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The Official: "What is wrong with my boots?" Thread

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onenerdykid
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This thread should be seen as an accompaniment to the "How To Buy Ski Boots" thread, more specifically aimed at solving a problem with your existing ski boots. Rather than clog up Gear Talk with countless repeating threads, please dump your boot-fitting related questions here and we will do our best to help you out.

Remember, nothing is a substitute for going to a real boot-fitter; they can see your foot, we can't. So if you can't get to a boot-fitter, or are frustrated with your current one, we can help point you in the right direction. Try to be as descriptive of your problem as possible and post pics if you can. The more information we get from you, the more successful we will hopefully be in helping you out.

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onenerdykid
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bump for shops getting their new boots in stock
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So pumped. Saved up and I'm finally getting new boots fitted by a bootfitter this season. Probably going to Inner Bootworks in Stowe.
Oct 5 2015 8:21PM
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onenerdykid
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Who actually doesn't have problems with their boots? How did arrive at that? By blind luck? By the grace of a fitter?
Oct 29 2015 4:06AM
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kvan
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Actually now that you mention it, I've got a pressure point on my outer shin on my right boot. They're brand new and only have rode them once.. Is that just the process of getting used to a new boot/breaking them in or should I get them checked out?
Oct 29 2015 10:01AM
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onenerdykid
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ec_jibberActually now that you mention it, I've got a pressure point on my outer shin on my right boot. They're brand new and only have rode them once.. Is that just the process of getting used to a new boot/breaking them in or should I get them checked out?


There are definitely a few potential causes for this pressure.

1. Do you have footbeds?
2. Were the liners heat molded?

If you don't have footbeds, your ankle will rotate inwards which in turn causes your leg to rotate inwards. This means the outside of your shin isn't positioned where it should be in the liner. This could very will be the cause of the pressure point.

If you do have footbeds, and you did not get the liner heat molded then there is a good chance the pressure is due to not having the liner shape match the shape of your leg. Getting them heat molded will definitely help or solve the issue.

If you do have footbeds and you did get the liner heat molded, then it is probably just a case of the liner needing to break in bit more and/or just getting used to being in ski boots again after not having them on for a few months.
Oct 29 2015 10:53AM
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kvan
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onenerdykidThere are definitely a few potential causes for this pressure.

1. Do you have footbeds?
2. Were the liners heat molded?

If you don't have footbeds, your ankle will rotate inwards which in turn causes your leg to rotate inwards. This means the outside of your shin isn't positioned where it should be in the liner. This could very will be the cause of the pressure point.

If you do have footbeds, and you did not get the liner heat molded then there is a good chance the pressure is due to not having the liner shape match the shape of your leg. Getting them heat molded will definitely help or solve the issue.

If you do have footbeds and you did get the liner heat molded, then it is probably just a case of the liner needing to break in bit more and/or just getting used to being in ski boots again after not having them on for a few months.

Yo thanks for the speedy response. The liners were heat molded and I don't have footbeds. If the problem continues then I'll definitely look into some footbeds but for now I guess I'll just keep riding with them to get a long term report.
Oct 29 2015 11:23AM
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Ben.
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onenerdykidThere are definitely a few potential causes for this pressure.

1. Do you have footbeds?
2. Were the liners heat molded?

If you don't have footbeds, your ankle will rotate inwards which in turn causes your leg to rotate inwards. This means the outside of your shin isn't positioned where it should be in the liner. This could very will be the cause of the pressure point.

If you do have footbeds, and you did not get the liner heat molded then there is a good chance the pressure is due to not having the liner shape match the shape of your leg. Getting them heat molded will definitely help or solve the issue.

If you do have footbeds and you did get the liner heat molded, then it is probably just a case of the liner needing to break in bit more and/or just getting used to being in ski boots again after not having them on for a few months.


I have Superfeet footbeds. Not the full custom jobs, but trim to fit and they did look at my feet first to figure out which arch fit I needed. And yes they were heat molded.

