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niklaus1z
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Hi, has anyone used these?

i have a pair of line chronics 2013 (171) and a pair of k2 recoil 2014 (174). one pair of attack 16's. both unmounted. im thinking of putting the attacks on one of them at either the midsole (chronic) or the traditional mount on the k2s. then some schizos to play around with a centre mount +- on the other.

The attacks are really nice - pretty light and low to the ski. will the schizo feel as good? being able to move them seems like a really nice idea.

im 6ft and 150lbs.

Any thoughts on the bindings / which on which would be good (the skis were almost give away in the sales - thats why i have two)

Mar 28 2014 5:05AM
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MLJ
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Threads cause Im getting the schizo in a couple days. Ill come back and compare them to the griffons, my previous bindings.
Mar 28 2014 5:23AM
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Brule.
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This belongs in Gear Talk.
Mar 28 2014 5:49AM
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niklaus1z
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yep sorry - added it to gear talk...
Mar 28 2014 6:44AM
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LC.
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I've used the original 09/10 Jester Schizo (the "bad" one) on one of my setups for 4 years, about 120 days use. They've been fine.

It's only really worth getting them if you really want to be at true centre some days and -3 to -6 on other days, not for "playing around" with the position. Otherwise just mount a normal binding in a suitable spot.
Mar 28 2014 10:19AM
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NMMedia
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I had the Squire shizo. They worked well for a couple seasons, but then one of the tracks they slide on completely cracked and fell off, rendering the binding useless. I'm not sure if the construction of the Jester version of the sliding track is more sturdy (hopefully it is for the price dif).
Mar 28 2014 12:19PM
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freeski1620
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Its demo binding disguised as a retail binding that they charge you more for.

You could get the same movement out of a demo binding. maybe go ask your local shop if they have any extras sitting around and save yourself some $$$
Mar 28 2014 1:22PM
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LC.
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...and have to check the forward pressure ever time you move it. One extra step, but an extra step. Tricky to do if you're on your own on the mountain wearing your boots. The Schizo serves a purpose.
Mar 28 2014 1:52PM
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tomPietrowski
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This is spot on. Schizos may function like a demo but they are set up so that you only need adjust once as boax said.

I would still say go for a regular binding though. Most people I know with them admit they never really move them as most skis do have a sweet spot in terms of mount point.
Mar 28 2014 1:57PM
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niklaus1z
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Thanks for the replies. The reason I'm thinking about them is I'm just not 100% sure where to mount them. I suppose I could mount the recoils center and remount if it's not good
Mar 28 2014 3:02PM
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tomPietrowski
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Honestly I would and have done that. A few of my skis I have remounted to change the position as I did not like them where tey were. I would rather a remount and a solid binding then the ability to move a less solid binding.
Mar 28 2014 3:08PM
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niklaus1z
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I have the attack 16s which I really like- any other bindings I should think about for the second skis?
Mar 28 2014 4:06PM
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Muggydude
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I have both griffon and jester schizos on two pairs of skis, as well as some regular jesters on my pow skis. IMO if you ski both park and all mountain regularly- they are worth it. My daily driver is the ON3P JMO- which is a pretty versatile ski. But with the schizo they can function as a pretty darn good park ski, and a decent pow ski as well- all by going from center mount to back 4-6 cm for pow. A lot of time I will only change the mount position at the beginning of the day, depending on the snow conditions. Sometimes at lunch. But I've been really glad I had them many days. Really improves the performance of the skis in specific applications- i.e. pow, trees, jumps, rails, moguls etc- I find I like difference positions for most all of them. That's me.

I don't notice the weight- they are about as heavy as pivot 18s, so not bad. As a pure park binding I wouldn't recommend, but for someone who actually does everything they are awesome. I'm a big guy and ski really hard, never had any durability issues after 2 seasons.

And people say they never get around to moving them- well IMO that's stupid. Literall take 30 seconds at lunch or whatever- skis are already off, just keep a screwdriver in your backpack or go to a tool bench. Instantly go from morning pow ski to afternoon park ski.
Mar 28 2014 5:03PM
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freeski1620
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Fundamental reason I do not like the schizo:

Its only attached to the ski in 1 place. The front adjustment track. The heel floats on the track it is on. It's not actually attached to the ski. What happens if that track in the toe strips out when you really need that ski?

You're gonna have a bad time. Just get the alpine and decide on a mounting point!
Mar 28 2014 9:04PM
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MLJ
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I second this. Although I haven't used them for more than a week, I have adjusted the bindings at least 4-5 times for skiing slushy pow and back again for the park, and it really makes the difference to the performance of the ski. I would say that they are mostly useful if you are going for the one ski quiver, as you can have a park ski and a pow ski at the same time with this, but if you already have a park ski or a pow ski, I don't think it's worth getting them because of the added weight.

Obviously though I can't really comment on durability, but I would challenge what the guy above said about the rails. The front piece is attached to the rail really solidly, so I doubt they will strip quickly unless you constantly take the toe piece off and put it on, as this is what creates the most abrasion.
Apr 6 2014 11:22AM
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