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Ratebeer.com's mailing address:
RateBeer
1421 Wood Rd
Fulton, CA 95439
USA
Beeradvocate.com’s mailing address:
Lol. Typical Canadian.
so youre not
going to talk about the website because it doesn’t really matter? yet you
brought it up in the first place. Then you reference the same site again, plus
a new one. but the sites dont matter??
i did actually take a look at the sites. hence how i knew they were american.
hence how i knew the "Critics" aka site members were american. hence
how i came to the conclusion that anyone with an email address can
"critique" a beer, which on ratebeer.com is practically just voting
for your fav.
just because i dont agree with you, doesn’t mean i didn’t "actually take a
look at the sites".
my argument about canadians having better food and beverage control holds a ton
of relevance in this matter if you could look at it from a civil understanding,
and not a close minded "competition like" view.
its not a knock, its a fact. we have higher and more demanding federal laws
regarding food and beverage processing and ingredients. Therefore the products
produced in canada are TYPICALLY of higher quality production and final
product. again, not always the case, but typically.
i would love to know how you have any merit claiming that microbrew's use the
best ingredients possible? i think youre making an awfully vast assumption just
because it is a niche market. a lot of premium or premier products are sold and
labelled that way just to appeal to a different market. It does not necessarily
mean the best materials or ingredients were used in the manufacturing process.
You know exactly where i was going with the rest of my post, which is exactly
why you didnt answer my question. Moosehead is canadas 4th largest brewery.
have you ever had a moosehead?
im going to guess you have not, and thats just a guess, i could be wrong.
However if you have not had a moosehead, im fairly comfortable in saying you
probably also have not tried any of canadas microbrews.
and for the record, ive actually had quite an exposure to not just the american
beer market, but the world. If were going to swing dicks here why not make it
count? My girlfriend of 6 years is a professional fromagerie and practicing sommelier.
i dated her the entire time she was studying and continue to do so now that she
is employed full time. does that make ME an expert? of course not, but i can
promise you i have been to more beer/wine samplings, tastings, breweries,
microbreweries, festivals, product launches etc etc etc than the average bear.
I also happen to live in toronto, which is home to the most breweries in
canada. In fact i live within about a 5 minute drive from:
denisons,
black oak, bellwoods, great lakes brewery, amsterdam, cest what, mill street,
indie ale house, granite, steam whistle, cheshire valley, cameron's, colo,
spearhead, beer academy, three brewers, black creek historic, kensington, saint
andre, cool brewing, old credit, trafalgar, molson, labatts, junction etc..
most of these breweres i can walk to in under 20mins.
and thats just the main ones in torono that youll find in a typical lcbo,
nevermind all of ontario. which if i were to make an educated guess, is home to
another 100+ breweries atleast.
Oh, and while i was studying downtown i worked partime in a bar. Look it up,
its called Rhino. It has a rolodex of 200+ beers from something like 40
different countries, all bottles. again, just guessing, but if you count the
consistently rotated taps there has got to be 300 different beers, easy. as i
mentioned before, none of this makes me an expert, but i love beer.
Whats funny though, is within everything i wrote throughout this thread i never
once said that americans do not and can not make a good beer.
not once did i say that.
america can make great beer.
unfortunatly though, im my opinion, they make way way way way more shitty beer
than good beer.
again, i would love to know where you read that brewers in europe look towards
the states for inspiration?
They have belgium and germany, i dont think they need any help.
canada does make some great beers, especially for our population size.
america also makes some great beers, but you damn well better for a country
your size.
i think you have made one thing clear in this thread, and that is that you
think im just some dumb little canadian who wears a toque all year round and
hates the states cause im "jelly" of their girth.
You have the same predetermined opinion of me being a toothless hockey player
who lives in a igloo as i do of you being a southern inbred slackjaw yokel.
i have drank some beers, i have done some research. Dont assume that just
because i dont agree with you means that i dont know what the F im talking
about.
i would be kind of interested to know what canadian beers you have even HAD,
let alone enjoy.
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Look at the fucking websites.
The first ones I picked are for reasons I have already explained. Although according to you since these people don’t rate beer for a living and most are from America their opinions are invalid. Fine, but I can tell you that if you would look at the site these people take beer very seriously and in general offer some very valid opinions and critiques. Literally any beer that you can think of is listed on that site which goes to show how big and diverse the site is. This site creates its best of list through the interpretation of every reviewer of almost every beer imaginable. In my opinion it is the ultimate list.
I referenced the site again after reading this in your last post. “you won’t find Moosehead on any American run beer “rating” website despite them controlling 15% of the Canadian market with a single product” Well there you go.
I put down that second link because it is the 2012 results from the world beer cup which is a major international beer competition. You seemed to have a hard on for professional judging well here it is, and the results are the same. But I guess you didn't look at that link either.
To my claim that most microbreweries use the best products possible, yes that is an assumption although I don’t think it’s an outrageous one.
“It’s not a matter of personal opinion
it’s a matter of professional opinion
Look up any annual world beer rating list.
Canada, Belgium, Germany, all almost lead the way.
America, no where to be found.
And these lists are compiled by professional brewers, beer tasters, and sommelier’s…
Not your average 18 year old on NS
The only people that defend American breweries are, get this, Americans.”
it was this post that really set me off. It’s just so completely wrong that I couldn't help but assume you didn't know what you are talking about. And I’m still not so sure you do in regards to American beer. Not to mention you still seem to be under the impression that we don’t get Canadian beers down here. I grew up in Vermont and spent a fair amount of time in Michigan and the PNW and I can tell you Canadian beer is represented fairly in the United States. Although most of the time you’re getting what’s produced directly north of you which can be a pain sometimes.
Phillips brewing, Central City, Half Pints, and Bellwoods are all great canadian breweries. But there are 10 breweries just as good in the U.S. for each one in Canada. Everything you wrote about toronto can be said about any decent sized city in america.
Here’s an article I found about European brewers looking at the U.S. for inspiration. Granted it's brewers who are looking to copy the north american microbrewery concept and not the more traditional brewers who already have their niche
http://www.latitudenews.com/story/us-craft-beers-gain-fans-in-europe/