Id like to think it was just getting used to being in boots, but Ive lost my big toe nails on both feet the past two years.
Nov 11 2015 7:35PM
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Ben.
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Ben.I have Superfeet footbeds. Not the full custom jobs, but trim to fit and they did look at my feet first to figure out which arch fit I needed. And yes they were heat molded.

Id like to think it was just getting used to being in boots, but Ive lost my big toe nails on both feet the past two years.


Lol Im an idiot and though this was in answer to my question I posted in the other thread. Onenerdykid if you could take a look at my question too when you get a chance, that would be great.

Here it is.

I only ski a few days a year now, but Ive been having brutal toe bang in my boots the past few years. I was properly shell fit, and don't feel like my foot is moving in the boot at all, on top of that last year I went and had them modify the heel padding for better hold, that still didnt make a difference. I get toe bang even when landing square, which makes me think i just need a little more space in the big toe area. Gonna take my boots in to get the toe area punched out soon, anything i should know before I go get it done?
Nov 11 2015 7:37PM
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onenerdykid
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Ben.Lol Im an idiot and though this was in answer to my question I posted in the other thread. Onenerdykid if you could take a look at my question too when you get a chance, that would be great.

Here it is.

I only ski a few days a year now, but Ive been having brutal toe bang in my boots the past few years. I was properly shell fit, and don't feel like my foot is moving in the boot at all, on top of that last year I went and had them modify the heel padding for better hold, that still didnt make a difference. I get toe bang even when landing square, which makes me think i just need a little more space in the big toe area. Gonna take my boots in to get the toe area punched out soon, anything i should know before I go get it done?


Haha, happens to the best of us. What boot do you have and what liner is in it? Quite often the shape of the toe box (radius around the big toe) and the shape of your big toe are not the same. This problem is exacerbated if the liner is too thick or too hard in this area. Usually it is an easy fix through a combination of shell punching and liner mods. If you have an intuition liner, it can be modified/compressed/stretched a lot easier than a traditional liner.

Additionally, if your footbed isn't doing a great job of supporting your foot, even a couple of millimeters of arch elongation can lead to super painful toe bang. So make sure your boot-fitter checks that as well.
Nov 12 2015 3:07AM
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The.Fish
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Im a runner coming off shin splints this fall. I am planning on getting foobeds this season to help improve my support like my physical therapist said. Ive heard rumors that your feet will fit your current boots completely different. My feet are unusual wide and I have dabello voodoos 2011 i think that are 103 wide and my feet currently have pressure against the side. Will footbeds increase this problem? Oh btw i need footbeds for arch support mainly and not heel problems. Thank you
Nov 14 2015 2:27PM
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onenerdykid
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cjt121099Im a runner coming off shin splints this fall. I am planning on getting foobeds this season to help improve my support like my physical therapist said. Ive heard rumors that your feet will fit your current boots completely different. My feet are unusual wide and I have dabello voodoos 2011 i think that are 103 wide and my feet currently have pressure against the side. Will footbeds increase this problem? Oh btw i need footbeds for arch support mainly and not heel problems. Thank you


Generally speaking, a footbed will properly re-position your foot inside the ski boot so yes it will change how your boots fit. Usually this is for the better. Sometimes, depending on the foot, your boot might feel a bit worse but only because the shape of your foot does not match the shape of the shell now. All this means is that the shell needs to be stretched or ground around that spot and you will be good to go.
Nov 14 2015 2:36PM
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Ben.
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onenerdykidHaha, happens to the best of us. What boot do you have and what liner is in it? Quite often the shape of the toe box (radius around the big toe) and the shape of your big toe are not the same. This problem is exacerbated if the liner is too thick or too hard in this area. Usually it is an easy fix through a combination of shell punching and liner mods. If you have an intuition liner, it can be modified/compressed/stretched a lot easier than a traditional liner.

Additionally, if your footbed isn't doing a great job of supporting your foot, even a couple of millimeters of arch elongation can lead to super painful toe bang. So make sure your boot-fitter checks that as well.


Full Tilt High Fives, so Ive got Intuitions.

