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J.D.Personally I'd like to taze half the people in this thread.
Here is what apparently happened.
1. Dude was committing a minor criminal offence.
2. Police attempted to detain dude.
3. Dude resisted arrest.
4. Police officer subdued dude, using the method he was trained to use in these situations.
5. By some fluke (i.e. he had a health problem), this resulted in dude dying.
SCENE.
I'm not sure what you expect an officer to do other than exactly what he was trained to do in that situation. Unfortunately, sometimes even when you follow the correct procedures to the letter and do everything by the book, bad results occur. That's life.
k-robyou know what`s funny is that you guys always claim to know Fox News is a lot of lies and propaganda but in these recent cases all i see on newschoolers is a lot of agreeing with everything they have to say.
k-robit's also illegal to film the police murdering someone now, as the guy who filmed it so the whole world could see what these cowards did is now facing an indictment, what a joke.
k-roband this comes back to part of the problem, which is that these officers either aren't trained correctly, or are ignoring their training. i personally have been tazered twice in the chest while surrendering and crying and freezing outside in minus 30 degrees celsius, and then while i was unconscious my hand was stomped on and broken. however, that was canadian cops, and instead of just murdering me like an american cop would have have, they broke protocol in two ways, one being that they aimed for my torso, the other being that they hit me twice at the same time. i got the bill for the ambulance, which i wouldn't have needed if it wasn't for them, but the thing is, they can only send the bill to the police if i'd actually been charged with something, according to the stupid fucking law, so because i hadn't done anything wrong, i'm supposed to foot the bill. my mom wrote to our mayor and he got it paid off (i love my mom). anyway the point is that i could tell you 4 other times where cops have broken protocol and hospitalized me but canadian cops just aren't dumb or mean or racist enough to actually shoot me in the fucking head so thank glob my parents stayed here. i imagine that if i did live in the states i'd be too busy protesting to waste my time on newschoolers.
.Hugo.And this dude would have lived, but he happened to be overweight and was asthmatic. 99% of people would not have died if put in the same situation
yuckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J-SzqUqIEM
someone embed this for me
yuckalso i bet like 50% of americans are overweight and asthmatic. he didnt have some obscure, unforseeable medical condition. fat asthmatic people shouldnt be at risk of dying when theyre getting arrested, thats ridiculous.
cornholio"Police union officials and Pantaleo's lawyer have argued that the officer used a takedown move taught by the police department, not a chokehold, because he was resisting arrest and that Garner's poor health was the main reason he died."
cooperate with police and you won't find yourself in that situation. there's no way in hell the cop just walked up behind some random dude and choked him out. don't be a dipshit and stuff like this won't happen to you.
.Hugo.So because there is a chance someone has asthma they should be let go? Makes sense. Again it just comes down to him resisting.
saskskierI feel like you probably aren't telling us something.
I've been pulled over only a few times in my 14 years of driving and each time was because I did something wrong. I don't know anyone who has randomly been pulled over for DUI checks, let alone multiple times.
theabortionatorMaybe in 14 years of driving you haven't driven enough or are just lucky. You 100% can have a completely legal car, be doing the speed limit, driving fine, and get pulled over. It happens all the time. It's not even a rare occurrence
.Hugo.So because there is a chance someone has asthma they should be let go? Makes sense. Again it just comes down to him resisting.
CONAIR_BUSCEMIRelevant,
http://www.villagevoice.com/2012-03-07/news/the-nypd-tapes-confirmed/
yucknah thats not what im saying at all really. you can restrain an asthamtic person without killing them. there is a middle ground here that you dont seem to see. it lies somewhere between "letting them go" and "suffocating them"
MiomoThey didn't suffocate him. He died as a consequence of his asthma. Having your head pushed on the ground, having your body restrained with downward force -- those are well within proper protocol for arresting someone who's resisting.
How about you try to take someone down who weighs more than two and a half of you. Raise their center of gravity until they topple over. It just so happens that the neck/shoulder area is best for this.
J.D.Personally I'd like to taze half the people in this thread.
Here is what apparently happened.
1. Dude was committing a minor criminal offence.
2. Police attempted to detain dude.
3. Dude resisted arrest.
4. Police officer subdued dude, using the method he was trained to use in these situations.
5. By some fluke (i.e. he had a health problem), this resulted in dude dying.
SCENE.
I'm not sure what you expect an officer to do other than exactly what he was trained to do in that situation. Unfortunately, sometimes even when you follow the correct procedures to the letter and do everything by the book, bad results occur. That's life.
louie.miragsfuck it. Just skip the energy and shoot him next time. He was a criminal thug anyway. Why not?
louie.miragsHe was a criminal thug anyway. Why not?
.Hugo.Not a single person in this thread has said anything close to that
louie.miragsmore in response to how people are blaming the dude for dying. When he had his hands up and he gets choked out. If that is a technique to bring him down, fine. Enough to kill him though???? Also in response to the Ferguson case. Regardless if self-denfense or not, so many people saying he was a criminal anyway, and that's what you get for resisting arrest. People bringing up that he just robbed a store.
J.D.Personally I'd like to taze half the people in this thread.
Here is what apparently happened.
1. Dude was committing a minor criminal offence.
2. Police attempted to detain dude.
3. Dude resisted arrest.
4. Police officer subdued dude, using the method he was trained to use in these situations.
5. By some fluke (i.e. he had a health problem), this resulted in dude dying.
SCENE.
I'm not sure what you expect an officer to do other than exactly what he was trained to do in that situation. Unfortunately, sometimes even when you follow the correct procedures to the letter and do everything by the book, bad results occur. That's life.
gnarballsianmWhat were you doing to get tazed twice and get your hand broken?
VinnieFwasn't he arrested for unrelated weapons offences?
k-robcrying in the snow. nothing worth charging me over, every time (i don`t have a criminal record but have been hospitalized by police a few times), but then neither is murder, i guess.
Barefootin_FiendSomething tells me there's more to the story than just "crying in the snow".
