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People so butt-hurt over the confederate flag flown @ SC capitol ???

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.frenchy
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Like why? I could see if a northern state was flying it...

It's a symbol of southern HERITAGE, not hate. Maybe to some retarded white trash fuckers. But it is flying high at the SC capital building, not because of racism, but to remember those that laid down their lives to stand for what they believed, for states rights. NOT only because of slavery.

There were tons of FREE slaves that fought for the south during the civil war, with many African Americans in the Sons of the Confederacy. Look it up if you want.


You're all fucking stupid if you think the flag is a symbol of racism just because the KKK uses it, obviously it's fucking dumb for anyone in the north to fly it. That's a no-brainer.


Jeb Bush/Mitt Romney are fucking idiots to try and make SC take the flag down. Ted Cruz said it perfectly:

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Jun 21 2015 8:58PM
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deleted5
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MinggYeah I fee you. I don't get offended by it and have no reason to be offended by it so I don't. I can see why others would which is why even if I did believe in those values I would never fly one. People are gonna do what they wanna do though and it's probably a good idea to know where they are coming from instead of accusing them of being racists. 99% of these people are not trying to offend anyone, they're just supporting their beliefs.


The issue with your statement is that you don't realize, that other people don't realize, because of ignorance what the flag actually stands for. Its not heritage and if you ever tried talking to an educated person about this they will literally laugh in your face and view you very negatively. So if you do want to fly the Confederate flag you should keep it behind closed doors.
Jun 22 2015 1:06AM
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iH8pow
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Getting rid of the confederate flag is not going to do anything to solve racism. If anything, it will basically serve as a martyr and strengthen the cause of people who are behind it. The swastika was basically abolished after WW2 even though it was a sign of peace, but that doesn't stop neonazis from existing.
Jun 22 2015 1:25AM
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californiagrown
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CoreyTrevorGetting rid of the confederate flag is not going to do anything to solve racism. If anything, it will basically serve as a martyr and strengthen the cause of people who are behind it. The swastika was basically abolished after WW2 even though it was a sign of peace, but that doesn't stop neonazis from existing.


but it sure stops german jews from having that despicable SYMBOL rubbed in their face on a daily basis.
Jun 22 2015 1:38AM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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I'm glad those people died. I don't feel bad for them. Many were my relatives from my white half of my southern-based family.

Last time I was in Louisiana, I literally pissed on my great great something's grave. He died fighting for the south.

Fuck em. Glad they died gruesome deaths.
Jun 22 2015 1:53AM
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Mingg
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nocturnalThe issue with your statement is that you don't realize, that other people don't realize, because of ignorance what the flag actually stands for. Its not heritage and if you ever tried talking to an educated person about this they will literally laugh in your face and view you very negatively. So if you do want to fly the Confederate flag you should keep it behind closed doors.


Wait, so you're saying people are ignorant for having an opinion and their own interpretation of a flag?

The flag isn't necessarily a staple for slavery. 99% of people who fly it aren't doing so because they are racist or believe in slavery, at least from what I've seen. Maybe that's different in other parts but that's what it's like here. Then again NY is probably a bad example.

Anyways, it doesn't affect me so my opinion doesn't matter. I don't think flying it is usually a good idea but if someone feels strongly about their interpretation of the flag and they want to express that, then so be it. There's really nothing to be done to change their mind. Just gotta go with the flow and respect their beliefs without being judgmental.

That being said, anyone who still stands for slavery and uses the flag to show that is fucked and I disagree with that 100%.
Jun 22 2015 2:04AM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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MinggWait, so you're saying people are ignorant for having an opinion and their own interpretation of a flag?

The flag isn't necessarily a staple for slavery. 99% of people who fly it aren't doing so because they are racist or believe in slavery, at least from what I've seen. Maybe that's different in other parts but that's what it's like here. Then again NY is probably a bad example.

Anyways, it doesn't affect me so my opinion doesn't matter. I don't think flying it is usually a good idea but if someone feels strongly about their interpretation of the flag and they want to express that, then so be it. There's really nothing to be done to change their mind. Just gotta go with the flow and respect their beliefs without being judgmental.

That being said, anyone who still stands for slavery and uses the flag to show that is fucked and I disagree with that 100%.


