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Rossignol axial 2 or rossignol fks

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supersquid
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ok so ive been looking for bindings to put on my on3p filthy riches and im stuck between the rossi fks/look pivots (same binding) rossignol axial2 or the look px 12, btw are those two the same binding also. ive been reading on how the pivoting bindings prevent acl tears but they also break really easily and there alot more expensive. ive only been skiing for a year but can backflip are acl tears for more advanced skiers or is everyone vulnerable to them? im 5"9 175 so im a bit bigger and i ski with my marker squire dins at 8 and i rarely eject when i fall. any opinions would be nice also other binding suggestions would be nice to
Apr 3 2014 7:31PM
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SimplyClean
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In my opinion, if you've only been skiing for a year you don't need FKS's. Axial 2's are good bindings too, go with those for now.
Apr 3 2014 7:47PM
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PowPirate
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anyone can get an ACL tear it all depends on how you fall but if your spinning off kickers and charging all over the mountain at warp speed your going to increase your chances.

as far as the bindings go - what version of the fks are you looking at; the 12,14 or 18?
the 18 is super burly with a full metal housing, and has a bit of a cult following as well. then the 14 doesn't have as much metal just the heel piece i think? and the 12 will be new next year.

the problem with the fks (no matter which one) is the brakes, if they snap you will have to send it away to the manufacturer to repair as its not just something your local shop can do and this takes time.
apart from that they are some of the strongest bindings around.

i don't know much about the axial but i would strongly recommend the salomon STH driver2. they come in 13 din and a 16 din versions (16 being all metal) but what i like about them is that they are very reliable and if something does go wrong theres loads of spare parts available so its quick and easy to fix. they have lots of adjustment too so you can get a really solid fit.
Apr 3 2014 7:53PM
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supersquid
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ok cool ill probaby get the axials btw what do the sizes mean haha like xl xxl and xxxl stupid question probably haha just dont understand bindings that well
Apr 3 2014 7:57PM
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jca
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orrr you could just do it yourself.. it's not hard to do and spare fks brakes are fairly easy to find.
Apr 3 2014 7:58PM
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SimplyClean
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Since your skis have an 88mm waist (from what I just looked up), you will want the L size.

This is the brake width of the binding that you need to fit to your skis. According to backcountry.com the brake size L fits skis with 80mm - 90mm waist, so that's what you want.
Apr 3 2014 8:03PM
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supersquid
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alright thanks for clearing that up haha
Apr 3 2014 8:11PM
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MartianMan
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Get the FKS 120, comes out next year. And you can backflip after one year of skiing? Jesus.
Apr 3 2014 8:45PM
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s-hand
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fyi pivots/fks do nothing to prevent acl tears.  thats a NS myth
Apr 3 2014 11:04PM
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uyghur
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why not?
Apr 4 2014 12:59AM
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jadavis
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You'd almost have to try to tear your ACL with your DIN at 8 unless your legs are noodles.
Apr 4 2014 4:06AM
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jadavis
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You'd almost have to try to tear your ACL with your DIN at 8 unless your legs are noodles.
Apr 4 2014 4:07AM
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tomPietrowski
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Same as any other binding they will release at a point determined by the din setting. They will in no way be safer the only binding which can claim that I the knee.

Pretty much the rest in this thread is good info.

And I second te vote for sth2
Apr 4 2014 5:11AM
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freeski1620
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You spent some $$$ on the ski. Do the same on the binding and get FKS.

That way you're not regretting your choice of axial 2 weeks in.

More importantly though. If god rode a ski binding it would be the look pivot. That should be all you need to know right thurrr.
Apr 4 2014 9:26PM
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last_tango
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With how hard you claim you are riding I would go fks14. With how fast you are progressing I think you are going to run into durability issues with the px12 in the heels.

If you are on a budget check out the tyrolia attack 13. I'm not a supporter of the sth. They release at the right time and get really dialed onto your boots but I have to make binding adjustments after a week of skiing in the toes. The adjustments come loose way too often.
Apr 4 2014 9:52PM
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ThundaKilla
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Either FKS 120/140, I have PX12s (Axial2) on my rock skis and I blew up the brakes 6 times over the last two seasons. My FKS 180 brakes haven't broken yet after two years, only bend a bit after a bad switch fall.
I believe that PX/Axials have a worse brake housing problem than FKS. Everytime I break a set it's in the same spot, too much plastic and not enough metal where it needs to be.
Apr 4 2014 10:25PM
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supersquid
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yeah i hear what your saying i do ride rails alot more than jumps so im not landing super hard i pretty much want something that will hold up for a year and ive heard about a bunch of people who have ripped out the heal on the fks
Apr 4 2014 11:46PM
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tomPietrowski
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If your looking on a budget and I'm guessing your quite young the attack 13 will be by far your best bet. They are great bindings and cheap. Also much easier to maintain then an fks and much lighter then an axial.

If you just want a binding you can mount and forget about go for the attack.
Apr 5 2014 6:32AM
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s-hand
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Bindings, contrary to popular belief, are not designed to prevent ACl injuries.  When "safety" bindings first came out, they were designed to prevent tib/fib/ankle fractures.  Since then, bindings have have gotten better at accomplishing this task, but with the exception of startups like KneeBinding, still do not release in the degrees necessary to prevent ACl tears.  The mechanism of injury is totally different in an ACL tear, and therefore additional degrees of release freedom would be needed to truly help ACLs. 

So, technically, you could tear your ACL with your din set at 3 if you fall the wrong way.
Apr 6 2014 9:16PM
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Donman415
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FKS for sure
Apr 14 2014 5:20PM
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TOAST.
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Go with FKS, they DO NOT prevent ACL tears, but they are less likely to have unwanted release. Your heel does not release laterally from them. They have the turntable to increase the movement before release.

Axial2/px12 break fairly easy. I dont ski that hard and I have broken 4 px12 heels. The track in the back always cracks.
Apr 14 2014 6:04PM
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.nasty
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well considering a dude who recently bought px12's (same thing as axial) from the shop I work at brought it back in for the second time with a cracked baseplate, I'd say definitely go for the FKS. you'll thank me later
Apr 14 2014 6:54PM
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s-hand
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TOAST.Go with FKS, they DO NOT prevent ACL tears, but they are less likely to have unwanted release. Your heel does not release laterally from them. They have the turntable to increase the movement before release.

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Apr 14 2014 8:52PM
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