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Magic_CarveThe Meathammer is essentially a full reverse camber with the center portion flattened to assist landings, and the remaining rocker bits boosted up to turbo-charge carved takeoffs, and assist with pow-carves.
The AK (new since starting the thread) is a full reverse camber and not for landing airs on hardpack (due to instability of reverse camber.)
KneeDrop, not sure the vid you are referring, the best vid is Shake-a-leg, which is early-morning hardpack carving:
Pretty sure the issue with the shudder on outside ski is due to the tail section not tracking as intensely as the nose section due to it simply not being wide enough (I can just feel it.) When I ski the Heartslayer, I engage the entire edge, and if it's not all getting pressure evenly along the whole edge, it'll start shuddering on the slacker parts, ie the rear of the ski... you can see the rear of the ski wobbling around.
(This shudder doesn't happen in pow of course, but I'm sure with a wider tail, the tracks I leave in pow will be even tighter.)
The solution is pretty easy, widen the tail (or thin out the tip, which I don't want.) The wider tail should give the rear the hold it needs to track in balance with the front of the ski on hardpack.
Then I want a longer ski to get higher speed in pow (with the same overall shape.) That's the AK model and the one I envisage taking to Alaska with me at some point in the future (and doing some touring afterward for people who want to try it out.) -- basically the Meathammer with a full reverse camber and pushed up to around 195, maybe 2m. Mofo shit.
.Washingtonive read parts and pieces of this thread, but after watching that vid they look like they would do terrible at high speeds. youre bombing down, initiate a turn, and boom your now dead and tomahawking down the hill
.WashingtonThis thread has aids
SFButtholefor fucks sake man, you've tested the waters of NS and have been rejected multiple times. Maybe head over to TGR and get some different feedback
Heart_and_SoulWell, I posted it over there but they censored it... a while back.
You know, for all the work I put into the Colab comp. They didn't even send me (was it everyone?) an official thank-you letter, let alone a free copy of the DVD. They didn't even put my skiing into the warm-up video when the entries were being submitted. As I said somewhere else... just move on if you don't like the thread, you'll save a ton of energy letting it get you pissed off.
rozboonIf I wanted to see low speed skidded turns on short skis I would sit on the side of a beginner's run and watch a lesson full of children ski past. That's why your skiing didn't make it into anything.
Heart_and_SoulI really do appreciate your feedback, and will challenge you to a ski off if/when the opportunity arises..... do you have vids of you skiing?
rozboonWhat would you judge it on, who could generate the least sluff?
Heart_and_SoulIf it were pow, sluff would be a component... I think a good way to compare heartcarving is skiing a long groomer, and then having 3 criteria:
2) splitting the run into 3 columns, and counting how many times a person goes from 1st to 3rd column and back again (like a slalom)
3) calculating heart-rate at top and then bottom (the less change the better, and the lower the better... because adrenaline is bad and endorphins are good)
There could be subjective criteria like sluff and style, but the above would be the basis.
Further, I'd run this comp over multiple hours, like a marathon. I suspect racers would have a hard time sustaining themselves over a long period of time becuase of their burnt out thighs. The run should ideally be closed off to other skiers too.
There should also be music playing too, and you get bonus points for fist-pumping (in the air) in time with it.
JakeSmith*Note to mods: This hate and caps-lock is completely warranted and I love all of you beautiful green names :)
RudyGarmischI have to say, I actually love the fact that this thread causes so many NS'ers to freak out. Heartcarve goes against the mold of what skiers think skiing is... Much like freeskiing's early days.
Heart_and_SoulYeah.. how do you know what 99.5% of NS think? How do you know that no one will like HC'ing given only 1 person has ever tried it and he liked it on piste (but not on jumps)? How do you know racers think their style (or skis) are so perfect when they're under strict FIS rules regarding ski dimensions?
Anyway, when I skied NZ (including Mt Ruapehu) the problem with that trip was that whenever I asked anyone anything about anything, all I got was lies and misinformation. It must have been my Aussie accent or something. I just can't trust your opinion and there's no vids of you skiing.
OregonDeadIf I had the chance I'd try out the Heartcarve with an open mind. They are probably not real skis but I actually like some of the stuff the guy posts. Heartcarve guy if you're for real just bring a pair out to Hood and it will be no problem to get some honest reviews.
Heart_and_SoulYeah Roz, you're talking nonsense again. I don't even want to do you the favour and break it all down for you (again - like earlier in the thread where I did so already) because I'm not feeling any goodwill from you.
SmartTrying new things is always fun when it comes to ski design. Keep on thinking different man.
SurfboardYou just don't shut the fuck up, do you?
Heart_and_SoulWait, you've had an ACL injury and surf (or is that just false) and skate. Maybe you should be doing this. Then again, I'm not selling anything, no business. Maybe never.
Heart_and_SoulYeah, thx I hear you.
Also, the different types of woods really interest me. The Heartslayers ended up warping by the end of my trip (not majorly) but enough to warrant concern. I think snowboard guys would be aware of that problem because of the greater stresses a single board goes through while snowboarding rather than 2 skis. Also, having a reverse camber that is really dependable to hold shape over the life of the ski is another concern of mine, given a ski (from what I understand) only holds its camber due to the glue/resin holding it in place after having being set in the press (the wood is otherwise straight in profile before being pressed.) So that concerns me too because of wax irons potentially affecting the glue, and thus the camber. Also, if one is dealing with a reverse camber ski to be used on groomers, then there's going to be more stress than if just skiing pow all day. Lastly, ski upper edge protection - is that still common today?
btw, Craigs is open for factory tour.
PoikenzI'm curious as to what kind of warping you have experienced and how many hours you think you've put on your skis.
Heart_and_SoulThanks for that info... yeah they were custom built in France for $1700 and made of pine with oak sidewalls.
Heart_and_SoulSurfboard.. I'm getting a rozboon vibe from you where no matter what I say or do it won't be "right" for you. If you want love, don't just copy your heroes, because everyone else is. Be the best, or be the first. That's what Ice-T strives to do.
shin-bang - yeah, it's a bit out of hand.. there really needs to be new information or content to look at.. my stuff is from 2013... people need to try heartcarving on SL skis... why SL skis? Because if the radius isn't tight enough, you won't be feeling the G-forces as strongly enough that you need to in order to start playing with them... And if you aren't feeling inspired to do that.. go on a rollercoaster ride and think how you can translate that feeling onto skis.
Ryan, I'll have to slot you in on the Pimp Shit tour... I challenge anyone. But I want to get the heart-rates checked at top and bottom of runs and have multi-hour sessions.
shin-bangI actually really get your idea and see what crowd it would attract. I think it might be fun to try them, but I don't think I would ever buy them :/ good luck tho hear carve
liam_nowackiAs a sertified ski instructor this ski is terrible for your form. As a avid skier my advice to you is to shut the fuck up and try something else. This is not a good idea, you will fail stop.
liam_nowackiOh and your racist as shit
Heart_and_SoulThink about a turbo-charged car, needing high revs, and being the most at home on an autobahn (no top speed.)
Heart_and_SoulOne of the things I like about this ski is that you can (or should be able to) place even pressure along the front and back of the inside edges of both skis. That's unique, right? Excellent for control and feel.
Heart_and_SoulThe main problem there was the backseat position needed to always be on the sweet spot of the edge (and all skis really.) That's why forward waist skis I think are better (for what I want to do.)
rozboonThere's a good chance I've skied more skis this season than you have in your life, come back and lecture us on the future of skis when you've actually experienced a few of them.