Well said!
Jun 22 2015 2:09AM
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broto
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MinggYeah I fee you. I don't get offended by it and have no reason to be offended by it so I don't. I can see why others would which is why even if I did believe in those values I would never fly one. People are gonna do what they wanna do though and it's probably a good idea to know where they are coming from instead of accusing them of being racists. 99% of these people are not trying to offend anyone, they're just supporting their beliefs.


regardless of whether or not you "believe" that this flag represents southern heritage or not, it represents a lot of pain for a lot of people, namely African Americans. to fly a symbol that they know will be seen by blacks as a symbol of their suffering is racist to me. people KNOW they will offend black people (and a lot of white people) by flying a confederate flag. and they have no problem doing it. that's the racist part to me.

sometimes, it's not good or appropriate to be proud of your heritage.
Jun 22 2015 2:54AM
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Kreech
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.frenchyA ton of people had slaves in the north too.... Hahahahahahha.


People in my town had slaves... People in almost every fucking town had slaves. You're acting like it was just the south LOL, plenty of people in the north fought for the south as well. AND AFRICAN AMERICANS FOUGHT FOR THE SOUTH. why do you keep ignoring that kid? you fucking idiot. war was over states rights sooooooo

Who would of thought this thread would get so many negative responses ;)


I mean 98% of NS are liberals from northern states...


You're right, the war was over states' rights. It was over the Southern states wanting the right to be able to own black people and force them to work on their plantations. So if you fly a confederate flag, you're showing that you support states' rights over federal power, IN THE CONTEXT of those states wanting to exercise their rights to be able to own human beings as property because of their race. States' rights as a general debate is not directly related to race, but in the specific instance of the stars and bars/the civil war it most certainly is. You can say what you will, but it will remain the symbol that represents the "rich history and tradition of the south that all those brave confederate soldiers died fighting for" AKA wanting to be able to whip black people while they picked cotton for free. Case closed, you're a racist asshole frenchy.
Jun 22 2015 4:01AM
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las.
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.frenchyThe flag is flown in honor of most of the souths ancestors who died for it


The flag represents the south's attempt to preserve the institution of slavery. There is no honour in flying that flag, unless you were a bigoted little racist like yourself
Jun 22 2015 4:22AM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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brotoregardless of whether or not you "believe" that this flag represents southern heritage or not, it represents a lot of pain for a lot of people, namely African Americans. to fly a symbol that they know will be seen by blacks as a symbol of their suffering is racist to me. people KNOW they will offend black people (and a lot of white people) by flying a confederate flag. and they have no problem doing it. that's the racist part to me.

sometimes, it's not good or appropriate to be proud of your heritage.


las.The flag represents the south's attempt to preserve the institution of slavery. There is no honour in flying that flag, unless you were a bigoted little racist like yourself


no no no white people were blessed by God in 1776 and they are allowed to be proud of anything their ancestors did because ancestors can't sin.
Jun 22 2015 5:30AM
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hishighnesss
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MinggPeople look way to deep into things and take everything in such extreme ways.

Fly a confederate flag if you want to for whatever reason. If you believe in the "heritage not hate" standpoint, then that's your belief. Just don't be surprised if someone who disagrees takes offense to it.

There were a lot of these kids in my high school(upstate NY). I was friends with them and not one of them was legitimately racist. Slavery is terrible but there was much more that the south stood for. Those values are what people believe the confederate flag stand for, not slavery.

Hell, we had a couple african americans in my school who flew confederate flags from their trucks... To be honest people don't fly the flag because they support slavery/racism and if you think otherwise you are equally as ignorant.


Fuck you bitch, I saw you Instagram and you got a confederate flag sticker on your fucking Jeep you racist bitch
Jun 22 2015 7:26AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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99% of people who fly the flag aren't racists huh? Just like 99% of Germans were Nazis during World War II? Lol at anyone defending that garbage flag and what "they think" it represents.
Jun 22 2015 8:05AM
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Mingg
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brotoregardless of whether or not you "believe" that this flag represents southern heritage or not, it represents a lot of pain for a lot of people, namely African Americans. to fly a symbol that they know will be seen by blacks as a symbol of their suffering is racist to me. people KNOW they will offend black people (and a lot of white people) by flying a confederate flag. and they have no problem doing it. that's the racist part to me.

sometimes, it's not good or appropriate to be proud of your heritage.


yeah yeah I get what you mean. Just from what I've seen those who fly it aren't doing it because it represents what you mentioned. Everyone is gonna have their own interpretation of it. Most people aren't going to be intentionally racist like that and if they thought that was how it was looked at I don't think any of them would fly it. The same person who flys a confederate flag would probably argue that a gay pride flag is offensive to them and their religion. It works both ways and tbh it's stupid. Let people believe in what they want, theres really nothing anyone can do to stop them from expressing their views.
Jun 22 2015 10:33AM
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onenerdykid
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Even if you remove all of the racist/pro-slavery elements from the equation, the Confederate flag represents a traitorous segment that waged war against it's own country. For that reason alone it should not be flown by any contemporary government agency, either state or federal. It for sure was an important part of American history, and it should not be forgotten. It should be kept and studied like all historical artifacts- in a museum.