Ill definitely make sure they work with both the shell and the liner. Have them take a look at the footbed too, like I said they are superfeet trim to fits so they are semi-custom but I didnt get the full custom beds.

Gotta find some fix, losing toe nails sucks haha.
Nov 14 2015 3:02PM
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My boots feel like they're squeezing together my toes and forefoot, but the fit feels fine everywhere else around the foot. Should I go to a shop and have them punched out to make room for my toes, or should I try to heat mold a little extra space on my own first? I'm wearing 2013 full tilt Tom wallischs with no footbeds because I am poor.

Also, my toes touch the end of the boot if I stop giving forward pressure, and still touch lightly with my weight forward, kind of like my toe doesn't match the curve of the liner. Is this fitting correctly or should I also try to get some extra space lengthwise? Or should I opt for a trim to fit instead?

Thanks for any help!
Nov 15 2015 4:09AM
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keque
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My boots feel like they're squeezing together my toes and forefoot, but the fit feels fine everywhere else around the foot. Should I go to a shop and have them punched out to make room for my toes, or should I try to heat mold a little extra space on my own first? I'm wearing 2013 full tilt Tom wallischs with no footbeds because I am poor.

Also, my toes touch the end of the boot if I stop giving forward pressure, and still touch lightly with my weight forward, kind of like my toe doesn't match the curve of the liner. Is this fitting correctly or should I also try to get some extra space lengthwise? Or should I opt for a trim to fit instead?

Thanks for any help!
Nov 15 2015 4:10AM
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keque
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My boots feel like they're squeezing together my toes and forefoot, but the fit feels fine everywhere else around the foot. Should I go to a shop and have them punched out to make room for my toes, or should I try to heat mold a little extra space on my own first? I'm wearing 2013 full tilt Tom wallischs with no footbeds because I am poor.

Also, my toes touch the end of the boot if I stop giving forward pressure, and still touch lightly with my weight forward, kind of like my toe doesn't match the curve of the liner. Is this fitting correctly or should I also try to get some extra space lengthwise? Or should I opt for a trim to fit instead?

Thanks for any help!
Nov 15 2015 4:10AM
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kequeMy boots feel like they're squeezing together my toes and forefoot, but the fit feels fine everywhere else around the foot. Should I go to a shop and have them punched out to make room for my toes, or should I try to heat mold a little extra space on my own first? I'm wearing 2013 full tilt Tom wallischs with no footbeds because I am poor.

Also, my toes touch the end of the boot if I stop giving forward pressure, and still touch lightly with my weight forward, kind of like my toe doesn't match the curve of the liner. Is this fitting correctly or should I also try to get some extra space lengthwise? Or should I opt for a trim to fit instead?

Thanks for any help!


Kind of confused what you are saying but I was having issues with my toes. I put a heel lift in the bottom of my liners and it gave me a little more room in the front. Just go to your local shop you can probably find some for like 5 bucks.
Nov 15 2015 4:28AM
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onenerdykid
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kequeMy boots feel like they're squeezing together my toes and forefoot, but the fit feels fine everywhere else around the foot. Should I go to a shop and have them punched out to make room for my toes, or should I try to heat mold a little extra space on my own first? I'm wearing 2013 full tilt Tom wallischs with no footbeds because I am poor.

Also, my toes touch the end of the boot if I stop giving forward pressure, and still touch lightly with my weight forward, kind of like my toe doesn't match the curve of the liner. Is this fitting correctly or should I also try to get some extra space lengthwise? Or should I opt for a trim to fit instead?

Thanks for any help!


Well not having footbeds is a huge problem. Your foot will naturally expand and elongate when you apply weight to it and this is probably why you are experiencing pressure at the front of the boot. In the right size and shape boot for your foot, a footbed holds your foot in place not allowing it to expand and elongate.

It could also very well be that you are in the wrong boot for your footshape. Were you fit specifically for these boots or did you want them and pick them out yourself?
Nov 15 2015 6:12AM
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keque
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onenerdykidWell not having footbeds is a huge problem. Your foot will naturally expand and elongate when you apply weight to it and this is probably why you are experiencing pressure at the front of the boot. In the right size and shape boot for your foot, a footbed holds your foot in place not allowing it to expand and elongate.

