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Gun law failed to pass.

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snowfinder
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Thanks senate.
Apr 17 2013 5:45PM
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roddy116
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if you honest to god think that most people who sell guns privately have ever remotely followed a law that coinsided with gun control laws then you should sit back down and continue to eat your glue paste.
Apr 17 2013 7:35PM
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t.dough
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You're completely missing my point.

>The bill aims to extend background checks to all gun purchases including private sellers.
>Private sellers (I don't care if they're criminals) have to buy guns in order to sell them.
>A thorough check on a private seller would reveal whether or not he had the proper paperwork for his previous gun sales.
>If the person was not a recognized seller a background check would show that the person had bought an exorbitant amount of guns that he doesn't seem to be in possession of.

And if you don't get what I'm saying then never mind, just please inform me the reasons background checks shouldn't be implemented.
Apr 17 2013 7:45PM
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Kooky_Lukey
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Apr 17 2013 7:56PM
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Dustin.
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Even in Texas, when you buy a gun there is a background check. This stuff already exists.
Apr 17 2013 7:59PM
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Dustin.
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That sounds cheap, who do you propose pays for that? We have a lot of excess cash right now, and you want to spend millions on that useless bureaucracy? That system would be nothing more than a gigantic waste of money.
Apr 17 2013 8:03PM
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Kooky_Lukey
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You are so stupid its unbelievable.

The private sellers that the actual criminals buy from arent going to legally buy them either and they arent even going to be listed as sellers. How do you think the IRA and other groups got their RPG's and automatic weapons? definitely not from "registered" or "legal" private sellers.
Apr 17 2013 8:05PM
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Mr.Sloth
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Hahahahaha okay I don't really have a dog in this fight but really? That was the best you could come up with.
Apr 17 2013 8:07PM
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alex=
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No more guns to mentally fucked up people, it's all I want.
Apr 17 2013 8:10PM
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skia4life89
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haha suck it! the people have spoken once again. Let your butts heel guys!
Apr 17 2013 8:17PM
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Dobies.
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This topic is literally so controversial. I will say this right now; there will never be a solution proposed that both parties will agree with. There will always be a policy that is weighted towards one side as opposed to the other. The truth hurts, people are much too passionate about this subject on both sides of the spectrum. Radicals on the left won't be happy until all AR style weapons are banned, background checks are required for all ammunition and firearms sales, and concealed/permit carrying is outlawed. On the other side, you have the radical right, who won't be completely happy until there are no background checks, no bans on firearms, and who think children should carry guns in school to protect themselves. As sad at it is, I truly believe that people on both sides associate the other side with these more radical ideas, and this is why common ground can't be reached. Our political parties are so ridiculously stubborn.
Apr 17 2013 8:17PM
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Arabian
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The proof of which party is at fault can be shown by the arguments made by the proponents of the bill to their constituents. The NRA went out on a campaign of misinformation, telling NRA supporters that the bill would bar private transactions, something which was expressly protected in the bill, and thoroughly so among families. Not much to the same degree on the democratic side, even despite the recent Sandy Hook full-retard behavior of the left. I'm not sure if the right even gives a shit about facts anymore. I think they've just embraced whatever bizarro world they now live in.
Apr 17 2013 8:25PM
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roddy116
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because they already are dumbass.
Apr 17 2013 8:35PM
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Craigskis
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In other interesting news how congress loosened restrictions on insider trading while nobody was paying attention due to other flashier stories such as Gun control, & Terrorism.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/04/16/177496734/how-congress-quietly-overhauled-its-insider-trading-law
Apr 17 2013 8:39PM
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t.dough
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I'm stupid? WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU THINK GUNS COME FROM? THEY DON'T MAGICALLY APPEAR IN AN UNLICENSED SELLER'S HAND. FUCK. It doesn't matter how many times the guns have changed hands. They all come from customers who buy them legally. A sufficient check should verify whether or not the customer has bought a fuckton of guns that have just vanished.