On a personal note, private citizens should be allowed to freely express themselves how they see fit, even if I disagree with their racist/pro-slavery undertones. The (peaceful) freedom of expression is something that we should not limit, no matter what our own personal opinions are. So if a private citizen wants to fly the flag in their truck or home or wear it to the Red Lobster on a Friday night, they should have all of the right to do so.
Jun 22 2015 10:40AM
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.Hugo.
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If seeing a confederate flag actually bothers someone they are probably seeking out things to complain about. And if it truly does bother someone they need to get some thicker fucking skin. There are a hell of a lot worse things theyre gonna see/encounter over their lifetime
Jun 22 2015 10:54AM
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hishighnesss
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.Hugo.If seeing a confederate flag actually bothers someone they are probably seeking out things to complain about. And if it truly does bother someone they need to get some thicker fucking skin. There are a hell of a lot worse things theyre gonna see/encounter over their lifetime


dude its a sign of racism and hate, nothing more.
Jun 22 2015 10:55AM
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.Hugo.
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hishighnesssdude its a sign of racism and hate, nothing more.


I never said it was more. Whether its a confederate flag, a fag with a swastika or whatever, who fucking cares. Its a stupid fucking flag flown by some dumbass. It has zero effect on anyone but the person flying it
Jun 22 2015 11:00AM
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hishighnesss
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.Hugo.I never said it was more. Whether its a confederate flag, a fag with a swastika or whatever, who fucking cares. Its a stupid fucking flag flown by some dumbass. It has zero effect on anyone but the person flying it


u r fucking ignorant kid, ppl just died in a shooting by some clown waving around the confederate flag

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/773925/K--39-NAAN---Wavin--39--Flag--Coca-Cola-Celebration-Mix-
Jun 22 2015 11:04AM
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Brule.
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this thread is a shit show
Jun 22 2015 11:10AM
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JAHpow
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S.J.WThe civil war was essentially about slavery. Nothing else and that's what the flag represents to many people.


That is false. Actually the purpose of the civil war was to preserve the Union because the Confederate states wanted to split off from the north and become their own country. Lincoln didn't want that to happen. Ending slavery was not the priority.
Jun 22 2015 11:12AM
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S.J.W
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JAHpowThat is false. Actually the purpose of the civil war was to preserve the Union because the Confederate states wanted to split off from the north and become their own country. Lincoln didn't want that to happen. Ending slavery was not the priority.


Well Lincoln wanted to keep the Union together, but the south was afraid they would take their slaves away. So they went to war. Any actual historian who doesn't have any agenda to try down play Americas fuck ups will tell you the war was mainly over slavery. Or within your history books at school that try do the exact same thing. The war was over slavery.

Discussion over.
Jun 22 2015 11:36AM
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deleted5
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MinggWait, so you're saying people are ignorant for having an opinion and their own interpretation of a flag?


YES, did I not make that clear? You can have what ever opinion you want on a symbol, that doesn't change what it actually stands for. You cant just change the meaning of something just "because southern pride."
Jun 22 2015 11:48AM
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californiagrown
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Minggyeah yeah I get what you mean. Just from what I've seen those who fly it aren't doing it because it represents what you mentioned. Everyone is gonna have their own interpretation of it. Most people aren't going to be intentionally racist like that and if they thought that was how it was looked at I don't think any of them would fly it. The same person who flys a confederate flag would probably argue that a gay pride flag is offensive to them and their religion. It works both ways and tbh it's stupid. Let people believe in what they want, theres really nothing anyone can do to stop them from expressing their views.


You are equating someone flying a flag that represents the fight for civil liberties, to someone flying a flag that represents the utter suppression of civil liberties...


Are you retarded?
Jun 22 2015 11:55AM
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californiagrown
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Minggyeah yeah I get what you mean. Just from what I've seen those who fly it aren't doing it because it represents what you mentioned. Everyone is gonna have their own interpretation of it. Most people aren't going to be intentionally racist like that and if they thought that was how it was looked at I don't think any of them would fly it. The same person who flys a confederate flag would probably argue that a gay pride flag is offensive to them and their religion. It works both ways and tbh it's stupid. Let people believe in what they want, theres really nothing anyone can do to stop them from expressing their views.