It could also very well be that you are in the wrong boot for your footshape. Were you fit specifically for these boots or did you want them and pick them out yourself?


I tried them on and bought them online during a sale. Should have known that they would be too narrow in the forefoot but I didn't know enough at the time.



Is it worth it to sink money into fixing the boot then? I like the fit except for my toes.
Nov 15 2015 1:21PM
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keque
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onenerdykidWell not having footbeds is a huge problem. Your foot will naturally expand and elongate when you apply weight to it and this is probably why you are experiencing pressure at the front of the boot. In the right size and shape boot for your foot, a footbed holds your foot in place not allowing it to expand and elongate.

It could also very well be that you are in the wrong boot for your footshape. Were you fit specifically for these boots or did you want them and pick them out yourself?


I tried them on and bought them online during a sale. Should have known that they would be too narrow in the forefoot but I didn't know enough at the time.

I checked the shell fit and my forefoot just barely is on the sides of the shell. Could I gain enough extra space just by heatmolding the liners and wearing footbeds?

If not is it worth it to sink money into fixing the boot? I like the fit except for my toes.
Nov 15 2015 1:23PM
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onenerdykid
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kequeI checked the shell fit and my forefoot just barely is on the sides of the shell. Could I gain enough extra space just by heatmolding the liners and wearing footbeds?

If not is it worth it to sink money into fixing the boot? I like the fit except for my toes.


Footbeds should be your first step because they at the very least will position your foot properly in the shell and keep it there. Without doing that, any work that is done to the liner or shell won't be as successful because your foot will just move into that new space that was created.

Once you do that, then I am sure that your local boot-fitter can reshape the toe box or sides of the shell exactly how you need it.

But again, you should work in the right order of operations just to maximize your chances of success.
Nov 15 2015 1:30PM
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keque
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onenerdykidFootbeds should be your first step because they at the very least will position your foot properly in the shell and keep it there. Without doing that, any work that is done to the liner or shell won't be as successful because your foot will just move into that new space that was created.

Once you do that, then I am sure that your local boot-fitter can reshape the toe box or sides of the shell exactly how you need it.

But again, you should work in the right order of operations just to maximize your chances of success.


I'll look into getting both done then. Thanks for your help.
Nov 15 2015 1:59PM
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Hi onenerdykid/tompietrowski,

So I just got fitted with footbeds and they feel great, but after putting on my ski boot for a half hour or so (didn't do this in the shop for that long), my boot feels like it's pinching inwards for my right outside heel (right before my heel on the outside actually). Should I take it back to the shop and get the shell punched or something? It hurts rather bad and makes my whole foot feel kinda numb
Nov 16 2015 10:24PM
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Little bit of a broad question but I'm kind of splayfooted(like duck feet, pointing outward) and because of this I always get some discomfort after skiing for a while. Would a better footbed help with this or is correcting my splay feet the only option?
Nov 16 2015 11:32PM
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onenerdykid
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nutz.Hi onenerdykid/tompietrowski,

So I just got fitted with footbeds and they feel great, but after putting on my ski boot for a half hour or so (didn't do this in the shop for that long), my boot feels like it's pinching inwards for my right outside heel (right before my heel on the outside actually). Should I take it back to the shop and get the shell punched or something? It hurts rather bad and makes my whole foot feel kinda numb


Is your ski boot new as well, or have you used it for a while? If it's a new boot, I would at least recommend heat molding the liner to match the new position your ankle/foot is in. But it could be the case that when your foot is in the proper position that it doesn't exactly match the contour of the shell. That should be an easy fix through stretching and grinding.
Nov 17 2015 3:02AM
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onenerdykid
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Chris.BLittle bit of a broad question but I'm kind of splayfooted(like duck feet, pointing outward) and because of this I always get some discomfort after skiing for a while. Would a better footbed help with this or is correcting my splay feet the only option?


