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Torturing murderers.

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Jeebus.
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Yes, torture is wrong but so is killing innocent children / people. I think we need to bring back torture for fuckheads like these kids, because simply killing them or putting them in prison is not enough, these people need to suffer.
Dec 14 2012 4:16PM
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feihlination
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you do know that the nazis also had "plans" for mentally and physically handicapped people you "fucking idiot"? and they did carry them out? you say that handicapped people of some sort should get extinguished in a very disturbing way, comparing them to fatally ill animals.

and nietzsche? now i know youre trolling. have you even read "also sprach zarathustra" (too lazy to look up the english title)? i know he was abused by nazi philosophy, but to say that nietzsche implied a biological or racist philosophy with his übermensch/last people terminology is just wrong.

communists and fascists all tried to incorporate nietzsche, but simply because he is too complicated to read and you can interpret him in dozens of ways. being a native speaker and having read the original, i can safely say that 95% dont understand him, possibly including me but definitely including the nazi fuckheads.

Dec 15 2012 11:11AM
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the-honeypossum
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hopefully they get tourtured enough in prison being big bubbas bitch
Dec 15 2012 12:39PM
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[hamnuts]
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That's why it could never be put into effect because we don't have a system to gauge that
Dec 15 2012 12:56PM
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[hamnuts]
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But I do believe there are people are definitely past the point of rehabilitation or being helped who are destined to rot in prison for the rest of their lives.
Dec 15 2012 12:59PM
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Bogs
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yeah. its just too hard of a call to make. you're definitely right, there are some people to are just too far gone to get help, unfortunately.
Dec 15 2012 1:17PM
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[hamnuts]
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Yes, I do know that. Its completely different from what I am saying. I am not talking about doing anything to systematically harm mentally and physically handicapped people. I am talking about convicted criminals and guys like the one yesterday who murdered 20 children. I never said that "handicapped people of some sort should get extinguished in a very disturbing way" I said that convicted criminals (criminals who we KNOW are guilty) who are obviously mentally ill (such as pedophiles who rape, torture and murder children, that man from Connecticut, criminals like Paul Bernardo) should be the recipients of capital punishment. Where I differ from the OP is that it shouldn't be painful, it should be a painless euthanasia, no torture involved. Because I believe that capital punishment should focus more on protecting society and saving taxpayer dollars, which is why we euthanize animals who deemed too vicious because they are a threat to society, can never be rehabilitated, and are pointless to keep alive and rot in a cage for eternity.

I have read "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" and "The Birth of Tragedy' and "The Gay Science." I agree 100% that Nietzsche was abused by Hitler and his Nazi Party. What I was trying to emphasize was that with my post I wasn't supporting the eradication of mentally ill people to help create the "Superman" (Ubermensch) race. Because some thinkers attribute the philosophy of Nietzsche to Hitler ideology and that he DID use Nietzsche's philosophy as a scapegoat to push his own sick ideology I mentioned him in my previous post.

I don't claim to understand Nietzsche. Never did.

And in my first post I explained that what I was about to say was my OWN opinion on capital punishment. I wanted to emphasize that I differed from OP because I didn't believe in torture of criminals. I know what I have said will never be implemented for a billion reasons, all of which are 100% legitimate. Things such as fair trials, wrongful convictions, and the sheer price of capital trials ensure that it would never happen. And I understand and agree with this, I was just looking at capital punishment from a different perspective.
Dec 15 2012 1:23PM
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mmallender.
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one of the reasons why capital punishment is is so much more expensive than a life sentence, because before you do something to endanger a basic human right, regardless of how much they may be deserving of it, you ABSOLUTELY HAVE to be sure that they are deserving of it, once its done its done, theres no going back
Dec 15 2012 2:08PM
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Gods_Father
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so you're saying you will decide who gets to live or die?

