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onthehump
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Just think about this when you are looking at bindings my friends! Peace and Happy Trails to All!!
Dec 5 2012 8:50PM
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vincentlee223
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I feel like anyone that has ever worked in a shop and stocks Nordica, falls in love with them.
Dec 10 2012 3:46PM
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.RYAN66
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nordica really takes care of the guys.

but most of the guys I work with love the skis hate the boots. starting to get better though.
Dec 10 2012 7:14PM
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vincentlee223
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It's true. The boots need a bit more marketing and they'll be set. The all mountain skis they put out sell pretty easy though.
Dec 10 2012 7:19PM
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PNSkier
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Maybe this is true. I really didn't think much of their boots until I started working at a shop and they came out with their three piece boots.

And yes, they definitely take care of shop workers. I ain't mad
Dec 10 2012 7:40PM
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.RYAN66
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theyre new boots suck, they had a good boot market going and they jacked it up.
Dec 10 2012 8:24PM
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SirBooley
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. the ace of spades i got from last year were shit.
Dec 10 2012 8:27PM
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PNSkier
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*their

how do you feel their boots have changed recently? just curious
Dec 10 2012 10:23PM
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Sneaky_Aziz
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Fucking nordica fanboys. TNSM
Dec 10 2012 10:58PM
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Doug.
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What didnt you like about them?

I got a pair last year for super cheap new and I love them.
Maybe its just the fact that they actually fit and are decently stiff coming from spks.
Dec 11 2012 12:29AM
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SirBooley
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i guess it was rude of me to call them "shit"…

it could of been a mixture of a poor boot fitter, but i wasn't really digging the whole feel of the boot.

after it started to break in, it was packing out like crazy so i had to tighten the buckles down to the tighest adjustment. Also the tongues of the liner didn't "stay up" if you know what i mean, so every time i would flex my tongues or drive my shins, the tongue would sag down, creating a pinch on the top of my ankle, and an unnatural fit over my whole shin.

While they were stiff, it just didnt seem natural to me, and it just didn't work out. Maybe it was just me, who knows.
Dec 11 2012 12:42AM
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Ehh...
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question: So how are nordica boots in flex and preventing shin bang as well as keeping your toes warm and comfort?


As well as what about Roxa boots? i know the shop I work at sells them, but I don't talk about them to customers as thats our bootfitter's job. But i'm curious about how Roxa boots hold up.
Dec 11 2012 12:52AM
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SirBooley
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Personal Experience: Flex seemed unnatural, shins killed/were pinched on lower portion, and my toes actually got a little cold in windy snowy cold conditions over thanksgiving (and my toes never get cold usually).

Overall i wasn't too impressed.

I'm not qualified to speak on the ROxa's however
Dec 11 2012 1:33AM
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PNSkier
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for me, nordicas flex has worked really well. its really really hard to crush down a nordica three piece. and im just the opposite, it feels natural and very comfortable. my feet never really get cold and thats remained true with my boots. very very comfortable.

i dont know anything about roxa boots.

obviously you have two completely opposing thoughts on them, so the best thing would be to let the bootfitter as your shop check you out
Dec 11 2012 9:26AM
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onenerdykid
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Ok, because you called me a troll, I will answer your questions. And for the record, I am taking off my "Atomic" hat here and solely replying to you as boot-fitter with 10+ years of experience working on & selling boots and fitting some of the best skiers in the industry.

1. you are right that lateral stiffness is crucial in producing a proper turn, but Nordica's design does not lend itself to increasing lateral stiffness. Material selection is more important than their 3-piece shell construction- just look to any race boot (including Nordica) for which boots produce the highest lateral stiffness.

2. progressive flex is important, but this trait is not unique to Nordica since most every overlap boot produces this.

3. 45° angle buckles don't actually provide more heel hold- this is a function of last shape and liner construction. Again, many 4-buckle overlap boots have far more heel hold than the Firearrow and it is not because of their buckle arrangement. Also, 45° buckles provide constant headache for boot-fitters trying to solve medial ankle & navicular issues. Stretching and grinding in this area is rarely successful.