Most everyone stands a little duck-footed (abducted), but skiing is generally a straight-line sport (feet point down the ski). A footbed will definitely help align your ankles, legs, knees in the proper way so they all work together, rather than fighting one another like they do now. Get a good supportive footbed and it will definitely help things out.
Nov 17 2015 3:05AM
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Chris.B
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onenerdykidMost everyone stands a little duck-footed (abducted), but skiing is generally a straight-line sport (feet point down the ski). A footbed will definitely help align your ankles, legs, knees in the proper way so they all work together, rather than fighting one another like they do now. Get a good supportive footbed and it will definitely help things out.

Thanks for the advice. Currently I'm using a $20 basic footbed, but I'll make sure to go down to the bootfitter and get a nice custom one made before the season.
Nov 17 2015 3:36AM
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nutz.
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onenerdykidIs your ski boot new as well, or have you used it for a while? If it's a new boot, I would at least recommend heat molding the liner to match the new position your ankle/foot is in. But it could be the case that when your foot is in the proper position that it doesn't exactly match the contour of the shell. That should be an easy fix through stretching and grinding.


I used it last year, just without the footbed.

And sweet, thanks! I'll probably go back to the shop then
Nov 17 2015 8:39AM
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kvan
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Does it matter which way my intuition liners fold? I've never had the folding liner design before so don't know much about them.
Nov 17 2015 6:47PM
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onenerdykid
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ec_jibberDoes it matter which way my intuition liners fold? I've never had the folding liner design before so don't know much about them.


Generally speaking, the inside (of your leg) portion of the liner goes under the outside. But if that feels weird or hits your leg in a funny way, then you can wrap it the other way. A few years ago, Andy Parry had this issue and by wrapping the opposite way we completely solved it. Try the normal way first and go from there.
Nov 18 2015 3:11AM
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V.I.skier
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Got a question for you all, I have a pair of Dalbello boots and have noticed the liners slide inside the shell and cause my toes to hit the front of the boot. Is there a proper way to fix this? Thanks for the help!
Nov 18 2015 4:46PM
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onenerdykid
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V.I.skierGot a question for you all, I have a pair of Dalbello boots and have noticed the liners slide inside the shell and cause my toes to hit the front of the boot. Is there a proper way to fix this? Thanks for the help!


Sometimes this happens with liners that have a slippery plastic-type bottom. What you could do it go find some skateboard grip tape or very thin (1mm) rubber and place a thin strip on the top of your boot board. This could make removing/installing your liner a little more tricky, but it definitely won't slide around while skiing.
Nov 19 2015 3:43AM
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Okay so I am currently using last years full tilt booters they are a men's 8 (26) and I currently wear a men's 9 for school and life. I went up opening day today and around noon I had sharp pain all along the bottom of my feet and a little bit in the ankles. I'm wondering if my boot size is too small or if it's something else. I also got really bad toe bang I'm guessing they're too small but how does that explain the bottom of my feet? K+!!
Nov 21 2015 7:44PM
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onenerdykid
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ASagaFanBoy12Okay so I am currently using last years full tilt booters they are a men's 8 (26) and I currently wear a men's 9 for school and life. I went up opening day today and around noon I had sharp pain all along the bottom of my feet and a little bit in the ankles. I'm wondering if my boot size is too small or if it's something else. I also got really bad toe bang I'm guessing they're too small but how does that explain the bottom of my feet? K+!!


It is common for your ski boot to be about 1 size smaller than your labeled street shoe size. But that is not really an accurate way to size boots, just a correlation that tends to exist.

Ski boots are based on mondo point sizing which is a centimeter length measurement of your foot. So a 26cm foot takes a size 26 ski boot.

But to know for sure if your boots are the right size, remove the liner from the shell, step into the shell while wearing a THIN ski sock, slide your toes to the front of the boot so they just barely touch, and measure the space behind your heel. 1cm of free space is a very high performance "race" fit, 2cm of space is normal, 3cm of space is problematically too big. Report back on the amount of space that you have.

