without the special binding they're lighter.
they're heavyer than most skis. but they're tanks because of the wood core. they ski nicely but not too great. It all depends on what you like though. If you don't mind a heavy ski then get them the advantage is that you continue rotating easyer on bigger spins but they're a bit slow on the takeoffs. if that's your style then go for them.
well, there difinetly not light.. ive nver ridden em, but i was chencken em out at a shop and they were like 3 times heavier than my 1206s with bindgins.. but the bindings system is sweet.. its pretty good idea,, one setting for park, the other for powder and all mountain.. good idea.. and they seem to be pretty sturdy..just really heavy
actually you can get them for 200!
first you must go to mt.hood
then you must go into the salomon test center,
than walk to the head demo center... which is in the back of the store, they have brand new...from the dealer... head mad trix with out the plate system for 200 dollars in 163, 172, 182? i think those are the sizes.