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californiagrownPatriots? I think you mean criminals. Patriots do not violate American law, disrespect the Constitution, and become judge, jury and executioner.
It's this kind of rhetoric that is killing America. It needs to stop on both sides.
californiagrownPatriots? I think you mean criminals. Patriots do not violate American law, disrespect the Constitution, and become judge, jury and executioner.
It's this kind of rhetoric that is killing America. It needs to stop on both sides.
CampeadorOh, that's right, they just sit their and take it. It's probably their own fault anyway.
CampeadorNo, patriots.
Thomas Jefferson had a great quote on the subject.
It's only natural to declare war on those who wish to destroy you, your culture, and your way of life. Soros and his merry gang certainly fall in that category. Patriots are honoring the Constitution, and the freedom the Founders fought for, by destroying him and his operatives.
Leftists have long shown that the rules only apply to others, I think it's about time to level the playing field. The Project Veritas investigation clearly shows that all levels of the Democrat Party are complicit in the fraud being perpetrated on the country.
The ones disrespecting American law are those in power, so why should it be any different for the People?
CampeadorGiven that American values are based on the Judeo-Christian values of the founding fathers, that seems about right. Without that foundation, America is nothing.
californiagrownYou are encouraging the extrajudicial killing of American citizens, on American soil, committing civil law crimes. You are a terrible person. Flat out. Incredibly unamerican, and just ethically wrong for you to say that. Seriously. I hope the FBI comes knocking on your door for this trash.
You just encouraged the assassination of an American public figure.
You can go fuck yourself. You just completely lost my respect or patience to debate with you.
onenerdykidA good number of the Founding Fathers (including Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, Allen) were highly critical of the Christian faith, some flat out denouncing it. Many were Deists who believed in a powerful creator who had little to no influence on us, physically or morally.
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. ... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding...." Thomas Jefferson, April 11, 1823
Thomas Paine was undoubtedly the most vocal about it, of which he has written at great length. And it should come as no surprise that the US Constitution explicitly makes no mention to God, Jesus, Christianity, or the Bible for any justification for its claims, its existence or reason to exist. Any American values that are praiseworthy certainly cannot be 100% claimed in the name of Judaism or Christianity. There is simply far too much influence on ethics and morality that had zero contact with the Judeo-Christian traditions for that to be true. At most, these praiseworthy values are simply in agreement with some Judeo-Christian values, not necessarily stemming from it.
Campeador"The government passed a law that allows them to take 1.5 billion euros from the liquidity reserve of the public health care fund (10 billion euros in total, paid by all members and additionally by the taxpayer) and to give that money to refugees / asylum seekers."
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/europes-current-economy/germany-refugee-crisis-leads-to-raiding-healthcare-funds/
.MASSHOLE.Let me explain why, once again, you are wrong about it going to economic migrants and illegal immigrants. Firstly, it is for legitimate asylum seekers only.
This is a bill that will take money from the healthcare fund that will be used for refugees to take integration courses or they will be denied residency permits? Those who decided to undergo the 3 year program would automatically be permitted to stay in the country, and their visa would be extended 6 months upon graduation to find work, and if they found work, extended an additional two years.
You know what it also did? It relaxed the antiquated laws surrounding asylum and employment. Up until that bill, no person with unclear visa status, regardless of race, religion, age, or gender could be hired for a position unless it had been empty for 3 years because no EU or German citizen had taken it. Now, refugees can take up those contract jobs immediately, while those with unclear asylum status would be able to work under an 8-cents-job scheme that involves cleaning and serving meals in asylum shelters.
CampeadorGoing around with your folks to tourist restaurants doesn't count.
The whole lower side of Bairro Alto is infested with those rats.
But it warms my heart that you have such a soft spot for Islam and migrant drug dealers who sexually harass girls on the street.
CampeadorThere is plenty to be critical of in Christian and Jewish doctrine. The difference is that the ideas of the Enlightenment are the results of centuries of evolution in Christianity, with roots in the philosophy of Thomas Aquinas and the rediscovery of the Classics. Christian morality on natural rights endowed by a Creator, were fundamental to the founding of the nation.
Even Jefferson himself, who authored the Declaration, makes very clear mention of God.
"and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them"
I don't care much for Christian or Jewish dogma, but I recognize the value of the philosophy and culture created out of the traditions of these two faiths. It's not to say that all American values are born out of Judeo-Christian tradition, but they absolutely form the foundation.
Campeador1. Right, "legitimate asylum-seekers only". Thanks for that, I haven't had a good laugh yet today.
2. Is the first sentence in this paragraph a statement or a question? Rather confusing, but I'll assume it's a statement.
3. Your feel-good naivety knows no limits. The German classes so far have been a total disaster. They're mostly dealing with illiterates, with below average IQ.