Next, you need footbeds. Even if the boot is the right size and shape for your foot, your flexible twisty foot is moving around inside the shell while skiing. It is pronating and elongating and a footbed will help to minimize this movement keeping your foot securely and comfortably in place.
Nov 22 2015 4:44AM
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ASagaFanBoy12
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onenerdykidIt is common for your ski boot to be about 1 size smaller than your labeled street shoe size. But that is not really an accurate way to size boots, just a correlation that tends to exist.

Ski boots are based on mondo point sizing which is a centimeter length measurement of your foot. So a 26cm foot takes a size 26 ski boot.

But to know for sure if your boots are the right size, remove the liner from the shell, step into the shell while wearing a THIN ski sock, slide your toes to the front of the boot so they just barely touch, and measure the space behind your heel. 1cm of free space is a very high performance "race" fit, 2cm of space is normal, 3cm of space is problematically too big. Report back on the amount of space that you have.

Next, you need footbeds. Even if the boot is the right size and shape for your foot, your flexible twisty foot is moving around inside the shell while skiing. It is pronating and elongating and a footbed will help to minimize this movement keeping your foot securely and comfortably in place.


I measured my foot in the just the shell and it was around 1 1/2 centimeters from the back of the boot. Another thing I was thinking is that the full tilt booster is suppost to be for people with wider feet and my feet aren't exceptionally wide. But also maybe because I have no support for my arch like a footbed! So I think either way I'm definitly getting a footbed to support my feet
Nov 22 2015 10:39AM
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onenerdykid
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ASagaFanBoy12I measured my foot in the just the shell and it was around 1 1/2 centimeters from the back of the boot. Another thing I was thinking is that the full tilt booster is suppost to be for people with wider feet and my feet aren't exceptionally wide. But also maybe because I have no support for my arch like a footbed! So I think either way I'm definitly getting a footbed to support my feet


It sounds like you are in the right shell, and a footbed will definitely help stabilize and control your foot in the shell. If the shell, however, is too high volume/wide for your foot there is still the chance your foot will move around and slide to the front. What you should do when you get footbeds made is bring your boots in as well and have a fitter double check that it is the right match for your foot.
Nov 22 2015 11:26AM
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So i went see a boot fitter and got a pair of new boots, got them heat molded at the shop as well. Nothing else has been done. I have skiied them for the first time yesterday and today and my big toes are hurting at the end of the day, as well as my forefoot (might just be tightening the boot too tight).

Now my question is..how long does it take to "break in" a boot? The two days so far have been about 4hr each day.
Nov 24 2015 9:23PM
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lion.pappa
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lion.pappaSo i went see a boot fitter and got a pair of new boots, got them heat molded at the shop as well. Nothing else has been done. I have skiied them for the first time yesterday and today and my big toes are hurting at the end of the day, as well as my forefoot (might just be tightening the boot too tight).

Now my question is..how long does it take to "break in" a boot? The two days so far have been about 4hr each day.


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so i'm now away for vacation (after 4 straight days of skiing, trying to break my boots in so i can go on ski trips when im back from vacay) i found that both my big toes are a little bruised (purple area is moving outwards like growing nails). what should i do?
Dec 2 2015 4:33AM
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ggfski42
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So i just got fitted for new boots this season. After about 10 days so far, I can say that overall the fit is great except for one thing. I have the Tecnica Cochise 130 pro's, and I feel like a have a little too much room in the toe box. To achieve the snug fit I want, I have been forced to place the last toe buckle down on the absolute tightest setting, and it even seems to deform the shell a little bit (sides of shell overlapping too far).

My question is, are there any options available to reduce the volume in that area of the boot? I wear pretty thick ski socks, and I actually have just ordered some really thick ones online. Thanks +K!!!
Dec 2 2015 10:37AM
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rozboon
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ggfski42So i just got fitted for new boots this season. After about 10 days so far, I can say that overall the fit is great except for one thing. I have the Tecnica Cochise 130 pro's, and I feel like a have a little too much room in the toe box. To achieve the snug fit I want, I have been forced to place the last toe buckle down on the absolute tightest setting, and it even seems to deform the shell a little bit (sides of shell overlapping too far).

