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Is Lincoln 7 a trick?

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johnnyBuz
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I don't know why but I am kind of obsessed with Lincoln Loops and all of their variations. I learned Lincoln's right after backflips and I think they are more fun to throw than backies.

I didn't have time to learn an underflip on snow this year but I learned it on a trampoline last week and it was surprisingly easy if you can already Lincoln.

I think underflips look fucking awesome (probably my favorite looking trick after a Flat 5) and I was wondering if anyone has seen someone throw a Lincoln 7 (Lincoln Loop + 360) or has any video of them? I don't think I've ever seen one in an edit.

Peace.
Jun 25 2013 11:07PM
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Stose
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Never seen it before. but I'm assuming it would end up looking a lot like rodeo 7
Jun 25 2013 11:23PM
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shredched
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or just a dub lincoln

Jun 25 2013 11:37PM
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Calb3rt
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how that hell would a lincoln+360= lincoln 7?
Jun 25 2013 11:40PM
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johnnyBuz
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The same way you add up the math on any trick.

Lincoln = 360 degrees of rotation
360 = 360 degrees of rotation

Lincoln + 360 = Lincoln 7

Why wouldn't it be the same math as a Misty 5 (front flip + 180)?
Jun 25 2013 11:51PM
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johnnyBuz
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Umm no a dub Lincoln would be two Lincoln loops which is *NOT* what I am talking about. Thanks for playing better luck next time.
Jun 25 2013 11:52PM
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kingsskier
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It would be extremely hard to do this trip without it being an under flip or rodeo 7. To stay with two perfectly perpendicular rotations would be quite hard. But if it has been done or you do it, I want to see it. It sounds cool.
Jun 25 2013 11:55PM
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RubberSoul
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that's pretty much what a rodeo is
Jun 25 2013 11:56PM
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Keith_M
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A lincoln 7 is definitely a D-spin 7. I know, I tried, it was a d spin.
Jun 26 2013 12:18AM
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johnnyBuz
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What do you mean here? I just watched a video of an underflip 7 which I guess is the same trick I am describing. I guess people just call it an under 7. The only difference I could think is sometimes I throw perfectly on-axis Lincoln's and I think combining that with a 360 would look dope. I'm on mobile now but I'll post the video I just saw later.

Also, to the guy saying D-Spin, in my mind a d-spin is a more off-axis backflip 360. Backs and Lincoln's are thrown completely differently.
Jun 26 2013 12:34AM
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kingsskier
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An underfloor starts with rotation and front flips. It is not a Lincoln 7 in a true sense.
Jun 26 2013 12:38AM
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Calb3rt
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so a cork 3 is really a cork 7, right? since you are rotating 360 degrees on more than one plane? and a double backflip would be a backflip 7?
there are flips and there are spins. i agree that that a flip is also 360 degrees of rotation but they are don on the y axis and not the x axis
maybe i am just rabble rousing here but when i do mistys i do them like this...
when i throw my right arm down to my left hip setting the rotation(x axis but still flipping on the y axis), my head does a 180, by the apex rolls over my shoulder, head is facing the way i started(completing a 360) then spot the ground and the way it comes around i land backwards.

when i do front flip 180s i do them like this(@:59)...
i throw both arms forward  like a frontflip( setting the rotation on the y axis) when i am half way through the flip, i more or less just rotate my shoulders and spot the landing.

the first video the kids pelvis doe a 540, the second video his pelvis does a 180, he doesnt roll over his shoulder at the apex like the kid in the first video

i am also aware that many people will probably disagree and say they look the same. That is fine by me.  I am not trying to argue either, i just find it funny, pardon my sarcasm. I grew up doing gymnastics and to me there is a 360 degree difference between and fronflip 180 and fronflip 540. imagine both of those people in the videos really penciled out(gymnastics style) and they are different.

sorry, im a little bored...
Jun 26 2013 12:45AM
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duckslayer
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm0eFB0FCX4
this maybe, sorry i dont know how to inbed it
Jun 26 2013 12:51AM
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Stose
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a cork 3 is not a cork 7, a cork 7 is a cork 7 and a cork 3 is a cork 3. a double back is not a back 7. a backflip with two full twists is a back 7.
Jun 26 2013 12:52AM
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Calb3rt
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^
Jun 26 2013 12:54AM
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seanahue.
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Brindisi (sp.?) has a crazy underflip-ish 7 in a CASG edit somewhere, first thing that came to my mind as even close
Jun 26 2013 5:29AM
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baaangthat
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i honestly agree with this. super d-spinny unless you were going into the 3 as you were coming out of the loop,
Jun 26 2013 5:41AM
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Mr.Huck
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Kind of surprised this thread didn't end with a "no" endthread/

No hate to OP, but

Lincoln loop = sideflip with no spin.