Seriously, I've spelled this out in three different ways. If you can't wrap your tiny little mind around my logic than I give up. Even if you don't agree with me, what I'm saying must make sense to a person with an IQ over 38.
Apr 17 2013 8:41PM
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BertBoyd
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Let the merica memes begin

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Apr 17 2013 8:42PM
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skiierman
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Why the fuck would I care about this bill being passed or not? Guns will still be as easy to get regardless of what is passed so it doesn't affect me.
Apr 17 2013 8:49PM
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Jeebus.
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#butthurt
Apr 17 2013 9:01PM
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Stose
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And this bill would stop that? No they would get them anyways if they wanted
Apr 17 2013 9:06PM
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wasatch_rat
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if nothing else, i think its worth taking a step back and admiring/fearing the astonishing success of the NRA over the years. Unbelievably successful lobbying group, both in and out of the legislature
Apr 17 2013 9:37PM
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Petey.
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sa'll good, man.
Apr 17 2013 9:44PM
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270on420out
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America is made up of, and run by gun-loving rednecks. Not trying to generalize but seriously. Why the hell do you need a semi-automatic assault weapon. Anyone who says "self-protection" Is full of shit. If you need a semi- automatic weapon to protect yourself, then you probably live in Afghanistan.
Apr 17 2013 10:25PM
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alex=
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Explain your reasoning
Apr 17 2013 10:33PM
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XtRemE11
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doesnt really matter when they account for less death than hands and feet. i know they look scary, but worry about something worthwhile maybe..
Apr 17 2013 11:03PM
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sugarman
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If you honest to god think that more guns in society, regardless of what hands they are falling into, (responsible owner or a gangbanger) will make your state a SAFER place as a whole then you need to continue to eat your glue paste.
Apr 17 2013 11:08PM
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JAHpow
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Exactly what I was wondering.

I'm pretty sure Obama made that up on the spot.
Apr 17 2013 11:24PM
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sugarman
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Here is the poll's results. Its question 38 if you scroll down

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes--centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1847
Apr 17 2013 11:29PM
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sugarman
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Clicky

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes--centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1847
Apr 17 2013 11:29PM
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Joebin
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Apr 17 2013 11:34PM
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JAHpow
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Interesting, thanks for that.

I am the 10%
Apr 17 2013 11:41PM
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sugarman
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All it took was a pretty simple google search, people cant just accusing Obama of making up stats. If he did that there would be way more important people calling him out then a kid on the internet.

I just dont understand how any educated person (assuming you are educated) can be opposed to universal backround checks for the most dangerous weapons that a citizen can legally acquire. It just seems like such a rationale thing to do in every situation. It does not impede on your right to own a gun, to use a gun or to get a concealed carry permit.

I am trying very hard to think like someone who is totally anti gun control and I just dont see any downsides to this bill. It can only protect, nothing else.
Apr 17 2013 11:45PM
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JAHpow
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Phil6x explains my rationale on the previous page.
Apr 17 2013 11:53PM
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Stose
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If you're mentally fucked and you want a gun, you guy buy one illegally.
Apr 18 2013 12:01AM
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XtRemE11
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for those of you saying this would not have created any kind of registry, among other things you should read this..

http://gunowners.org/congress04112013.htm

for the record im all for better and more effective background checks, but if you look at the actual bill, not just what obama's saying on tv in front of parents involved in the newton shooting to stir your emotions, you'll see there's definitely more to it than most people understand.

again, im all for better background checks, and at first i was actually FOR this bill until I skimmed over it myself and looked a little deeper into its content. I want more effective background checks, not a bunch of other pointless BS within the bill that WILL take away gun owners rights.

Oh and seeing how pissed Obama was and especially Bidens sad clown face was priceless, seeing their anger/sadness made me pretty happy. seriously, fuck that guy, saying shit like people who oppose stronger gun control, and/or this bill dont care about the kids getting shot in Newton. saying the NRA and Republicans are full of lies while he spouts lies himself, the guys such a scummy politician.