And also, doesn't look like they're that into the whole "jobs" thing,
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/701556/German-Asylum-seekers-refuse-to-work-insisting-We-are-Merkel-s-GUESTS
onenerdykidWhen you read the works from the Enlightenment (i.e. Hobbes, Locke, Hume, Kant, Voltaire, Mill, etc.) it's clear that they are stemming from the Renaissance, the rebirth of Classical Greek & Latin philosophy. Aquinas' entire theology was born from him trying to merge the metaphysics, physics, and ethics of Aristotle with the Christian Bible. Without Aristotle, Aquinas would be reduced to a mere footnote in the history of philosophy.
Our "American" notions of democracy, justice as fairness, separation of Church & State, social contract, etc. stem directly from that Classical Rebirth and the resulting European Enlightenment, not from Judeo-Christian values. No doubt that the vast majority of the American public were heavily influenced by the Church and Christianity, but that the foundation of our government rests upon Judeo-Christian values is huge myth (except maybe slavery, as that was defended straight from the Bible. Southern Christians were sadly on the winning side of that theological argument).
As soon as the ink was barely dry on the Constitution, religious Christians were furious that there wasn't any mention of God to be found, nor Jesus, nor Christianity, nor of the Bible. As one reverend wrote, “(The Constitution) is negatively atheistical, for no God is appealed to at all. In framing many of our public formularies, greater care seems to have been taken to adapt them to the prejudices of the INFIDEL FEW, than to the consciences of the Christian millions.” The Declaration Of Independence is a separate thing, one that serves merely to inform the world of our independence, written in the language common to that era- it is not the basis for any form of government nor any laws that we have today. It is the Constitution that does that, and it was written explicitly in that way as to not have any religious favoritism. And this is the foundation of our government, of our laws.
.MASSHOLE.Legitimate asylum seekers have paperwork to prove it.....but you're too stupid to know that.
http://www.asylumineurope.org/reports/country/germany/asylum-procedure/procedures/regular-procedure
Right, we have 3? months of data telling us something is a failure. Great to know you're an expert on a new law that frankly has yet to have time to actually be studied.
CampeadorHow about that "vetting" process? Letting in great people like this "legitimate asylum seeker", who was getting ready to show his gratitude by bombing Houston malls.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/10/18/Iraqi-refugee-living-in-Houston-pleads-guilty-to-supporting-Islamic-State/2991476810684/
See, I wasn't talking about the law itself, but nice try. These migrants have been flooding in for at least three years now. The attempts to reeducate them have been an abysmal failure.
But of course, in Germany they've had decades to integrate the Turks, right? That should've produced some results.
Oh, sorry, doesn't look like that worked out either.
"A new study published on Monday shows that Turks are the least integrated group of immigrants in German society"
"Unemployment among Turkish immigrants is high and many survive on state benefits while the reports shows a large number of Turkish women remain in the home to manage the family."
"In the area of education, the study shows that 30 percent of students of Turkish origin do not have a school leaving certificate and only 14 percent pass their final secondary school examinations"
http://www.dw.com/en/study-shows-turkish-immigrants-least-integrated-in-germany/a-3975683
.MASSHOLE.The German census no longer considers people with Turkish heritage as "Turks" if they have German citizenship.
Thank god you are not a German, you would give a bad name to the rest of my people.
.MASSHOLE.So Germany vetting=American vetting now? Ok, that is news to me.
Campeador"In terms of assimilation into society, Turkish immigrants are marked down due to the fact that less than a third of Turks born in Germany have chosen to obtain German citizenship"
Your people aren't going to exist within a few decades thanks to open-borders clowns like you. Perhaps you can reconnect culturally with those Turkish "Germans" (thanks again for another laugh! Two in one day!)
Go to bed, dude.
CampeadorI'll admit, you do have a point here. As it stand now, the German "vetting" process is so much worse.
How exactly do you "vet" one million migrants with, more often than not, fake passports and no records? Short answer, you don't.
If the U.S. process is a disaster, the German one can only be described as a catastrophe.
At least we haven't had any suicide bombers yet.
CampeadorI'll have to disagree, the Declaration of Independence is the founding document of the nation. The Constitution codifies the spirit of the Declaration. To say otherwise is somewhat dishonest. The powers given to government by the Constitution, at its core, are to protect the natural rights proclaimed in the Declaration. These ideas, for both the Declaration and the Constitution, are largely derived from the philosophy of John Locke (among other thinkers). Government exists to protect these natural rights, that is the fundamental basis of Constitution.
To say that the Constitution and Declaration are "separate things" is very unconvincing.
CampeadorKind of like you filming one of your old OWS protests on your iPhone.
Are leftists now trying to requisition the word "cuck" too? That's a new one.
.MASSHOLE.http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a49868/trump-tower-what-a-dump/
Vicious.
