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New video edited on post-rock, yay or nay?

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StokeFactor
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Alright, so instead of going trough my bank of hip-hop songs I decided to edit this one on some post-rock, I'm pretty stoked on the result and think it ends up giving a best role to the broll shots, but I wanted to hear what you guys think about it.

Any feedback on color/filming/editing is more than welcomed, for the filming tho I already know that I'm too much on the right side of the skier, I seriously have to work on that next time haha.

Thanks alot guys! Password for the video is "edel"

https://vimeo.com/118874858
Feb 6 2015 1:34AM
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kemosabe
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Hmm. I liked the filming and skiing was entertaining but it wasn't anything special. I thought the music was poorly chosen and felt too slow, from hearing the song at the start, I thought it would one of those artsy slow motion edits which is cool but it did not match. But finding music is extremely difficult to match a edit or a type of skier. What frame rate did you use? It looks like 60 to me. Anyway the filming was good and editing was clean, but I do think that it was boring because of music and also your choice of angles which you already mentioned. You should also add some more skiers to make it fresh because that type of skier shown which is definitly skilled but if you see one you see them all. which is why I like a more creative skier and edit. Anyway filming was good and color correction was good enough that is not noticeable or annoying. Good job

Hopefully that was helpful for you. :)

What gear did you use to shoot this!
Feb 6 2015 2:17AM
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StokeFactor
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Marcus.AHmm. I liked the filming and skiing was entertaining but it wasn't anything special. I thought the music was poorly chosen and felt too slow, from hearing the song at the start, I thought it would one of those artsy slow motion edits which is cool but it did not match. But finding music is extremely difficult to match a edit or a type of skier. What frame rate did you use? It looks like 60 to me. Anyway the filming was good and editing was clean, but I do think that it was boring because of music and also your choice of angles which you already mentioned. You should also add some more skiers to make it fresh because that type of skier shown which is definitly skilled but if you see one you see them all. which is why I like a more creative skier and edit. Anyway filming was good and color correction was good enough that is not noticeable or annoying. Good job

Hopefully that was helpful for you. :)

What gear did you use to shoot this!


Thanks for the feedback! So by boring music do you mean a good old hip-hop edit would've fit better? And do you have any examples of those "artsy slow edits" ? Because to me this edit was more artsy and slow than what I usually do (altough I tried to keep it 50% slower shots and 50% faster/normal speed shots). For the skiers it's true that they pretty much fit the average "afterbang" freeskier but they're still young, I'm confident they'll developp their style eventually haha.

For the gear the edit was filmed with a canon t3i with the Canon 10-18 lens. I also used a Senal mic for the audio.
Thanks again
Feb 6 2015 2:51AM
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HarkStudios
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I think this would have worked, had the footage been creamy and smooth, (it was good but not creamy), and If the skier was always in the middle of the shot, a lot of the shots had the skier above you on a rail or a jump, and his head would not be in the shot. I think mixing between angles and getting close up with a few tripod shots (or just not moving) would help alot.

I think it worked okay, the music was good, but the filming did not match it. Most of the shots of him skiing were way too tight... Look into a Rokinon 8mm Fisheye for your camera (i assume you are using a DSLR) The fisheye would compliment this well.

I think had you gon as wide as possible it would have looked better.

Moral of the story: Using a steadycam as a followcam for skiing only works between 6-30mm...
Feb 6 2015 8:35AM
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HarkStudios
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It also ends very abruptly... Think about a slowfade to black, and blur in "Made By ______" and fade the music out. THat is how you make it end well, the ending feels forced like you ran out of time to edit and so you called it quits...
Feb 6 2015 8:45AM
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lIllI
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outaouais_reppinThanks for the feedback! So by boring music do you mean a good old hip-hop edit would've fit better? And do you have any examples of those "artsy slow edits" ? Because to me this edit was more artsy and slow than what I usually do (altough I tried to keep it 50% slower shots and 50% faster/normal speed shots). For the skiers it's true that they pretty much fit the average "afterbang" freeskier but they're still young, I'm confident they'll developp their style eventually haha.


I'm going to have to disagree with everyone here. Aesthetically, I love this style because the music doesn't distract from the skiing. When someone puts a blaring hip hop or electronic song in a ski edit, I usually turn it off within 10 seconds because everything just becomes a garbled mess. But then again, I prefer more atmospheric/minimalistic styles than "sporty" ones. Kudos on God is an Astronaut btw. Excellent band.

I think it's good stylistically, though I also think it needs to be tightened up a bit. A good way to do this is go through every second of each shot and ask yourself: "is this second necessary?" If the answer is no, cut it out.


EDolloStoneIf the skier was always in the middle of the shot


This is terrible advice. The subject should move across the frame deliberately and intelligently, not just mindlessly stay in the middle of the box (unless you're deliberately doing one point perspective, but that is still a mindful decision).
Feb 6 2015 11:10AM
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StokeFactor
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EDolloStoneI think mixing between angles and getting close up with a few tripod shots (or just not moving) would help alot.

I think it worked okay, the music was good, but the filming did not match it. Most of the shots of him skiing were way too tight... Look into a Rokinon 8mm Fisheye for your camera (i assume you are using a DSLR) The fisheye would compliment this well.


Thanks! For the stable shots and the fisheye shots that's a good idea, I already have a 8mm fisheye so mixing the two could be a good idea for next time. I'll also get closeups with my 50 mm, usually gives great second angle shots.

EDolloStoneIt also ends very abruptly... Think about a slowfade to black, and blur in "Made By ______" and fade the music out. THat is how you make it end well, the ending feels forced like you ran out of time to edit and so you called it quits...


