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Why do we still not have up and down votes for posts?
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(My standard disclaimer for any time I ask a question like this in this forum: I adore this site and it's beautiful, much nicer on the eyes and more functional than most any other site i know of. i appreciate the work you guys put into it and i have almost no complaints ever)
anyway...why do we still not have up and down votes for individual posts? i know you admire reddit's system, mr bishop, so why havent we implemented this yet? each post can be upvoted or downvoted by everyone, so GENERALLY, good, informative posts get upvoted a lot, bad ones get downvoted a lot, and the reader can usually get a good idea of how much stock to put into any given post by looking at its score. this also eliminates millions of quote + "this" posts to back up good posts
this also means that users' karma scores can actually mean something because they simply are their net upvotes, rather than a one-time 1-10 score. if a post has +134 upvotes you can be pretty confident that it's trustworthy... and if a user has thousands and thousands of upvotes, you can reasonably assume he's a pretty good member for the most part
so why havent we done this?
PS- one more thing-- if we do this system, let's skip the part where a post is hidden if it gets 5 or more downvotes. that is RETARDED
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People will downvote all posts made by particular members they dislike, regardless of the quality of their posts. It will never really be a fair assessment of the post quality when you have a bunch of butthurt little kids giving -1 to people every time they see their name pop up in a thread because they got made fun of 2 weeks ago.
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I'm not personally worried about it at all. I would gladly embrace having a rating of -5000. I'm just saying, if you want a way to accurately measure the quality of posts in a thread, this is not it. I mean, fuck, how hard is it to just read an entire thread and make a decision for yourself?
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well actually, that's one of the main reasons the reddit system would be a lot better. right now, it's a one time rating of a user as a whole. someone could make thousands of super legit posts but the only rating he'll ever have from certain people is a 0/10 cause of some stupid ass political thread in NSG
this way, you can rate each post for its content. and there are way too many people on this site for the relatively tiny amount of people lame enough to categorically downvote someone's posts to ruin the system. if i make a good post, it's gonna get a lot of upvotes from the thousands of people that can read it and it's not gonna make a big difference if 5 people ive pissed off downvote it cause theyre bitter
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Yeah, I guess I understand what you're saying. I don't go on Reddit, so I don't really know how their system works. I still think it's more beneficial to read the entire thread rather than search out posts in a thread that have positive ratings next to them or however it works. You do make a good point that the negative votes based on personal grudges/whatever will probably be outweighed by people who actually give a shit about the thread though haha.
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yeah well i'd suggest keeping the posts in order of chronological order like we do now. reddit by default sorts them by "best"...you can change that but yeah that's default over there, wouldnt want that here at all
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Came here to hate, but after thinking about it, it's really seems like the next "logical" step in the progression of the rating system on this site.
If that makes sense.
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So true. It would be funny thought but I still am good on it
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Idk about other people but I constantly adjust the rating f members. It's not even about fucking with their karma, I use it to remember who posts what.
It gives me more insight into the tone of their post and their general behavior. My brain has a shit memory these days. I'll have somebody at 0/10 but they'll post something legit and I'll bump them up a little.
Idk it's helped me out, maybe I'm the only one but I like it.
And true, but it depends how many people you made bitter. Never underestimate the 12 years olds(fuck no this post is getting downvoted)
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Yea I tend to do the same with karma. I see someone post something awesome, then realize I had them at 0/10 so I bump them up a bit.
As long as the posts stay in chronological order, rate anything and everything however you want. But the moment they are displayed by highest rating order...we no longer have a forum. We just have reddit. And if I want reddit, I go to reddit. Not NS.
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NS will always be NS. It doesn't make sense for us to change into something we aren't, but it does make a ton of sense for us to take influences of good parts of the internet. Its like when your favorite musician all of a sudden gets into another musician you like - and influences start to show up in their music.
We absolutely understand the importance of forevermore maintaining the 'latest' ordering. Even if we did go to the point as to offer hot, top rated, controversial or 'happy' views - latest post would never, ever, ever, ever be ditched.
Our main thing we got from Reddit is the math they use to sort stuff. On the back end of the internet there is some pretty complicated mathematics, but if you borrow formulas from other smart people then we all don't need to go back to get our masters in Math at University to make sure NS is still cool. The ranking stuff we have learned has been like magic, actually getting a much more accurate picture of what is good and what isn't.
As to why we haven't added up/down votes to posts within the forum yet, there are two reasons. The first is performance, until very recently we didn't have a way to render that many voting buttons quickly on one page. Paul solved that with the latest updates to the homepage.
The second is just what you're all talking about - the possible drastic change to the culture of Newschoolers isn't something we plan on taking lightly.
Up/Down posts could change everything. It could change drastically how Karma is calculated, drastically your opinion of other members, and it offers a massive amount of possibilities for sorting options for the forums. Like our media galleries, we could easily add other methods to sort/look at forums for those who don't want to sort through as much stuff, or those who just want to check out a bit of NS gold without digging. It would actually give threads accurate ratings in regards to the content of the whole thread vs. just the opinion of OP.
Now, we do definitely plan to put this into a forum overhaul plan. However, before we commit 100%, we're going to take a long look at the functionality and culture behind the NS forums. We'd implement this only if we can come up with a cool way to add to the experience, and add to the overall culture of the place.
TL;DR: We can do this, and we can make it absolutely awesome. Just will not rush into it.
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In M&A there's a lot of people that ask questions, what lens, what camera, etc, when you're new and there's people that are spewing bs convincingly it's not helpful, same thing happens in gear talk.
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rock on mr bishop you da man
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i think that serves my point even more. if you like a person and their posts on here, the most you can ever credit them is by a one time 10/10 rating. after that, any thing they post that you appreciate can't really be recognized by you
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We already have karma for that purpose. I don't think rating then even further based on every single post they make
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naw not at all, but that's not the reason i think the system would be better. i think good and bad posts should be distinguished is all. and without the need for quote + "this"
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