Look, the people you see flying it are doing so because they see it as a cool, rebellious act. Nothing more. They are young, dumb, and ignorant to what it truly stands for. Unfortunately ignorance is willful, and is not an excuse.
Jun 22 2015 12:04PM
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SneakyTurtle
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I'm surprised no one brought this up yet, but they didn't start flying the confederate battle flag at the SC capitol until 1962. They did this to show opposition to the civil rights movement. So there's your symbol.

Also, I don't think it would be a big deal if they flew the political flag of the Confederacy (mainly because no one knows what it looks like), but what's on display is the battle flag.
Jun 22 2015 12:07PM
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hishighnesss
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californiagrownLook, the people you see flying it are doing so because they see it as a cool, rebellious act. Nothing more. They are young, dumb, and ignorant to what it truly stands for. Unfortunately ignorance is willful, and is not an excuse.


preach
Jun 22 2015 12:08PM
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JAHpow
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S.J.WWell Lincoln wanted to keep the Union together, but the south was afraid they would take their slaves away. So they went to war. Any actual historian who doesn't have any agenda to try down play Americas fuck ups will tell you the war was mainly over slavery. Or within your history books at school that try do the exact same thing. The war was over slavery.

Discussion over.


My post is directly from my college history professor. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about more than you.
Jun 22 2015 12:27PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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JAHpowMy post is directly from my college history professor. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about more than you.


Because college professors are rarely wrong...

Arent you German?

Have you ever even been to the south?

Don't you have you're own ancestral/racial/war issues to worry about?
Jun 22 2015 12:33PM
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californiagrown
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JAHpowMy post is directly from my college history professor. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about more than you.


Why did the south want to break away? It's because the north wanted to ban slavery which would decimate the southern economy. The south thought states should have the right to choose if slavery was legal or not... That dispute was the main cause of the civil war.
Jun 22 2015 12:37PM
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S.J.W
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JAHpowMy post is directly from my college history professor. I'm sure he knows what he's talking about more than you.


No, you're wrong.
Jun 22 2015 12:38PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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S.J.WNo, you're wrong.


No, I grew up in the south in both white and black culture, and his college professor is much more right than everything I've ever seen.
Jun 22 2015 12:46PM
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Anathema
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So by your rationale, the swastika isn't a symbol of white supremacy and Nazism since it has been widely used in many cultures, and was originally just a flag for the German army. So you should be able to wave it around proudly. Right?

The problem isn't with the flag (or symbol's) origins, it's with what the flag has come to represent.
Jun 22 2015 12:51PM
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JAHpow
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S.J.WNo, you're wrong.


Lol
Jun 22 2015 12:55PM
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deleted5
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JAHpowLol


Just out of curiosity why did you think that they wanted to split from the union?
Jun 22 2015 12:58PM
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S.J.W
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JAHpowLol


Like I said if the war was about anything other than slavery it would have started during the nullification crisis in the 1830's. Bet your college professor didn't say anything about that now did he?
Jun 22 2015 12:59PM
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DanielPlainview
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Frenchy will you plz take one your guns that you love so much and put it to your fucking temple.
Jun 22 2015 1:00PM
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Plankton
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MinggWait, so you're saying people are ignorant for having an opinion and their own interpretation of a flag?

The flag isn't necessarily a staple for slavery. 99% of people who fly it aren't doing so because they are racist or believe in slavery, at least from what I've seen. Maybe that's different in other parts but that's what it's like here. Then again NY is probably a bad example.

Anyways, it doesn't affect me so my opinion doesn't matter. I don't think flying it is usually a good idea but if someone feels strongly about their interpretation of the flag and they want to express that, then so be it. There's really nothing to be done to change their mind. Just gotta go with the flow and respect their beliefs without being judgmental.

That being said, anyone who still stands for slavery and uses the flag to show that is fucked and I disagree with that 100%.


so you're saying that those asshole kids in my northern New Hampshire high school who have confederate flags on their trucks and belt buckles do so because its some sort of "belief"? They're just trying to be rebellious rednecks because they're searching so desperately for an identity that they don't have. Yesterday, I heard a hick talking to another hick and he went, "Yeah, I hate black people!!! My dad told me they're stupid!"
Jun 22 2015 1:04PM
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Lonely
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1. Have yet to see Frenchy touch the Nazi stuff which is kinda funny and speaks to how he just used what fits his narrative
2. Also think this thread was 99% for attention. All he does is take the controversial point of view and watch as every one flips out
3. Frenchy still dumb as shit
Jun 22 2015 1:04PM
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JAHpow
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L_BBecause college professors are rarely wrong...

