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Help with front flips?

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Protest
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Hey guys, first post here, I was wondering if I can get help with fronts. I'm going to try them this year and I just want some tips before I try to throw a few. It'll be my first flip trick, I can do them fluently on my trampoline. Help would be great, also is a lincoln basically the same on skis as it is on the trampoline. Finally, my goal is a misty 5 , should I just get the fronts and lincolns down and then just try to throw one? I can do them fine on my trampoline and I can do them off picknic tables and such.
Oct 31 2013 4:46PM
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N_Harrington
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remember being in this position myself...it's all about commitment my man. luckily i was able to practice my first flips into the foam at woodward. feels very similar to tramp just as long as you commit hard you you'll come out fine. And atleast for me, when i committed to my first backie on snow then i was doing them all day
Oct 31 2013 4:53PM
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nine50seven
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What I did was I learned punch fronts first and then when it came to a actual jump they were easy.
Oct 31 2013 4:58PM
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Protest
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Alright, the weird thing is, I'm not going to have a problem commiting, I think I'm a fairly ballsy person. I'm just worried about breaking my neck. What is the risk of actually landing on my neck or head?
Oct 31 2013 5:00PM
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UncleGerry
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First off, what is this, about the one hundredth thread made on back/frontflip help?

Secondly, you have to either be a real vagina or a real fucking idiot to come onto a forum and ask for help instead of just going out there and hucking off a small jump or knuckle.

My advice to you, stop being a vagina.
Oct 31 2013 5:05PM
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N_Harrington
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I wouldn't worry about that man. you most likely won't be sending off a huge jump for your first flip and if you've been doing them on the tramp a ton it'll come around. just send it!
Oct 31 2013 5:07PM
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TopherRitz
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Bro chill its his first post. Just blaze...
Oct 31 2013 5:10PM
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Protest
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Alright, thanks man :) Probably try and stick one at the end of my first or second time skiing this year, go big or go home right? and @TheBigBadWolf did it make you feel better to be a prick to somebody who is generally concerned about their wellbeing and just wants advice? I hope you feel better about yourself.
Oct 31 2013 5:11PM
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Kimmler
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No need to be hostile, the kid is just looking for some help.
Oct 31 2013 5:12PM
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ridetomorrownow
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your lucky man i wish i got backed up when i got called out like you are! but same as already its 100% commit, just huck it very much like on the tramp and watch for your landing, goodluck!
Oct 31 2013 5:20PM
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Protest
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Thank you all for the kind and encouraging replies, Definitely gonna post a video the first time I go for it. Hopefully I'll get snow up here in Ottawa, Ontario soon.
Oct 31 2013 5:30PM
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RubberSoul
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i'd suggest backies before fronts but that's just me

source: fronts are scawy cause of the blind landing, backies are easy as shit
Oct 31 2013 5:31PM
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Protest
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I would but I haven't really tried them on the trampoline yet, I'm too sketched out for some reason. Reason I was thinking of fronties first is because, from a physics standpoint, I'm less likely to break my neck if I eat shit on the front than on the back.
Oct 31 2013 5:41PM
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N_Harrington
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I was literally in the exact same position as you a couple years ago, Was leaning towards doing frontflips on snow for my first flip, then realized there hard if you don't commit I was also sketched about backies on tramp as well, but was super comfortable with lincolns. Started sending my lincolns more and more back into a weird sideways backflip, then finally hucked it. My first flip on snow was a flat 3, easy as shit.
Oct 31 2013 6:48PM
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first_rodeo
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EASY TO DO EASY TO MISJUDGE
two basic forms of front flips
punchflip /somersault -- these can be done over small jumps.groomers.knolls.knuckles.cliffs
on your approach be crouched.loaded like a spring
you can stagger your stance, it can help
chin down and ball up
minimal spotting because you aren't opening up

dives//supermans//suicides--these are needed for controlling flip anything over 30ft
so much control and ability to spot landings
all about using your neck and core to control the flip



aerial awareness

 lincolns and their direct affect on progression are much easier on snow than tramp


Oct 31 2013 7:01PM
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SnowMiser
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Such formatted
So help