My question is, are there any options available to reduce the volume in that area of the boot? I wear pretty thick ski socks, and I actually have just ordered some really thick ones online. Thanks +K!!!


Have you got a proper custom footbed in there?
Dec 2 2015 7:09PM
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ggfski42
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rozboonHave you got a proper custom footbed in there?


Yep we did cork's the day I bought them.
Dec 2 2015 7:50PM
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Lemuel
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Why haven't any companies made a ski boot with a super high cuff? I've tried on boots where I thought my shin would break in half if I tried to ski it. There's got to be a reason... does it have to do with the calf muscle? I don't think you could comfortably have a boot engulf the calf.
Dec 2 2015 11:11PM
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onenerdykid
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lion.pappabump and edit,
so i'm now away for vacation (after 4 straight days of skiing, trying to break my boots in so i can go on ski trips when im back from vacay) i found that both my big toes are a little bruised (purple area is moving outwards like growing nails). what should i do?


Did you get footbeds made when you got the boots? Not having a footbed to properly support your foot will allow your foot to elongate and let your toes come in contact with the front of the boot. A well made footbed will secure your foot in the back of the boot, not allowing this elongation to happen. If you do have a footbed already, definitely make sure it supports your foot enough as there could be a chance that it does not do it properly.
Dec 3 2015 3:49AM
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onenerdykid
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ggfski42So i just got fitted for new boots this season. After about 10 days so far, I can say that overall the fit is great except for one thing. I have the Tecnica Cochise 130 pro's, and I feel like a have a little too much room in the toe box. To achieve the snug fit I want, I have been forced to place the last toe buckle down on the absolute tightest setting, and it even seems to deform the shell a little bit (sides of shell overlapping too far).

My question is, are there any options available to reduce the volume in that area of the boot? I wear pretty thick ski socks, and I actually have just ordered some really thick ones online. Thanks +K!!!


ggfski42Yep we did cork's the day I bought them.


The Cochise tends to be one of the higher volume boots in this category (98mm), so if you have a super low volume foot like I do, it is probably why you are experiencing this (even with a thick, cork footbed).

One of the things your fitter should be able to do is shape/grind some 3mm/4mm/5mm foam padding and glue it to the top of the liner's toe box. This essentially fills the gap between your foot/liner and the shell. You'll just need to take care when removing/installing your liners not to rip the foam off. Should do the trick!
Dec 3 2015 3:55AM
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onenerdykid
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LemuelWhy haven't any companies made a ski boot with a super high cuff? I've tried on boots where I thought my shin would break in half if I tried to ski it. There's got to be a reason... does it have to do with the calf muscle? I don't think you could comfortably have a boot engulf the calf.


I too have always hated this about ski boots. Keep your eyes peeled for what we bring to market at the SIA show this January :)
Dec 3 2015 3:57AM
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lion.pappa
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onenerdykidDid you get footbeds made when you got the boots? Not having a footbed to properly support your foot will allow your foot to elongate and let your toes come in contact with the front of the boot. A well made footbed will secure your foot in the back of the boot, not allowing this elongation to happen. If you do have a footbed already, definitely make sure it supports your foot enough as there could be a chance that it does not do it properly.


hey, thanks for the reply!

i'm using superfeet green footbeds and the boot fitter said it looks fine for my feet unless i want REALLY customized ones. Are there other things that might be causing this? do i need to ask the fitter to punch out the toe box? or when will my liner be fully broken in? I don't really wanna do anything to the shell before the line has fully packed out.
Dec 3 2015 5:29AM
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onenerdykid
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lion.pappahey, thanks for the reply!

i'm using superfeet green footbeds and the boot fitter said it looks fine for my feet unless i want REALLY customized ones. Are there other things that might be causing this? do i need to ask the fitter to punch out the toe box? or when will my liner be fully broken in? I don't really wanna do anything to the shell before the line has fully packed out.


Perhaps you already gave this info, but I can't seem to find it:

What boot model are you in?

Can you do a shell fit and report back with how much space is behind your heel? (I've explained this a few times on this page, so you should be able to find directions if unclear).


