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ABallsI've always been weary about the big compound exercises. I tend to stay away from anything back loaded due to fear of injury. Like louie said, if you dont have perfect form while squatting there is a chance you will experience a problem.

ABallsI've always been weary about the big compound exercises. I tend to stay away from anything back loaded due to fear of injury. Like louie said, if you dont have perfect form while squatting there is a chance you will experience a problem.

louie.miragsThe PF around me just got rid of the barbell squat bar and only have smith (J) machines.. The squatting took a few times to get used to it on an assisted bar.

saskskierUnless it was literally the only gym around, that would be a deal breaker and even then, I wouldn't use a smith machine. I'm not using anything that forces an unnatural movement. A straight bar path is not natural, even if you have perfect form. You can't force the same bar path for every application (high bar vs. low bar vs. front, oly vs. power, etc) and physiology (long limbs/short torso, long torso/short limbs, flexibility, etc). That's asking for injury.

louie.miragsMake sure your form is perfect.. A lot of little details go into a great squat

tusken_assraidermake sure all your joints are lined up properly and you are driving through your heels, people tend to forget form a bit leg pressing as it doesn't have such immediate consequences as with a squat. is it happening every time you leg press or is it just this session? occasionally i get a bit of joint pain but nothing serious

urbanjibTo poster that was talking about the knee problem, check your form. You may need to lower the weight down in able to correctly press that. If not your form, then maybe more warm up.

juicedrummer11My form is pretty good. I'm sure it's not perfect but I always drive through my heels back straight chest out my knees right above my toes and right down to parallel. I've had light joint pain before from heavy days but nothing I couldn't ever finish a set from. Today when it started hurting I was only doing 135 after a bit of a jogging warm up even. I usually rep about 225 for this workout but I hardly got a full set at 135 warming up.

I may need to just warm up a bit more now that I'm sitting at a desk for work all day and I'm wondering if that could be the case

saskskierUnless it was literally the only gym around, that would be a deal breaker and even then, I wouldn't use a smith machine. I'm not using anything that forces an unnatural movement. A straight bar path is not natural, even if you have perfect form. You can't force the same bar path for every application (high bar vs. low bar vs. front, oly vs. power, etc) and physiology (long limbs/short torso, long torso/short limbs, flexibility, etc). That's asking for injury.

louie.miragsYep I definitely agree. It does not feel proper at all. Another bad exercise is tricep press since it is not a straight motion up. Golds gym is supposed to be reopening, it's built, supposedly management problems. I'll gladly pay the extra money when it opens

louie.miragsThe gym blows at 6pm.. Way too packed. It's so heavenly at 6am

californiagrownHuh? Let's not get carried away now

louie.miragsCarried away how? Tricep press doesn't feel right on the smith machine. Either do squats. What is wrong with my observation?

louie.miragsCarried away how? Tricep press doesn't feel right on the smith machine. Either do squats. What is wrong with my observation?

ABallsI agree, It's impossible for a tripep press to feel normal on a smith machine, if you look at the way the bar moves when doing a scullcrusher you can see why. The smith machine just won't move that way.

Benching doesn't mean anything but I finally put up 200 the other day which was my goal weight for hockey. Considering my arm length that's pretty good for me.

Also, when using the weighted rowing machine (not the one for cardio) are you supposed to keep your body still and isolate the back muscles or make it a full body motion like and actual row? Typically I'll do 2 sets of each.

californiagrownSmith machines and machines in general are very useful tools in the gym. To say otherwise is idiotic. Yo don't use a hammer to break concrete but a jackhammer sure won't help you build a house.

Pick the correct tools for the application. I personally prefer to use a smithith machine for a variety of movements because I can actively shut of stabilizers and focus purely on what I want to hit.

As for tricep pressing movements, there are a lot of folks who prefer doing guillotine press and close grip bench on a smith.

A smith machine isn't all bad, anyone who thinks so is either stupid, or very close minded.

louie.miragsWoah man... Relax with the name calling! I don't prefer it for tricep and squat. It's going to be ok I promise :)

I do use it for squatting though because I have no other choice. I also use it for back rows, shoulder press, incline and regular chest press. I have no other choice at pf right now.

This is a thread for workout advice. When it comes to lifting weights it can be itimidating to ask because of people like you.

californiagrownWhen someone(yourself) gives bad advice, it should be called out as bad advice. this is a workout advice thread, correct? If you don't know about something, you should probably refrain from giving advice on it.

When it comes to lifting weights it can be very difficult to get good advice becasue of people like you.

louie.miragsWoah dude.. What the fuck is wrong with you right now? I was complaining about pf and lack of free weights. No advice. What did your girlfriend break up with you or something? You sound like a total dick. Sounds like you need a workout or a joint or something..

louie.miragsWoah dude.. What the fuck is wrong with you right now? I was complaining about pf and lack of free weights. No advice. What did your girlfriend break up with you or something? You sound like a total dick. Sounds like you need a workout or a joint or something..

californiagrownWhy are you so angry? You gave blanket advice that was bad. I said it was bad, explained why, and you began to attack me with personal insults.

This is a workout advice thread, correct? That's what you just said. Why not keep the personal attacks out of it, stuff your ego, and contribute helpful advice. And try to learn when someone explains why your advice is wrong.

cobra_commanderAlso, there is no such thing as perfect form. Such a myth. Go watch a bunch of really good squatters (ie: Olympic lifters and power lifters) and see if they all squat the same. Hint: they don't.
My body is different from yours, and different from rippetoes. We gonna squat differently. High bar, low bar, wide stance, narrow stance, close grip, wide grip, green jacket, gold jacket, up and down and bitch about the details on your Instagrams.

ec_jibberIs whey protein powder alright to take for someone who doesnt lift weights? I run, bike, and do ab exercises/pushups and want to get leaner. Will I get results taking it or is it strictly for bodybuilders?