4. All liners are handmade, with machine help. No liner is completely made by hand without a sewing machine.

5. Nordica is not the only company using rubberized boot boards, but they are the only company that has chosen to rivet the boot board into the chassis which makes customizing the boot board impossible.

6. Nordica is not the only company using dual hardness, replaceable soles. Even FT has that now.

7. True

8. All companies measure their flex in terms of Newton meters but chose not to say that to consumers because it is even more confusing than just saying flex. Also, I don't know of anyone who actually cares about flex, progressiveness, and rebound. In my opinion, they are making a complicated idea (boot flex) even more complicated not easier to understand.
Dec 11 2012 11:49AM
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SirBooley
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haha sit down PNS! too bad i already have onenerdykid at 10/10. Dude kills it.
Dec 11 2012 11:54AM
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bdarb207
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I had Nordicas and my feet hated me. I tried full tilts and they are by far the most comfortable high performing boots I've had. Everything you say makes sense and is probably true but if something works for someone why tell them how dumb they are for having an opinion. Especially on something as subjective as boots, I have messed up feet and when I tried the classics and they worked for me ibwas stoked. Nvm how much money I saved. People have different preferences. I get the bandwagon thing is annoying but I know what I like I don't need you to spew technical jargon to tell me which I think feels bEtter.
Dec 11 2012 12:02PM
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PNSkier
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Hahaha man you're a silly guy. You remind me of the pipsqueak kid tat stands behind his big brother and screams "yea!" after his big bro "brings it" to his bully.

I'm just geekin out at your overly concerned karma rating LOL

There's a few things your buddy said that I'm going to have to disagree with, especially concerning the 45 degree closure and I think you're thinking of the EDT system concerning riveting boards into the chassis, which is a feature on the firearrow models, not park and pipe models. A lot of my points were made to simply show many of the goons on here that buy FT because Tammy walnuts rides for them doesn't make them great and that there are other boots out there that work much better. Nordy is making a lot of changes to their program l, obviously with the pick up of Dale T and Evan Williams. It'll be interesting to see how many people start reppin nordy hard after this year. I've certainly noticed a boost in calls at the shop for p&p nordy boots
Dec 11 2012 1:47PM
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ejm
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fuck marker, ive got 4 seasons on my $120 px12 jib's with not a single problem. Sure there abit heavy, but id rather have heavy durable bindings then cheap plastic hunks of shit, that blew out in a month of normal skiing.
Dec 11 2012 2:00PM
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onenerdykid
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45 degree closure doesn't make for good heel retention- the last shape does. Dobermann Pro has more heel retention than Firearrow, fact. Their FSE boot boards are not riveted, I was referring to the EDT models. And it's weird that you call out FT for having athletes who inspire boot sales, but if Nordica does it, it will be a good thing.
Dec 11 2012 2:08PM
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Session
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None of this matters because the Noridca 3 piece does not fit like the FT 3 piece.
Dec 11 2012 2:20PM
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SirBooley
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this. And to PNS, go ahead drain my karma LOL. It's a number on a website…idgaf. I have much bigger things to worry about than insecure chad's like you who try to act tough with their misguided opinions on X and Y.
Dec 11 2012 4:23PM
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linus_deboss
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did you ever look at his karma graphic? x'D
Dec 11 2012 4:26PM
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broto
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i'm 160 pounds and have had no problems with griffons in 2 seasons. i also have had no problem with my FT classics. OP is a dumb ass. and probably a troll.


on an unrelated note, i would love to have onenerdykid fit my boots for me. dude seems to more about bootfitting than anyone.
Dec 11 2012 6:09PM
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PNSkier
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straight from this years catalog. you would think a boot fitter with 10 yrs experience would take a second to actually read product information that should be supplied to you.