Knowing the answers to these questions will help me accurately answer you.
Dec 3 2015 5:42AM
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lion.pappa
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onenerdykidPerhaps you already gave this info, but I can't seem to find it:

What boot model are you in?

Can you do a shell fit and report back with how much space is behind your heel? (I've explained this a few times on this page, so you should be able to find directions if unclear).


Knowing the answers to these questions will help me accurately answer you.


Hi, im in the dalbello panterra 100, not the ID liner. I buckle the "VFF" buckle to the widest, and only really buckle the second buckle a little tighter (ankle one).
For shell check, i do not have the boot with me now, but i did this when purchasing the boot (just in case if the boot fitter is just trying to sell me a boot), i have about an inch between my heel and the shell with my toe just barely touching the front (a little less on my left foot) with ski socks on (smartwool), and the width is almost touching.

I did a lot of research before actually going into the shop to ask the boot fitter for recommendation. But now still have this "purple toe" problem...i know its very hard to help without seeing my foot in person but anything helps.

Thanks in advance
Dec 3 2015 6:27AM
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onenerdykid
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lion.pappaHi, im in the dalbello panterra 100, not the ID liner. I buckle the "VFF" buckle to the widest, and only really buckle the second buckle a little tighter (ankle one).
For shell check, i do not have the boot with me now, but i did this when purchasing the boot (just in case if the boot fitter is just trying to sell me a boot), i have about an inch between my heel and the shell with my toe just barely touching the front (a little less on my left foot) with ski socks on (smartwool), and the width is almost touching.


Given what you've described, if the same person who sold you the boot (without doing a shell check) recommended you Superfeet, then I have doubts that your footbed is actually the right one for your foot.

It sounds like you definitely aren't in a boot too small, and if you do actually have an inch (2.5cm) behind your heel then there is the slight possibility that the boot could be too big and this could also be why you are getting bruised toes. But I would definitely start by investing into a better footbed that will definitely support your foot more properly. If a better footbed prevents your foot by elongating by even a few millimeters, then it can mean the difference between comfort and bruised.

As you mentioned earlier, do not punch/stretch the boot yet as the shell sounds like it is more than big enough for you. The combination of proper footbed and letting the liner break in will most likely do the trick for you.
Dec 3 2015 8:06AM
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lion.pappa
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onenerdykidGiven what you've described, if the same person who sold you the boot (without doing a shell check) recommended you Superfeet, then I have doubts that your footbed is actually the right one for your foot.

It sounds like you definitely aren't in a boot too small, and if you do actually have an inch (2.5cm) behind your heel then there is the slight possibility that the boot could be too big and this could also be why you are getting bruised toes. But I would definitely start by investing into a better footbed that will definitely support your foot more properly. If a better footbed prevents your foot by elongating by even a few millimeters, then it can mean the difference between comfort and bruised.

As you mentioned earlier, do not punch/stretch the boot yet as the shell sounds like it is more than big enough for you. The combination of proper footbed and letting the liner break in will most likely do the trick for you.


oh im sorry, i was thinking km to miles 1.6km = 1mile.... its about 1.5cm behind my heel. I'm def not in a boot too big, i measured 26 and 25.5 for left and right foot. i went with 25.5.

but yea..i think ill have someone else to take a look at what kind of footbed i'll need when im bk home.
Dec 3 2015 8:22AM
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ggfski42
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onenerdykidThe Cochise tends to be one of the higher volume boots in this category (98mm), so if you have a super low volume foot like I do, it is probably why you are experiencing this (even with a thick, cork footbed).

One of the things your fitter should be able to do is shape/grind some 3mm/4mm/5mm foam padding and glue it to the top of the liner's toe box. This essentially fills the gap between your foot/liner and the shell. You'll just need to take care when removing/installing your liners not to rip the foam off. Should do the trick![Hell/QUOTE]

Roger that, im going to see him next week so hopefully they can do that. Thanks for the reply man, id +K if you already werent 10/10.
Dec 3 2015 12:44PM
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