no thanks hun

Dec 15 2012 2:41PM
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Vitiligo
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i feel what ever a criminal does to someone they need the same done to them....only under some circumstances of course
Dec 15 2012 2:42PM
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Gods_Father
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relax, you're not much different since you believe that the best way to stop crime is to only allow criminals to possess firearms lol.
Dec 15 2012 3:04PM
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Wallisch_pl
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this, why kill them and make them get what they wanted, rather then letting them rot in a jail cell for the rest of there pathetic lives +rape in prison
Dec 15 2012 5:32PM
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Wallisch_pl
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Anyone remember the massacre in norway last year? yeah, he killed 77 people, 69 of which he killed while staring directly into their eyes, he made a car bomb and blew up a part of Olsen, and all for the reason of trying to tell people that Islam is a threat to norway....his punishment...21 years in prison...and the punishment of killing someone in america can be life

The weird thing is, he is sane, he pleaded not guilty, he planned it for years...I'm not sure if that's all correct but if not please say something
Dec 15 2012 5:38PM
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feihlination
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i think he is such a special case in norway that they will probably keep him in some sort of "medical" custody after the 21 years. i think he is "sane" in a certain way but has so fucked up believes that they will probably be able to keep him in prison afterwards.

its the maximum sentence in norway. prisons are fucking hotels and yet, its one of the safer countries in the world, one of the most advanced countries when it comes to culture and freedom.



he planned it for 9 years, so you cannot really say that gun control is too lax. if youre that committed, you can get guns anywhere. the breivik case is more like 9/11 to norway (when you compare inhabitants to victims its not that far off).


on another note, if he ever were to be released, i am pretty sure that he wouldnt last long.
Dec 15 2012 6:38PM
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yeahno
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Serving life in prison is torture.
Dec 15 2012 6:41PM
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Zimmerman
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Question for OP: Who tortures and kills the person who tortures and kills the murderer?
Dec 15 2012 6:55PM
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Jeebus.
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its a never ending cycle, maybe we can get other criminals to do it.
Dec 15 2012 7:00PM
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feihlination
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so fuckhead A who enjoys torturing people to death (and will probably be tortured to death later on) can torture fuckhead B to death?


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Dec 15 2012 8:02PM
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Pikachu.
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What the serious fuck is wrong in your head? She was talking about putting people to the death penalty when they do something bad and you are talking about torturing them, and your calling her Adolf?

God you must be stupid
Dec 15 2012 8:24PM
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THUNT836
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Countless statistics have shown that increasing severity of punishment has little to no effect on the rates at which crimes are committed. No criminal considers the length of sentence he will receive or the fact that he might get the death sentence. If you are following through with a premeditated crime, you've obviously planned it in a way that you believe you will get away with. No sane person goes through with committing a crime that he expects to get arrested for, and therefore no criminal considers the consequences. Insane people do not deliberate, and therefore also do not consider the consequences of their crime.
Dec 15 2012 8:30PM
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Jeebus.
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She was talking about killing all the mentally incapable people...
Dec 15 2012 8:43PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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I haven't read the thread, but I'm assuming most people don't agree with the OP. I am curious though as to how many of you think that torture should be used in obtaining information in extreme circumstances. For instance, if we knew a terrorist (to keep with the trend of the times) had direct information that could help us prevent/stop an imminent nuclear attack on a major american city, and torture was the only means to get that info in time, do you condone it under those circumstances?
Dec 15 2012 8:53PM
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deleted5
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i would be for it if it works but as far as interrogation torture is not an effective mean of obtaining information, there are much betters ways of doing it.
Dec 15 2012 9:56PM
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feihlination
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i would be against it, just because it opens a pandoras box.


obviously, for such an extreme case, ANYONE would be for it, including me. when you could save millions of lives, normal rules go out the window. but once you started it doing it in these cases, soon people will be tortured to prevent any murders and maybe after that even lesser crimes.


i think there was this case in germany a while ago where a police officer beat up/psycho-tortured a murderer because there was one kid still in his secret ambush (if i remember right some remote cabin in the woods), and time was running out. the guy wasnt saying anything initially, but eventually the kid was saved because of the torture.

problem is, that now the murderer will be released earlier because of the "mistakes" made during his interrogation.

omg, my memory is fuzzy, i have to look that shit up.
Dec 16 2012 4:51AM
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