TheDoughAbidesI also wouldn't consider myself a leftist
The fight against globalization is futile.
onenerdykidFor these reasons, you cannot say that at America's foundation are Judeo-Christian values. What you should say is that the values which America is founded on are compatible with SOME Judeo-Christian values. If you really thought that Jesus' values were at the heart of the founding of the country, then you should be 100% for open boarders, letting in our enemies, and embracing them with Christ's love.
.MASSHOLE.Once again you're missing the fact I talked about legitimate asylum seekers as recognized by German law. Immigrants and asylum seekers =/= recognized asylum seekers by German law.
http://www.bmi.bund.de/EN/Topics/Migration-Integration/Asylum-Refugee-Protection/Asylum-Refugee-Protection_Germany/asylum-refugee-policy-germany_node.html
Oh oh and we hevent even discussed Germany's aging population much like that of the US. You'd think you'd need workers to grow GDP but what do I know about that right? /s
CampeadorYou just keep providing back-to-back laughs. What a pathetic article, now you're just trying too hard. You leftists truly are snide, vile people. All that Esquire clown could find, despite what I'm sure were his best efforts, was a closed garden undergoing maintenance and a not quite pristine working area for Trump Grill employees. And honestly, what kind of loser even reads Esquire anyway? Oh wait, never mind.
I also noticed that despite how much you cared previously the Trump campaign's connection to Russia, you haven't made one mention of John Podesta's numerous business dealings with a Kremlin-linked investment firm.
You're a joke.
CampeadorLegitimate vs. illegitimate, what's the difference exactly? Your government link doesn't specify much besides "political persecution", very broad and ill-defined.
And right, the far-left, worker replacement argument. This is what leftist globalists like you are seeking, European population replacement with foreign muslims. The Islamic conquest of Europe, finally made possible by useful idiots like you.
How much do these muslims contribute to the GDP, exactly? They seem to mostly be bleeding the public treasury dry, while primarily contributing violent crime, rape, terrorism, and squalor.
The Decline and Fall.
CampeadorYou're a joke.
.MASSHOLE.You are a joke.
CampeadorHahaha no way! Now you're just messing with me, but you get credit for putting the "are" in there. Keep the laughs coming my man.
You're like some kind of fucked up inbred fusion of Robby Mook and Bowe Bergdahl.
No wonder your folks had to spend half a million dollars to help you get a job. You would have been hopeless otherwise.
Perhaps the leftist term "white privilege" should be changed to "liberal privilege", it would fit much better, wouldn't you say?
.MASSHOLE.What pathetic hole are you going to return to when Trump loses? It must be a miserable life knowing people like you can only really show your true colors for a mere 12 months and after this election never again.
BrawnTrendsAnd by "never again" you mean "until the 2020 elections, when the next GOP candidate will say radical stuff to try to appeal to ultra-conservative right-wing voters"
.MASSHOLE.Except it depends on your definitions of radical.
BrawnTrendsMaybe radical wasn't the right term to employ. I was merely making a joke.
.SHAGGY.better than crooked hilary
mswizzle3Hillary 4 Prison
CampeadorWhat it boils down to is the importance one puts on the Judeo-Christian tradition in the development of modern Western Civilization over the centuries.
I tend to give it more importance.
.MASSHOLE.Interesting read.
onenerdykidI'll definitely grant you this, Christianity and Islam are not equally as bad and at least Christianity allows for the possibility of the separation of Church & State- "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that which are God's" Matthew 22:21. No such claim can be made of Islam or found in the Qur'an. This is partly (arguably mostly) what has allowed political, philosophic, and scientific advancements to be made within the Judeo-Christian world and have been greatly absent from the Islamic world.
CampeadorWhich means it's not interesting at all.
Spare us the left-wing opinion pieces.
Only in the warped mind of a social justice loon could so-called "white nationalism" be a greater threat than Islamic terrorism and open-borders globalism.
.MASSHOLE.J.M. Berger is associate fellow at the International Center for Counterterrorism at The Hague, and fellow at George Washington University’s Program on Extremism.
I mean, you think he'd know more than you about terrorism and threats.
.MASSHOLE.Glad to see you can read.
Oh wait, you didn't even bother with the headline.
It talks about how the alt-right/white supremacists accepted a candidate who they once accused of being a Jew, egomaniac (they are right), and self-preserving mercenary.
CampeadorDid you get it emailed to you from the Clinton campaign, by chance?
Just another pathetic smear attempt, from yet another left-wing globalist.
.MASSHOLE.aw
Aw it must be a Trump supporter thing, allergic to the truth.
CampeadorI thought your girl Hillary was the one with the "allergies"?
Your ideological brethren, perhaps?
Left-Wing Berkeley Protesters Demand ‘Spaces of Color’, Harass White Students Trying to Pass
http://heatst.com/culture-wars/left-wing-berkeley-protesters-demand-spaces-of-color-harass-white-students-trying-to-pass/