Arent you German?

Have you ever even been to the south?

Don't you have you're own ancestral/racial/war issues to worry about?


Haha why do you keep thinking I'm from Europe? You've asked me if I am before. I'm from Minnesota fyi.
Jun 22 2015 1:07PM
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louie.mirags
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The increase in popularity of pop country is what makes the confederate flag seem hip to the rednecks flying it in the northern states. Now just imagine you were the guy who created the line of confederate flag belt buckles! That dude must be a millionaire
Jun 22 2015 1:11PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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JAHpowHaha why do you keep thinking I'm from Europe? You've asked me if I am before. I'm from Minnesota fyi.


Oh im thinking of Jahbrador.

he was chill.

Unlike you.
Jun 22 2015 1:51PM
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JAHpow
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L_BOh im thinking of Jahbrador.

he was chill.

Unlike you.


Sorry that you're butthurt.
Jun 22 2015 2:08PM
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J.D.
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Jun 22 2015 2:12PM
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brov1
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this better be fuckin satirical frenchy
Jun 22 2015 2:30PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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.Hugo.If seeing a confederate flag actually bothers someone they are probably seeking out things to complain about. And if it truly does bother someone they need to get some thicker fucking skin. There are a hell of a lot worse things theyre gonna see/encounter over their lifetime


So if say New York State decided to fly a swastika above their capital building Jews shouldn't get offended?
Jun 22 2015 2:46PM
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ndye
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MinggI don't get offended by it and have no reason to be offended by it so I don't. I can see why others would which is why even if I did believe in those values I would never fly one. People are gonna do what they wanna do though and it's probably a good idea to know where they are coming from instead of accusing them of being racists. 99% of these people are not trying to offend anyone, they're just supporting their beliefs.


As someone who deals with racism on a relatively regular basis due to my job profession, even if it doesn't offend YOU, maybe its time to realize that the state capitol is not a place to say "This flag which represents a time and an ideology in which African Americans were not only mistreated but slaves, is okay to fly in the place that is meant to represent all people, is fine"

Fly it in your house, on your car, I don't give a shit, you can be stuck in old ways as much as you like. But when it comes to public buildings such as the capitol? Yeah thats a place the flag can fuck right off from.
Jun 22 2015 2:50PM
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.Hugo.
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Granite_StateSo if say New York State decided to fly a swastika above their capital building Jews shouldn't get offended?


I wouldnt, its a stupid piece of fabric and there are an infinite amount of more important things id rather worry about, like where i wanna go fishing on friday.
Jun 22 2015 3:00PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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.Hugo.I wouldnt, its a stupid piece of fabric and there are an infinite amount of more important things id rather worry about, like where i wanna go fishing on friday.


But you cant speak for everyone. A holocaust surviver that would see that may think differently. Same goes for black people. A black person with a history of slavery in their family living in SC might not like the fact that their state represents itself partially under that banner.

Fact is its not right for SC to fly that, and my main issue is it represents a failed rebellion/succession is a positive light. Its like flying the British flag at our capital.
Jun 22 2015 3:17PM
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CheddarJack
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.Hugo.It has zero effect on anyone but the person flying it


False. Flying the flag promotes the negative ideologies behind it and culture that stems from it.

.Hugo.I wouldnt, its a stupid piece of fabric and there are an infinite amount of more important things id rather worry about, like where i wanna go fishing on friday.


Writing off an issue like this because you like fishing more than politics (which I don't blame you for whatsoever), makes you a bigot. For the sake of the debate, for the sake of those arguing, and frankly for the sake of the country, just take a minute to truly think about the argument and form at least an informed opinion. If you're still on the defensive side of the argument, so be it. Just be it known that the activists will continue to try to change your mind until you do so.

That goes for anyone. I just used your quote as an example.
Jun 22 2015 3:35PM
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.Hugo.
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CheddarJackFalse. Flying the flag promotes the negative ideologies behind it and culture that stems from it.



Writing off an issue like this because you like fishing more than politics (which I don't blame you for whatsoever), makes you a bigot. For the sake of the debate, for the sake of those arguing, and frankly for the sake of the country, just take a minute to truly think about the argument and form at least an informed opinion. If you're still on the defensive side of the argument, so be it. Just be it known that the activists will continue to try to change your mind until you do so.

That goes for anyone. I just used your quote as an example.


I wouldnt say im a bigot, i just dont let something like an insignificant piece of fabric get under my skin. That flag only has as much power as the people outraged by it give it
Jun 22 2015 3:48PM
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