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Oct 31 2013 7:18PM
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Chinchi
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Don't think about it just throw it, first time I threw one I was delirious as fuck and decided I wanted to throw a flip, landed backseat and got it the next time. Just sack up and chuck, preferably in front of bitches, bitches love frontflips.
Oct 31 2013 7:24PM
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Protest
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Haha that's exactly what I was going for actually. There's this girl ;) Actually I think the advice to just go for it is some of the best advice. Now that I think about it, Not thinking while doing the flip may work. I may try that lincoln idea for backflips too.
Oct 31 2013 7:32PM
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McLS
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Yeah I would really try to get backys on tramp first (there super easy to do, it's only about committing, so I you're so sure about throwing fronts on snow and not being a pussy, then just get backflips in. They'll be muuuuuch easier on snow, as said before, you see your landing very early when doing a backflip. Secondly, once you have backflip in then it's fairly easy getting flat spins and rodeos. Putting a misty down after only being able to front flip/Lincoln is suicidal.... U'll need much more air too, way more difficult to huck a misty than a rodeo. Here's my advice, go the way everyone goes, and you'll be able to get more tricks in one season (+ you'll be able to tweak corks a lot) backflips f always physically easier than frontflips on snow.
Oct 31 2013 7:49PM
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Protest
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Alright, what tips can you guys give for backies on the tramp? Should I just go for it?
Oct 31 2013 8:01PM
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galardogod
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Tip misteys are easier than fronts simply because you can see your landing all the way around and to me they are more comfortable.
My problem is i dont know what jump to try fronts or misteys
Oct 31 2013 8:11PM
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first_rodeo
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ergo lincoln loops are the easiest
because you spin on one axis and see your entire location
that hunched neck makes your spin
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Oct 31 2013 8:24PM
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galardogod
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Very true
Oct 31 2013 8:26PM
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AT-AT
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Me as well. Tighten that din up and throw em.
Throw your arms up, Pop hard, tuck arms and head, bring feet to ass and flip er around.
From there it's just courage to take it bigger
Oct 31 2013 8:28PM
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d00d
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Do a lincoln, backflip, or backflip first. Frontflips are way sketchier. I know it feels more comfortable to do a front flip it's like that for just about everyone. But when you start doing backflips and lincolns on a tramp and then on snow they are just soooo much easier and controllable. Trust me and I'm sure many people can vouch for it.

Tips for doing a backflip on the tramp: If you're scared about doing them have your friend spot you by if you under rotate he will just flip you over. Also I know this sounds funky, but make sure you JUMP before you flip. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people who were learning back flips for the first time would just have absolutely no pop and just let them selves almost roll back and be about 2 inches off the tramp and land on their neck. And that's how you really hurt yourself. When you do one make sure you JUMP up in the air then do the flip. Focus on that and it's pretty difficult to hurt yourself on the tramp when learning backflips.

After just do them on a air bag no need to go ham on the first or second day of the season. You've got all season haha. It's a bit different throwing a backie on snow but it's easier than a front flip. It might not feel like it but once you do one you'll be surprised at how they aren't very difficult. Same goes for lincolns. Honestly to me lincolns are easier than back flips but everyone who skis park needs to do a backflip.
Oct 31 2013 8:37PM
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Protest
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Alright, I'm thinking of going for lincolns first maybe, I almost threw a double on my tarmpoline a couple weeks ago and I'm fairly comfortable with them.
Oct 31 2013 9:37PM
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Protest
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Also I really like the tip of having a friend spot you for the backflip, I'll see if I can do that tomorrow, I have friends who can backflip on the trampoline and they;ll probably help me out.
Oct 31 2013 9:40PM
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Paul.
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You can almost dub but cant backflip? Just go for it man, if you commit youll get it easy, its all about just getting over the fear of flipping backwards.
Oct 31 2013 10:50PM
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Scotty_Boy
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Landing on your head/neck is pretty low. Your head and neck are put out of the danger zone relatively early. Even if you half rotate you'll land on your back. Worst case scenario you land on your mid-upper back
Oct 31 2013 11:00PM
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Shreenan
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figure it out buddy its called not being a prick
Nov 1 2013 12:16PM
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RubberSoul
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as long as i'm here--

ive actually never done a lincoln. when i do them off diving boards, the key for me is to set pretty much like a rodeo, but flex my core and lower half and force them to stay facing forward cause otherwise my body wants to go into a rodeo

is it the same on skis?
Nov 1 2013 12:20PM
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stupendous-man
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The frontflip did not come around for me
Nov 1 2013 3:41PM
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Gerome.
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haha no it did not
Nov 1 2013 3:53PM
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Protest
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:( Was trying a backie on my trampoline today. Wimped out again. I have balls when it comes to anything but backflips.
Nov 1 2013 4:02PM
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NMMedia
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Thing you gotta remember between a tramp and a jump is that when you hit a jump its going to be setting you back so youre going to have to throw it harder. As to the probability of landing on your neck, its pretty low as long as you commit. First fronts I threw I didnt get em around due to the effect I spoke of earlier, but I did at least land flat on my back not my neck, just commit and youll be good, might take a few hits but thats skiing for you

Nov 1 2013 4:10PM
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Ehball
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Dude, I live in Ottawa too! I go to edelweiss, you seem like a fortune type of kid though lol
Nov 1 2013 4:12PM
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RubberSoul
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don't worry, once you do one it'll from then on feel like the most natural thing in the world and will really open the door for you

be smart and don't rush into doing your first until you can truly envision yourself doing it. once you do, however, you'll say boy that was easy..now it's on.