If you add spin or change the axis, it is no longer a Lincoln Loop.
Jun 26 2013 11:31AM
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johnnyBuz
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Okay so it's just underflip 7? Regardless if you are spinning you are still doing a sideways flip - I don't really care about the naming convention.
Jun 26 2013 11:52AM
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Miomo
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I don't think you want an underflip. What your asking for is a plain lincoln loop, but with a 3 added to it. In an underflip, you're spinning the flip axis. What you want is to flip the spin axis.
Jun 26 2013 12:39PM
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Stose
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No it wouldn't be underflip 7. Underflip is a 90 to Lincoln to 90 so underflip 7 would have to be 90 to Lincoln to 270.
Jun 26 2013 12:39PM
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kingsskier
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Its 90 to front flip on a perpendicular axis to the travelling axis and 90 out. Your concept is right but there isnt a lincoln involved in an under flip.

A lincoln 7 is possible theoretically but probably not physically. It would be lincoln half way so you are upside down, rotate 360 while upside down, then finish lincoln. It would keep all axis correct but its probably not physically possible. Maybe on shredsauce?
Jun 26 2013 12:47PM
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johnnyBuz
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Hmm I like what you are saying but I'm not sure about the front flip part. When I was throwing them on tramps I was doing a strict left 90 to left Lincoln to left 90 - not sure where the front flip comes into play. (On that note - is right 90 to left Lincoln to right 90 an overflip?). That would mean if it is super penciled it is still staying on the y-axis up-and-down because you are now sideways.

The way you describe it sounds cool tough. I wounded if you set the spin super hard and popped the Lincoln hard you could possibly be upside down right after takeoff spinning a 360 and then setting the Lincoln down.
Jun 26 2013 1:00PM
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nurban
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Pretty sure this is a loop 7 or loop full (loop + 360). Its a crazy looking trick, check out this guy's first air.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/iQP0Lyy78I4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Jun 26 2013 1:08PM
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Stose
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I had always learned underflip as 90 Lincoln down the hill 90 and over flip as 90 Lincoln up the hill 90
Jun 26 2013 2:05PM
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stushoshi
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theres some lincoln 630's (underflips or overflips) in act natural - noah wallace segment and every days a saturday - leigh powis
Jun 26 2013 2:25PM
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TheClap.
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this
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Jun 26 2013 2:30PM
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Z-Juice
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Easily one of the saddest things I've read in a while.
Jun 26 2013 2:44PM
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saxon
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Is Lincoln 7 a trick? Technically no. Here is how I have been taught, and teach it.

Lincoln Loop: Straight side flip

Underflip (540): 90 Lincoln 90
D-Spin (720): Underflip + 180. When you start going PAST Underflip 5, 9.9 times out of 10 it will be D-Spin.

So what you're suggesting (or at least how it sounds) is closest to a D-Spin.
Jun 26 2013 2:58PM
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Miomo
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A D-spin's a slightly off-axis backflip.
You're wrong.
Jun 26 2013 3:28PM
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saxon
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is that a joke?

D-spin could be described as a flippy cork, but no way an off axis backflip...
Jun 26 2013 4:33PM
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willysworld
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A Lincoln 360 is a totally different rotation than a d-spin dude .. They are called "Austin 316s " Shane Anderson Used to do them with a mute grab and with no grab ..
Jun 26 2013 5:05PM
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Miomo
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They're the same exact thing.
Jun 26 2013 5:11PM
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Craigskis
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Jonny Moseley used to throw em' with that delay

I'd call it a Rodeo 7
Jun 26 2013 5:23PM
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Mr.Huck
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Actually you are wrong. A d-spin is a more inverted version of a cork 7. The name d-SPIN should give you a hint. There is no spin in a backflip. Back in the early days of freestyle a d-spin was called a mobius. It was a full twisting back.
Jun 26 2013 6:20PM
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PeteP
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Its called an underflip or misty seven depending on which way you combine your lincoln + 360
Jun 26 2013 6:43PM
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johnnyBuz
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Cool bro. The nice thing about freestyle skiing is it doesn't matter what you call a trick as long as you can stomp it.

