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BravoWhiskey5280
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There are more deaths caused by hammers and clubs. Eat that stat you gun grabbing lunatics. cough cough Obama.
Jan 4 2013 12:55AM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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Actually it's downplaying rifle related homicides. I'm sure there are many more rifle related deaths than this article states. Hunting and gun cleaning accidents are not homicides.

Guns are dangerous, I prefer a little risk in life though, go live in a bubble and never leave the house if you want assured safety.


And the kid talking about rifles being pointless and everyone should just hunt with a handgun is daft for sure.
Jan 4 2013 11:00AM
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gurneykid
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A hobby my family has is to go shooting together! We have a great time! But the government better take away our guns so that my middle class suburban family in which no has any sort of record won't walk down the street and shoot people up. Because I mean we have guns, what else would we do with them but kill?
Jan 4 2013 11:10AM
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gurneykid
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Why do you keep thinking the only purpose of a gun is murdering people? Better get rid of all the bleach in my house, it can only be used to kill! Or get ride of all the gas, it is used only as an explosive!
Jan 4 2013 11:13AM
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gurneykid
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Why would this article downplay anything about rifle deaths? If anything it would exaggerate them.
Jan 4 2013 11:18AM
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SkiBum.
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To shoot shit you dumb fuck. You ever target shoot or shoot shit for fun? Guess not. Go buy a gun and dont be a pussy
Jan 4 2013 11:21AM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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matter of opinion. In my state you can hunt with a handgun, as well as many other states. That doesn't mean I'm gonna go sit in a tree stand with one, but if I wound a deer with a bad shot and have to track it through thick brush where it will most likely jump up a short distance ahead I would much rather have a long barrel revolver. Swinging a rifle around in thick PA mountain laurel is quite a pain in the ass believe me.

My first handgun will be purchased with the intent of hunting.

Good luck with that 410, another matter of opinion I guess. I'd much rather have a 44 or 45 if I had to defend my home with a handgun.
Jan 4 2013 11:27AM
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Amadeus.
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Guns are for pussies. Go learn some Taekwondo or some shit and be a real man. Shooting rodents, and targets doesn't make you anymore of an adult or a badass.
Jan 4 2013 11:27AM
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*Dos*Planker*
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No, but clearly you are. He was not stating that we should ban the use of riffles because they kill people in countries with which we have a military conflict, he was using the gross number of casualties caused by our firearms to illustrate just how inappropriate the use of assault rifles are within our own very protected country. The presence of guns will on serve to facilitate there need.
Jan 4 2013 11:29AM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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Actually hunting shooting gutting cleaning and butchering an animal that you harvest from the forest to feed your family all for the price of a 40 dollar hunting license does make you more of a badass in my book.
Jan 4 2013 11:33AM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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I mean just look at this badass right here.

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Jan 4 2013 11:48AM
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Stickity
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please quote where i said that. i never said a thing about hunting. i actually think hunting's fine. i personally wouldn't hunt because i just don't care for it, but i don't understand this overwhelming need to have firearms
Jan 4 2013 11:49AM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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It was just this comment I took issue with. I guess it's just confusing. You state rifles are good for hunting, then follow it by saying if you wanna own a gun you need nothing more than a handgun. a rifle ban is in no way logical when hunting exists in this country.
Jan 4 2013 11:58AM
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Stickity
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i really would have no issue with it if they made getting guns really difficult. not impossible, just enough to make sure you don't have a record, or a potentially unstable psyche, or be living with someone who could pose a threat. anyone who wanted to hunt would be able to do so, but you couldn't just waltz into a store, buy some kind of gun, and be on your merry way. i might be biased since no one in my family hunts or has any other reason to own a gun so in my eyes having a gun is playing with fire
Jan 4 2013 12:23PM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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Fair enough, I'm all for gun rights and hunting but even I could live with restrictions to buy being tightened a little bit.

Let's just be honest here. You might be biased?? haha I have no problem saying I most definitely am biased. I was raised with guns and hunting since I was 12 years old. In my eyes they are a tool just like a knife or hammer, they serve a purpose. I was taught their purpose is to take animals and they are never in any way to be pointed at a human and should always be treated as loaded.

It is indeed playing with fire, it is a dangerous tool that is to be treated with respect just like a car or a pocket knife or an axe. They can all be deadly weapons if misused. Also for the sake of humor it should be stated that I indeed also enjoy playing with fire, not like pyro enjoy, but there is no feeling of satisfaction like harvesting wood and starting a fire to heat your house instead of turning up the thermostat on the wall.