(bad timing right now unless you can go to a pool but) i'd highly suggest learning backflips into water first because the worst that can happen is you land upside down in water. second best choice is having a buddy spot you

TL;DR: be safe about doing your first one because that's the only time it's really dangerous, and after that you are good to go




also @stupendous-man: AMAZING. in a laughing-with-you kind of way, that was hilarious. lesson learned, right?
Nov 1 2013 4:15PM
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Capurnicus
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Cause you didn't commit, you hesitated and let your legs just stay there
Nov 1 2013 4:16PM
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Protest
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Alright, my best option is the spotters but unfortunately the people I would use aren't around until monday. I'll probably get over the fear of flipping back wards then try to throw one.
Nov 1 2013 4:18PM
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RubberSoul
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it's all in the hips, it's all the hips...
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Nov 1 2013 4:18PM
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stupendous-man
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I had 100% upper body commitment, that's for sure.
Nov 1 2013 4:21PM
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RubberSoul
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(sorry to post whore here but i'm trying to help)

also another POSSIBLE option for you that i used when i was really young and scared of backs but not fronts on tramps:

maybe don't bounce high, and try a couple backflip 180s. theyre hard to land for the same reason fronts are, but for me it was a great way to get used to the backflip motion with minimum risk-- the most likely result is you landing flat on your back. then, being used to that motion, you can do a straight backflip, bring it to your feet cause it's ~100 times easier to spot than backie 180s, and youre hot to engage

hope this helps, have fun doggy
Nov 1 2013 4:23PM
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SamSandmire
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If you under-rotate a front flip, you just land on your back or butt, which isn't dangerous on a tramp. But the consequences of under-rotating a back flip (on tramp or skis) can be catastrophic. Best to find a coach or someone who is trained in teaching & spotting back flips on tramp, then do a ton of them till they become automatic on tramp. First backie on snow is still gonna be scary & feel different from tramp, but at least you'll have that muscle memory going for you so you'll be able to judge better whether to tuck it in tighter to increase rotation or open up to slow rotation. Yeah, you might get lucky if you just huck it (on tramp or snow) and you might stomp it the first time you try it. But it's not worth missing a season or breaking your neck.
Nov 1 2013 4:27PM
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gotti
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No if u underotate a backflip on a tramp you will be 100% a-ok. I have landed scorpion on a blackbed multiple times. It hurts but it's not going to break or sprain anything unless u jump off the tramp. At least for a dude who considers himself "fairly ballsy" trying a backie on a tramp shouldn't be a problem.
Nov 1 2013 5:06PM
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SamSandmire
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Anecdotal evidence aside, most catastrophic (resulting in complete or partial paralysis or death) injuries on trampoline occur ON the trampoline bed from improperly executing a back flip.
Nov 1 2013 5:11PM
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stupendous-man
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I havent tried one since lol, I learned backflips and rodeos over the summer though so I'll definitely be trying those on snow before I got back to the frontflip.


to the OP, i had a HUGE mental block for backflips too until this summer. what really helped me was to learn flatspins/rodeo 3 first, because it gets you used to going backwards.
Nov 1 2013 5:45PM
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FrankRaws
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do the thing twall does in the breck edit and lean over the lip while leaving your major leg on the lip and minor leg behind you. when you swing your leg behind you and put your chest forward it will make you rotate. also, if you need use your arms. When i first learned i used my arms and didn't stomp the lip but now i don't even use my arms and all i do is stomp them like twall did
Nov 1 2013 5:48PM
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TroyAntipasta
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Fuck it, and huck it motherfucker
Nov 1 2013 11:40PM
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Kreech
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Make sure you pop right as you're leaving the lip. If you pop too early, you'll probably double eject. If you pop too late, you won't really set it and you'll land on your back. Throwing it is easy, you just punch down super hard and tuck. The timing of the pop is everything though
Nov 2 2013 2:02AM
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Protest
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I actually ski both equally :). I get season passes to both usually. The occasional time I'll hit St. Marie too.
Nov 2 2013 12:40PM
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yuck
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didnt read the thread, but my advice is to expect to rotate much slower than on a tramp. you need more air time obviously, and gotta commit to it. worst case scenario you land flat on your back, you wont break your neck
Nov 2 2013 2:41PM
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