and hey, if its a company I like getting exposure through riders, I'm all for it! I didnt like FT before tammy walnuts, and I still dont!
Dec 11 2012 8:37PM
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PNSkier
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oh and you obviously didnt read what i said, because i even said you were referring to EDT not FSE. we werent even discussing EDT so I'm not sure what youre getting at
Dec 11 2012 8:38PM
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PNSkier
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@Tylenol @Skiingaintacrime or whatever your name is, i dont care about karma, so i dont go on and drain karma lol. pretty sure i made that clear, however.
Dec 11 2012 8:45PM
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NinetyFour
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So how about that information regurgitation?
Dec 11 2012 9:29PM
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PNSkier
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It's just plain knowledge bruh. Umadbro?
Dec 11 2012 9:32PM
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SirBooley
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@PNS have you ever heard of marketing and Gimmicks? Nobody gives a flying fuck that Nordica claims the 45 degree buckle solves heel slip….just because they market it that way does not mean that's what is actually does. lol
Dec 11 2012 9:42PM
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PNSkier
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Seems to work great for me!
Dec 11 2012 9:44PM
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SirBooley
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that's great…just because it works for you does not mean it's a universal law that Nordica 45 degree buckles and all the other shit you made a laundry list of are the best things out there.

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Dec 11 2012 9:47PM
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vincentlee223
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Everyone read this, right here ^^^^^
Conversation regarding specific boot brands being the shit should have stopped the second Pipe_Munky posted this. Any bootfitter that actually cares about their client should have no bias towards a certain brand of boot and only the fit of it should be in their mind.

Dec 11 2012 9:57PM
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NinetyFour
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Nah, how about you Danny?
Dec 11 2012 10:07PM
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PNSkier
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Na bruh, I'm stoked
Dec 11 2012 10:11PM
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Randy_Quench
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got my skis with squires already mounted, figured i'd leave em until they broke then replace them with a friends pivots. low and behold, after 2 seasons I havnt had a single problem. not even brakes. and im a big kid for squires.
Dec 11 2012 10:12PM
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PNSkier
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I'm pretty sure I never said anything about it being the one and only boot for anyone and everyone.
Dec 11 2012 10:12PM
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PNSkier
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Again. Don't think everyone should be on only one boot
Dec 11 2012 10:14PM
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SirBooley
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well you sure seem to be on Nordica's dick pretty hard, even when an industry rep with much more knowledge and experience completely took a shit all over your poorly constructed argument.
Dec 11 2012 10:22PM
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NinetyFour
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Mr. Dressler, when did anyone in this thread say that EVERYONE should be on one specific model OR brand of boot? The way you're carrying on, it seems we should all be on Nordicas... We are simply here to defend a brand that delivers a boot that has worked well for many people. The only reason this whole debacle started was because someone made a statement...

"it's like riding a 20 yr old binding is like riding a pair of full tilts, it just doesnt work" PNSkier

Once again, it's time to stop posting.




Dec 11 2012 10:24PM
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PNSkier
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Yea I'm on it so hard!

And like I said, I'm surprised an industry guy made a statement that was completely wrong and you guys are still on his dick hard. You're on ft duck hard too. That's why you're getting so worked up over it. This literally has all been going on because i said "riding a pair of 10 yr old bindings is like riding full tilts, just doesn't work"

Watching you full tilt nut suckers freak out all weekend has been more than amusing. And for that, I thank you
Dec 11 2012 10:30PM
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NinetyFour
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So if his statement is wrong does that make your, "riding a pair of 10 yr old bindings is like riding full tilts, just doesn't work," any more correct?