For example, I can call it a Lincoln 7, an underflip 7 or a "Dugskio's whore of a mom has a loose pussy" and it really doesn't fucking matter because I'm executing the trick I intended to.
Jun 26 2013 7:16PM
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Z-Juice
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I rarely partake in internet arguing and I really don't like keeping threads like these alive, but boy you sure did get to me when you called my mom a whore.

Let's start out with the basics, a lincoln loop is a sideflip. Granted, there are 360 degrees of rotation in a lincoln loop, but you don't call it a "lincoln 360". Just like you don't call a backflip a "backflip 360".

Now you go ahead and try to land a "lincoln 720" but depending on how you think you're doing a "lincoln 720", you will most likely be doing a rodeo 7, a cork 7, or a misty 7.

I have posted a video below to help you getting started. If the guy in this video spun a little more at the end, he would've completed a lincoln 360 I guess. So now, you just need to replicate that guy and tack on an extra 360 while you're upright at the end of the trick. That seems very challenging, and I don't know of anyone that has ever successfully completed that rotation, but hey you seem like a positive guy with the right-can-do attitude that can easily land the first one.




Jun 26 2013 7:55PM
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johnnyBuz
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Here's a couple vids I was able to find that kinda look like what I'm picturing in my mind. What would you guys call these tricks?



Jun 26 2013 8:14PM
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TripleBlack
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Regardless of naming conventions, I think that ^this^ video is actually the trick that OP is referring to.

Jun 26 2013 8:17PM
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TripleBlack
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By "this" I mean the "Lincoln 360" off the diving board.
Jun 26 2013 8:18PM
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skiierman
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I wonder how many kids in here that are tearing the OP apart for being an idiot also posted in that "dub misty" off the rail defending it and saying that calling tricks properly for what they really are doesn't matter...

Oh the hypocrisy of NS, you never cease to amaze.
Jun 26 2013 8:19PM
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Stose
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Both looked like underflip 7
Jun 26 2013 8:58PM
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shithawks
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ur a fucking idiot arguing with people who are giving u a completly legit anwser and then u telling them they are wrong. a double lincoln is 2 side flips with no 360 rotation what so ever. a lincoln 360 would be a lincoln with a 360. i have never seen one but it would probably look something like a d-spin or rodeo. but a double rodeo is definatly 2 side flips. if your still wondering play this game: http://gnarshmallow.com and do a double lincoln by holding h until u get two rotations. thats what a double lincoln would look like.
Jun 26 2013 9:08PM
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BASEDRILEY
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IT WOULD BE AN UNDERFLIP OR RODEO 7 DEPENDING ON THE WAY U SPIN/FLIP SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH UR HALF WIT BRAIN MAKIND DUMB ASS THREADS U SUQ DIQS FOR MONEY AND FUN U STUPID BASTARD
Jun 26 2013 9:28PM
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BASEDRILEY
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CHOCK ON 9 LARGE WARD COVARD DICKS
Jun 26 2013 9:29PM
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BASEDRILEY
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YEAH I SPELLED A LOT OF SHIT WRONG I COULD NOT GIVE LESS OF A FUCK
Jun 26 2013 9:30PM
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Heart
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No. A D-spin is doing a backflip while spinning
Jun 26 2013 9:32PM
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jaybake
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^^ ok
Jun 26 2013 9:38PM
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skiierman
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Jesus Christ are you kids massive fucking pussies.
Jun 26 2013 9:41PM
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saxon
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Not in the slightest lol.

1) An off axis backflip...is an off axis backflip.

2) A D-spin is an inverted cork, a less than perfect back full, etc etc however you want to describe it.


D-Spin:


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