Apr 18 2013 12:14AM
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ScuffDUFF
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Ever seen lord of war??? Every single fully automatic rifle out on the streets did not come from a gun shop. They come from out of the country, where they were produced for war.
Apr 18 2013 12:21AM
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Ben.
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The NRA owns this nation at this point no surprise.
Apr 18 2013 12:23AM
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sugarman
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"-Then they expand the background checks to include miniscule things

-Next youre required to get a stamp for a background check

-Now you can only get background checks through government approved places (theyd make the license either expensive as fuck or impossible to get

-The next step is ceasing distribution of all background approval stamps"

You do realize that congress would never ever allow anything past a backround check to pass right? If they cant even let something as miniscule and insignificant as universal checks to pass there is not a chance in hell this shit ever would.
Apr 18 2013 12:55AM
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Wis_Skier_23
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I wanna know how this "extensive" background check could have stopped James Holmes from purchasing a weapon.  That guy almost had his PhD.
Apr 18 2013 1:01AM
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sugarman
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And also had a history of mental illness and meetings with his schools psychiatrist. Maybe it could have picked up on that?
Apr 18 2013 1:03AM
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Wis_Skier_23
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So where do you draw the line? what illnesses prevent someone from owning a gun and what ones are ok?
Apr 18 2013 1:35AM
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sugarman
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Well that is something that needs to be discussed. But its two o clock in the morning and I have an exam tomorrow and have little to no knowledge of mental illness and dont feel like doing any basic research right now so maybe its something that I will adress tomorrow.
Apr 18 2013 1:54AM
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Ben.
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Slippery slope = not ok when it comes to weaponry you are allowed to own.


Mental illness = a ok.


Im not going to argue with Wis_Skier, hes bought into the NRA's BS far too hard. An organization that could care less about American citizens, but pushes simply for more money for more gun companies, while sheltering them from any sort of scrutiny whatsoever.


Its insane to me however how so many congressmen and women blatantly disregarded their constituents wishes today. And more importantly how you still wont see the average American respond with their vote.


This is a great clip on how insane the NRA is, but no one will watch it because "ZOMG MSNBC BIASED".


Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy




In case embed fails.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/vp/51093920#51093920
Apr 18 2013 2:46AM
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XtRemE11
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well..... that video was retarded. her point was gun manufacturers dont want to be sued for misuse of the products they sell? no shit? why would that make any sense? im not a huge fan of the NRA, but if they're taking the heat/distracting so that gun manufacturers arent held responsible for what CRIMINALS do with their product, im all for it.
i mean really, what else are they going to blame instead of blaming the criminals themselves? they really are trying to put the blame on everything they can except the individual who is 100% responsible for their actions. its been guns that look scary, large magazines, republicans with CCW's, rednecks in their back yard shooting pop cans, the NRA, and now the gun manufacturers.. what the fuck happened to individual responsibility?
sorry, there's no logic in that, if you want to find something with the NRA to complain about, find something else, its not hard to do. but this im all for.
Apr 18 2013 4:26AM
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ski.cats
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recently proposed gun control legislation in light of recent mass shooting have been specifically geared to reduce the frequency and magnitude of those events.  aside from decrease in supply and harsher sentencing, such legislation will likely have little affect on the common criminal who makes up a majority of  crime statistics, however those who commit these acts of mass violence are not common criminals. they are often people who are still within the throes of much of societal law
Apr 18 2013 4:39AM
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roddy116
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if you look at any other country, (israel) in which most citizens have government distributed arms, then you would realize that i am right, go eat your glue paste.
Apr 18 2013 8:28AM
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sugarman
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I just did a quick google search and Israel seems to be a horrible example.

Here are some stats.

Guns per Person:

Israel: 7.3/100 citizens
America: 88.8/100 citizens

Rate of Gun deaths per 100 000

Israel: 1.86
America: 10.3

You just proved my point perfectly. Less guns in Israel is clearly translating to less murders, fucking TEN FOLD.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/israel

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
Apr 18 2013 8:49AM
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skiierman
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Except everyone in Israel at the age of 18 is forced to serve in the military for 1-3 years depending on gender so there's that... keep comparing oranges to apples, that seems to be the only argument you could have against better gun regulations.
Apr 18 2013 8:54AM
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.frenchy
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Who gives a rats ass about the people in isreal.
Apr 18 2013 9:01AM
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sugarman
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Im sorry that the person that I quoted used that as an argument FOR less gun laws and I proved him wrong.

Norway has forced conscription for for all 18 year old citizens as well. I dont see how comparing developed states is comparing oranges to apples....?
Apr 18 2013 9:02AM
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sugarman
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Roddy116 did and it seems like he shares your point of views regarding this topic.
Apr 18 2013 9:03AM
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