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NEW FREESTYLE PRODUCT questions

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mattshuttonspd
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Hi,

A team of product designers are developing a product for freestyle skiers whereby the skier is slowed down rapidly when landing a jump facing forwards, in the following positions:

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Points to note:
-The skier will not be slowed down during normal upright skiing.
-The product will not hinder skiing backwards.
-The product will only work on groomed pistes ie. Snow Park.
-The product will deploy/work automatically.
-The product targets novice freestyle skiers.
-The product is a safety device.

Questions:
-Could you see yourself using such a device?
-Would you prefer the product to be integrated or bought as an add on feature of the ski?
-Do you think the product should be hidden or visible to other skiers?
Any other input would be much appreciated and we are open to all suggestions.

We are happy to answer question to clarify what we are trying to achieve, to help provoke discussion. And we will do our best to answer all questions that conform to the boundaries of our confidentiality.

We want to know what you think of the concept, so that we can incorporate some real user opinions into our product brief.

Thanks
Mar 18 2013 9:11AM
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Laurent.
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This illustrates another fine use of the Danforth anchor, the ability to remove unwanted bones from your body. A Danforth anchor is like a Swiss pocket knife, only larger and better. It's the ultimate EDC.

I always carry a few with me, you never know when they come in handy.
Mar 18 2013 2:15PM
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Mr.Huck
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Mar 18 2013 2:58PM
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scarsimd
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fucking genius
Mar 18 2013 3:02PM
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ForeverYung
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Your product is bad and you should feel bad
Mar 18 2013 4:00PM
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SamMcChesney
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this is dumb as hell
Mar 18 2013 5:56PM
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MASkier
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I wouldn't want to use this in the park, but for people who ski all mountain and occasionally ski park this would be great.
Mar 19 2013 1:24PM
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mattshuttonspd
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Great, thanks for your feedback, we are now discussing how we can make this idea more freestyle friendly from the responses on this thread and other customer feedback we have gathered.
Mar 20 2013 8:43AM
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4-Front
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Ok so for starters this is basically the worst place to come for asking questions on such a device.

The first issue with your product is that it doesn't solve any problems experiences by novice skiers. Landing backseat and slowing down fast is not an issue to skiers so no one would be interested in your product. I honestly think such a device would actually increase the risk of injury and would probably be illegal at most ski resorts.

I legit think you are trolling because this idea is very very dumb.
Mar 20 2013 10:01AM
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dullo
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How is this going??
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Apr 23 2013 11:13AM
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Poikenz
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I would have to agree with everyone else.

You aren't solving much of a problem (but most products don't). Most acl or knee injuries don't come from landing back seat, but come from one of your edges catching in the snow and twisting your knee in an unnatural way.

The only injury I could see would be shin/ toe bang which can be solved by getting boots that fit properly. Some slow down device wouldn't solve either of those problems, it would just slow them down so they can get back up.

Not only that but it may look like someone totally landed a trick so you drop in to find out mid jump that they are using such a product and have stopped mid landing causing you to run into them.

Did you even think about jumps? or any sort of dip. if you are going through a side trail with a bunch of "U" shapes on it the flex in the ski will put pressure on this "product" back seat or not and you can really fuck kids up (they ski close together and I only see parents buying this "safety" product if anything).

bottom line: good job trying to improve ski technology, just don't do this one as it is truly a bad idea.
Apr 23 2013 12:03PM
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De-Clan
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I honestly don't see this catching on at all, as Malcolm said earlier, if ur gonna fall u will, u learn from your mistake and do it again, I just don't see anybody needing/wanting this to be honest, no hate but you should put your money into something a bit more practical, why not like liners that have all new technology with a sponging or jell in the front and bak and toes to stop shin bang and toe back and calf burn when you do land backseat, just help no hate
Apr 23 2013 12:09PM
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BlackcountryBill
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NS, I have insider information on this pioneering new product and exclusive photos of the working prototypes.

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May 31 2013 2:06PM
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BskiP
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This is retarded. Speed is your friend. The last thing I would want if i get a little wobbly on a spin is something to catch my tails, whether I am landing switch or straight. not to mention what this would feel like in the air, or the shit it would catch on all over the place. Not to mention it doesn't solve a single problem, only creates more things that could go wrong. After skiing park for just about as long as skiers have been allowed in terrain parks, I can't say there is anything this product could do for anyone. good luck.
May 31 2013 2:28PM
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I_Am_Mod
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and the winner of this thread is ....

*drum roll*

MR HUCK !

ba dum tsss !
May 31 2013 2:39PM
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ny300z
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id rather buy jets for my skis then brakes.  no one wants to slow down here.


May 31 2013 2:41PM
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johnk
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what happens if your mini manning(sitting on the back of your skis)into a jump... you wouldn't gain speed but loose speed...
May 31 2013 2:46PM
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d00d
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This is a terrible idea make something that prevents people from getting butt fucked when landing back seat from their bindings. Now that's something I could take into consideration. But I still probably wouldn't.
May 31 2013 2:52PM
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Mr.Huck
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Future tricks courtesy of this product:

Buttered takeoff to involuntary switch quad back flip.

Hand drag takeoff to involuntary quad misty flip.
May 31 2013 3:02PM
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casual
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I think kids should just stay inside wrapped in bubble wrap, masturbating to avoid contracting std's and playing video games in order to avoid injury.

It's scary out there! Bad things happen!

I have never met ANYONE even marginally interested in freeskiing, who would find this product useful. Skiing, even in a purposefully cautious manner, is wrought with risk of injury. There's nothing inherently safe about gliding down a mountain. My question is where does this end? There are many other injuries that are nearly as likely to occur park skiing, are you going to attempt to mitigate all of them via a device? People slide out on rails all the time, thus injuring their hips, maybe beginners should wear an inflatable swimmy tube?

One of the first things I learned skiing, and I mean rec skiing, is that if you end up in the position you described, the best thing to do is to roll onto your side (today I would....just standup?) and depending on lots of factors, maybe get your skis off of the snow. Sure, attempting to recover from a backseat fall is classic ACL stuff, but if this product is intended for beginners, presumably hitting beginner features, are there even the forces involved necessary to cause the injury? I just don't see tearing my ACL because I stood up from a backseat landing on a 15ft. jump. Further, learning to fall properly is a crucial skiing skill. This product attempts to prevent the inevitable, and isn't it better to have the muscle memory and experience of recovering/falling?
May 31 2013 3:07PM
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CaptainObvious.
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There is absolutely no way to market this product stigma-free. There isn't a single approach that can be taken that will allow any park novices to be interested in using it. Consider that your key demographic for a novice park skier is a male between the ages of 7 and 17. Males between the ages of 7 and 17 are mainly concerned with their peers' perceptions of them. This is absolute fact. I was the exact same way. Purchasing this (assuming pricey) device will not happen - regardless of how discreet you make it.

Not to mention the flaws in technology concept. This idea can be compared to attaching rugged training wheels to a mountain bike that are only meant to deploy when someone starts to tip left or right. Skiers lean backwards. There are very few tricks - that I'm assuming your key demographic is aspiring to learn - that don't require the skier to put themselves in one of your listed positions. Not to mention, what do you intend to do when someone gets into powder?

I understand where your head is at, and I'm sure you and your colleagues are driven to create a new product for the industry, but trust me when I say, this isn't it.
May 31 2013 3:11PM
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