My biggest gripe is with this crap about registration. I do not want to have written record for the government to keep track of how many or what kind of guns I have. In my eyes that is my business and I believe them doing such is just one step away from taxing or charging for registration of said tools.

For the record I am in no way speaking about assault rifles.
Jan 4 2013 12:43PM
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Stickity
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i say might be because i have no reason to be either for or against gun ownership or gun control.

just out of curiosity, what do you think about the ownership of assault rifles by the general public?
Jan 4 2013 12:57PM
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PASKIINGSUCKS
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When you make statements like "what is the reason for anyone to own a rifle?" it kinda sounds like you are against gun ownership. Having no experience with something yet being against it I believe is being biased. I could be confusing your statement though. I'm just much more willing to admit bias becuase my feeling is that we are all bias to some extent, to be completely objective is damn near impossible.


I believe that the our gun rights were put there for various reasons, one being to make a strong public in the face of any danger. If our government has those such weapons than I believe the general public should have some sort of access to them as well. I'm not saying we should all be crafting up nukes in our backyard shed, but assault rifles isn't out of line in my opinion. I'd be open to tight regulations in getting them though.
Jan 4 2013 1:16PM
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Darth.Maul
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The word assault rifle is thrown around so loosely these days. By assault rifle I'm assuming you mean the typical AR-15 style gun that looks all tactical and ready to pwn some noobs in CoD? Just because the military uses the M4 and M16, we assume that all guns that look similar to those are terrorist killing machines? We have a AR that we use for hunting that is chambered to shoot a .308 round. Just because a gun is black and tactical, doesn't make it an assault rifle. In fact it would be a hard time trying to commit a mass murder with our AR due to the fact that it kicks so damn hard and punching off rounds out of it would put you on your back.

Also, take a look at the SKS for example:
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This looks just like any hunting rifle from afar but is a semi-auto rifle that uses the same round as an AK. Most people wouldn't consider this to be an assault rifle by any means. It has a wood stock, long barrel, no red dot scope, no adjustable stock. But could just as easily mow down innocent civilians as a handgun or AR-15.


Jan 4 2013 1:29PM
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IDMT_BC024
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What about hunting and target shooting? I live out west so I know tons of people who own guns to hunt and target shoot. I'm guessing you live in the east or midwest and have limited exposure to guns, because its ignorant to assume that guns are used for nothing but killing and causing misery. Shooting trap is a really fun and competitive sport that has nothing to do with having a gun to "act like a badass" or kill people. I have friends who do it competitively. I also have friends who compete in biathlons and own rifles. Should they have their freedoms limited because a couple of nutcases killed people with guns?

I'm pretty liberal but I hate how a lot of liberals attempt to regulate the world to safety. Would the U.S. be SLIGHTLY safer if all guns are banned? Probably but the number of lives saved would be minuscule compared to the number of people killed in car accidents or from tobacco each year. On the other hand a large number of law abiding citizens who own guns for legitimate purposes would have their freedoms reduced. (I agree with you that the self defense argument is pretty much bullshit except in some limited cases.) Banning everything dangerous should not be the purpose of government.
Banning alcohol would result in a safer society than banning guns. Why not argue for that?

"Those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Ben Franklin
"I'm a firm believer that our world needs to stay open. Our world is so full of regulation it really mutes who we are as human beings and who we are as a society."
- Rob Gaffney, M.D.

The last thing we need is more regulation, even if it means our lives are a little more dangerous.
And if you think that the huge majority of gun users don't own guns for recreation and use them safely and responsibly you are sheltered and uninformed.

Jan 4 2013 1:33PM
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ski_ENDUB
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there's only one logical solution, Baseball must be banned
Jan 4 2013 1:37PM
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MatRich
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this thread:


Hey guys its statistically proven that hammers hill more people than guns.

if you exclude several types of guns, wars, and general gunplay. and also include construction workers falling of roofs with a hammer in their hand, and hammer head sharks, and people who died listening to mc hammer, and count ban hammers on the internet as deaths. Hell take any blunt object murder into acount since those can be used as a hammer.


OUTLAW FUCKING HAMMERS! WE NEED MORE GUNS TO PROTECT OURSELVES!
Jan 4 2013 1:37PM
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SkiBum.
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Thats because you sound like a pussy. Guns are not for you.
Jan 4 2013 4:09PM
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Stickity
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it's real easy to call people out from behind a keyboard
Jan 4 2013 4:17PM
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SkiBum.
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It's because I am a badass with guns...
Jan 4 2013 4:30PM
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