Dec 11 2012 10:47PM
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PNSkier
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totes
Dec 11 2012 11:09PM
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AJizzle
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I don't understand how you can say if you want real bindings ride fks, then say riding a 20year old binding design doesn't work. The fks 180 and p 18, as well as the sth drivers and the sth16 steel are all over 20year old designs and they are all kick ass bindings. (Not that I'm a FT fan).
Dec 11 2012 11:28PM
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PNSkier
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oh look someone who's talking about what this thread is about! thank you!

i see what you're saying. broken down to its concept it is similar in idea... however, if you were to look at a pair of old pivots from 20 years ago, you will see they are lightyears apart from each other, unlike a pair of reichles and ft's. we have a pair of old k2's on pivots from the late 80s early 90s ill snap a photo of tomorrow at work and show you just how different they are.
Dec 12 2012 12:01AM
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onenerdykid
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I have the catalog and I have the AOS, F1, and F3 boots. I am more than familiar with how they fit and how they ski.

If you can't figure it out for yourself, just ask your Nordica rep which boot delivers more heel retention: Dobermann or Firearrow?

Your Nordica 3-buckle gives you good heel hold not because of the 45° buckle but because the last shape of the shell agrees with your foot. Look at it this way, if you had shell last that was far too wide for your foot/heel but it had a 45° buckle, you would not have good heel hold. But if you had a last that was perfect for your foot shape and it had a traditional 4-buckle arrangement, you would have perfect heel hold.

I am not trying to say that you cannot have good heel hold with a 3-buckle Nordica or Full Tilt, but the opposite. I am trying to show that last shape has more to do with a secure heel than buckle arrangement.
Dec 12 2012 2:43AM
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bt@509
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Marker has produced a lot of crappy bindings over the years. They're overpriced garbage. I'd almost trust Tyrolia's before most of the Marker Royals. I've seen how they break time and time again and I'm not impressed. One pair of Look PX12's have held up to more abuse than 3 pairs of jesters and 4 pairs of squire's...in one season...I don't trust Markers as far as I can throw the dang things. A lot of people love them. But when someone comes into the shop pissed off holding a heelpiece in their hand I just laugh as long as no one was hurt. You can't expect anything more from Marker. They didn't have their act together ten years ago and they sure as hell don't have their act together now. Good luck to all of you riding those deathtraps.
Dec 12 2012 3:15AM
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NinetyFour
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That's just foolish and naive to assume that Full Tilt hasn't incorporated any changes to the boot over the years...
Dec 12 2012 7:40AM
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shreddenator
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Onerdykid you know you can't remove your atomic hat just like that.... don't pretend to be impartial when clearly your interests lie with the atomic brand.... it is in poor taste. Everyone understands you prefer the way you design boots. Yes it is nice to hear from a bootfitter or your calibre, but you should refrain from commenting directly on a specific competitor....

As for the nordica fanboy calling you a troll....well it seems his interests make his position less than genuine as well...

Umm is this not a marker binding thread? I have had marker bindings in the past and they served me well.....
Dec 12 2012 8:57AM
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onenerdykid
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For starters, I am not that arrogant that I can't separate the two and I also never directly attacked Nordica, just his misconstrued points about them. I also pointed out the benefits of other Nordica product, namely the Dobermann. In a later post, I also defended both Nordica and Full Tilt. I defend the facts, whether they be with one brand or another as I do on a regular basis in most threads.

Never did I say that one brand was better than another, all I was trying to argue was that last shape was more important than buckle arrangement. If one last better matches your foot, it will provide more heel hold, regardless of brand or who I work for, that is a fact.
Dec 12 2012 9:16AM
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Pipe_Munky
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Yeah actually you are because you're buying into every little piece of marketing they're throwing at you.

Please elaborate on why his statement was wrong.

Was it because the Nordica catalogue stated something different? Well in that case it must be true. While we're at it, Full Tilts most definitely stop shinbang. Why? Because Full Tilt said so.

I've tried on Nordica's 3 piece boots and in all honesty, my heel slips. I've tried on Full Tilts and Dalbellos and they do hold my heel down. Does that make them better boots? No but they are better boots for me (I wear a Dalbello Il Moro Pro).

Believe me, there are other industry people commenting here with similar bootfitting experiance to onenerdykid that just don't have orange names.

Dec 12 2012 10:03AM
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