The edit is not final thats why it's still private, I'm just asking for feedback before I edit my final version and add an outro, but yea the ending like it is right now is pretty terrible haha.

lIllII'm going to have to disagree with everyone here. Aesthetically, I love this style because the music doesn't distract from the skiing. When someone puts a blaring hip hop or electronic song in a ski edit, I usually turn it off within 10 seconds because everything just becomes a garbled mess. But then again, I prefer more atmospheric/minimalistic styles than "sporty" ones. Kudos on God is an Astronaut btw. Excellent band.

I think it's good stylistically, though I also think it needs to be tightened up a bit. A good way to do this is go through every second of each shot and ask yourself: "is this second necessary?" If the answer is no, cut it out.



Thanks man! For the cuts I usually just try to cut them to match the music, but some shots might need to be cut earlier. And for the preference for atmospheric/minimalistic styles that's also what I prefer, but unfortunately I find it way more difficult to do and unless it's super well done most people find it less interesting than hip-hop edits. Won't stop me from trying tho haha.

And if you like GIAA you could also try This Will Destroy You. Maybe you already know them, they are pretty awesome.
Feb 6 2015 12:16PM
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lIllI
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outaouais_reppinFor the cuts I usually just try to cut them to match the music



Editing shouldn't match the music - it should complement it. Don't focus so much on aligning cuts to beats; it gets boring very quickly and makes the overall cadence of the video seem very two-dimensional. The relationship between the cuts and the music should be like the relationship between a bass and lead guitar: rhythmically and melodically related, yet separate and weaving in and out of harmony.

This might be why you're having difficulty pulling off the atmospheric style. It's much more unforgiving because it requires a more psychologically-inclined form of editing. I think the reason why I dislike sporty music is because it often encourages people to cut to the beats, which is little more than a dead horse to me.
Feb 6 2015 12:32PM
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lIllI
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Forgot to mention - cuts are not the only signifiers you can use to "anchor" the video to the music. Gesture is a very powerful yet subtle cue to arrange off of.
Feb 6 2015 12:34PM
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StokeFactor
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lIllIEditing shouldn't match the music - it should complement it. Don't focus so much on aligning cuts to beats; it gets boring very quickly and makes the overall cadence of the video seem very two-dimensional. The relationship between the cuts and the music should be like the relationship between a bass and lead guitar: rhythmically and melodically related, yet separate and weaving in and out of harmony.

This might be why you're having difficulty pulling off the atmospheric style. It's much more unforgiving because it requires a more psychologically-inclined form of editing. I think the reason why I dislike sporty music is because it often encourages people to cut to the beats, which is little more than a dead horse to me.


lIllIForgot to mention - cuts are not the only signifiers you can use to "anchor" the video to the music. Gesture is a very powerful yet subtle cue to arrange off of.


Damn I'm so stoked on what you just said, it gives me an awesome challenge and the opportunity to play with a whole new type of editing.

Everyone I worked with and in school we're always insisting on cutting perfectly to the beat, probably because it's the best way to rapidly edit a satisfying promotional video for the average client.

Thanks for the advice!
Feb 6 2015 1:06PM
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lIllI
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outaouais_reppinEveryone I worked with and in school we're always insisting on cutting perfectly to the beat, probably because it's the best way to rapidly edit a satisfying promotional video for the average client.


Of course, video is an art like any other, so there are no rules really. It's just that that style of clinically cutting on the beat is very "amateur" and more times than not lacks substance. Hell, I'm just as guilty of it as the next guy. It took me like 8 years to realize what I just told you.

When it doubt, experiment!
Feb 6 2015 1:19PM
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HarkStudios
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EDolloStoneIf the skier was always in the middle of the shot,


lIllIThis is terrible advice. The subject should move across the frame deliberately and intelligently, not just mindlessly stay in the middle of the box (unless you're deliberately doing one point perspective, but that is still a mindful decision).




I dont mean, litterally in the middle of the shot, but you want head room for follow cams and what not.

You dont want to have the skier on a rail and have the rail be in the middle of the frame and have the top half of the skiers head out of the shot. It looks better if the skier stays in the frame (this is the same with arms and skis and whatnot, If his arm goes out of the frame it feels funny...

And yes i agree with IIIII that the subject should move accross the frame deliberately, but chopping the top of someones head off is a little distracting..
Feb 7 2015 12:59AM
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StokeFactor
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EDolloStoneI dont mean, litterally in the middle of the shot, but you want head room for follow cams and what not.

You dont want to have the skier on a rail and have the rail be in the middle of the frame and have the top half of the skiers head out of the shot. It looks better if the skier stays in the frame (this is the same with arms and skis and whatnot, If his arm goes out of the frame it feels funny...

And yes i agree with IIIII that the subject should move accross the frame deliberately, but chopping the top of someones head off is a little distracting..


I'm pretty sure we all agree that head chopping is something to avoid, I'm just still working on my filming with the 10-18.
Feb 7 2015 3:21AM
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HarkStudios
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Also, do you have a nifty fifty?

you need a 50mm f1.8 for some b-roll... Just my 2 cents..
Feb 7 2015 10:04AM
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HarkStudios
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Also, do you have a nifty fifty?

you need a 50mm f1.8 for some b-roll... Just my 2 cents..
Feb 7 2015 10:04AM
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StokeFactor
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EDolloStoneAlso, do you have a nifty fifty?

you need a 50mm f1.8 for some b-roll... Just my 2 cents..


Yes as mentionned earlier I have a 50mm, thanks for your advice
Feb 7 2015 12:43PM
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StokeFactor
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EDolloStoneAlso, do you have a nifty fifty?

you need a 50mm f1.8 for some b-roll... Just my 2 cents..


Yes as mentionned earlier I have a 50mm, thanks for your advice
Feb 7 2015 12:43PM
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