound very nice.
"I had left the cells with a case of scabies, an infestation of microscopic mites that swelled my hands and wrists to nearly twice their size," Barry Bearak, a journalist jailed in Harare, wrote in the New York Times in 2008 in a piece called "In Zimbabwe Jail: A Reporter's Ordeal." "In the meantime, Zimbabwe is beset with paroxysms of violence. Thuggery, torture and murder are familiar implements in Robert Mugabe's tool kit. Political opponents are being brutalized, as are everyday people whose voting defied him."