Toasty.Me personally I would say yes. You could try BCAA's as well while you run/bike

ec_jibberIs whey protein powder alright to take for someone who doesnt lift weights? I run, bike, and do ab exercises/pushups and want to get leaner. Will I get results taking it or is it strictly for bodybuilders?

cobra_commanderHow the fuck is whey protein going to get you results. It's a supplement, not a diet or workout regime.

ec_jibberIts a source of protein so I figured it wouldn't hurt to add a shake into my diet.. Or am I using it for the wrong purpose?

cobra_commanderDo you need to add protein to your diet?

ec_jibberYeah thats my main intention for using it. All I'm wondering is can it be used to fill the protein gap in my diet or is it intended to be used for only building muscle mass?

ec_jibberYeah thats my main intention for using it. All I'm wondering is can it be used to fill the protein gap in my diet or is it intended to be used for only building muscle mass?

californiagrownJudging by your posts(may or may not be correct), adding any supplements other than a good multivitamin and fish oil would be a waste of money. You dont train enough to build any kind of muscle mass, and the rest of your diet is probly not real conducive to building muscle either.

You say you want to build up your core and get some muscle mass? how are you going about training for that? what does the rest of your diet look like?

Supplements are meant to SUPPLEMENT your already very good diet and training program. Get that stuff in order first, and then worry about what supps to take.

ec_jibberMy diet is actually pretty good I'm already eating a lot of eggs, yogurt, chicken, tuna, etc. but some days I'm not getting enough protein. I figured if I added more protein to my diet I'll be able to gain more muscle in my abs/core. Should I not even bother with whey and just try and get protein from other foods? That shit definitely isn't cheap.

californiagrownwhats your training like?

ec_jibberMy diet is actually pretty good I'm already eating a lot of eggs, yogurt, chicken, tuna, etc. but some days I'm not getting enough protein. I figured if I added more protein to my diet I'll be able to gain more muscle in my abs/core. Should I not even bother with whey and just try and get protein from other foods? That shit definitely isn't cheap.

CalebTheKillian2 years ago I was extremely weak...like 5 reps of 45 lbs lolol
Anyways, I lifted last year in the fall and the winter and I played baseball in the spring. I had Bench Press - 100, Squat - 120, and deadlift - 130. The cool thing was that we do this dot drill thing and I have the fastest time at my school. Anyways, I lifted all this summer and I maxed out a few weeks ago.
21" vertical, 8' 2" standing long jump, 0:46 dot drill, Bench Press - 130, Squat - 170, Deadlift - 170. I could have done more in all the lifts but we only get 3 attempts and I haven't maxed out since like February. I haven't deadlifted since though because I hurt my back doing so. I might just stay away from maxing out on deadlift ever again because I always seem to hurt myself doing so. This is my goal to reach before ski season starts: Bench Press - 180, Squat - 250, Deadlift - N/A, Dot Drill - 0:43

JayDopeim assuming youre pretty young, when i was your age and lifting for baseball we did pretty similar standard lifts like that as well. Ill put it as simple as this, STOP 1 REP maxing. Your body is fully developed yet and you will end up hurting yourself like you did on the deadlift. Stick to 3 rep maxes. By hurting your back on the deadlift also shows there is probably not much instruction in your lifting routine and most likely doing more than just the deadlifts improper. I train many young athletes at the physical therapy office i work at. I have a strong emphasis on form when doing lifts such as deadlifts, squats, clean and presses etc.. Keep up the good work though, and start back at some light weight with the deadlifts.

cobra_commanderWhy would you DL for baseball?

Granted, you're really weak, but baseball does not require a high GPP. Your primary work should be done on the ball field, batting cage, etc... After that working to improve your 30-100m sprint. Last work on your overall strength with more direct work like squats, shoulder strength, rotational strength, etc.
I'd work more on hypertrophy work too. I wouldn't do 3rm's either. Maybe 5rm, but more just work up to heavy sets of 6-12.

I wouldn't touch a conventional deadlift either. It would take away from your ability to put effort out in more important areas.

CalebTheKillianAlso, I could care less about how strong my arms are, I just want strong legs!

cobra_commanderWhy would you DL for baseball?

Granted, you're really weak, but baseball does not require a high GPP. Your primary work should be done on the ball field, batting cage, etc... After that working to improve your 30-100m sprint. Last work on your overall strength with more direct work like squats, shoulder strength, rotational strength, etc.
I'd work more on hypertrophy work too. I wouldn't do 3rm's either. Maybe 5rm, but more just work up to heavy sets of 6-12.

I wouldn't touch a conventional deadlift either. It would take away from your ability to put effort out in more important areas.

californiagrownEhh, I like deadlfts and squats as the foundation for any sport specific trainng program. I'm a believer that you need to be brutally strong to be super quick, and heavy pulling and squating will no doubt get you really fucking strong.

That said, I'm not a huge fan of lifting in a low rep range for younger kids. And I don't believe in pulling for more than 3 reps haha sooooooo yeah.

saskskierAgreed. There aren't many athletes out there who are like,"Man, I would be so much better if I wasn't stronger." Obviously there are exceptions, but not a ton.