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Mr.Bishop
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You are now the most important people on the site.

Please write news, post videos and upload photos. You shall rise to the top.

I will promise you, we're building our entire business around the success of the media people born from Newschoolers. That is why we did the homepage the way we did it.

We want the media people to be the new rockstars of the site.

Oct 30 2012 5:19PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Yeah the talent on here is utterly insane. That is why we're doing this... I think its silly to take media talent from the brofest boys-clubs that usually hang around traditional media. Why not just give everyone here the power to promote?

Hell, we can go further with this too. This is just the beginning.
Oct 31 2012 11:00AM
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Mr.Bishop
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For anyone who loves it, do me a favor and jump into the threads where there is a small number of people complaining it sucks, and let everyone know you like it right in there.

https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/715861/page/4/

https://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/716010/

If you don't agree feel free to join the other side of the debate.

Oct 31 2012 12:09PM
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Mag
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Oct 31 2012 12:20PM
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m3owzza
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im confused. you think he is actually doing all of this stuff intentionally to internet troll us? you must have forgotten he is 12. jesus christ
Oct 31 2012 2:46PM
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[~_~]
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This format works great in deciding which media content gets priority because it keeps the site culturally relavent. However the upvote/downvote format is awful for discussions because then you wind up with massive hive minds and homogeny a la Reddit.
Oct 31 2012 3:01PM
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807.
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Oct 31 2012 3:03PM
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TijmenDal
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Something like that. I don't know exactly what his deal is. The only thing I know is I enjoy it.
Oct 31 2012 3:27PM
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Official_Recap
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Thank you Doug! I really like your perspective on everything digital media-related - you continuously seem to be very forward thinking and pushing the system.

With all of this focus/emphasis on media creation and the increasing production value NS members are now creating, I have a question/idea: I know at least a few other cinematographers and photographers that began their passion/career within the action-sports community, but have since moved to other industries. What would everyone's thoughts be on aggregating or creating a place within M&A for everyone to share, comment, etc. on non-skiing related content? Personally, the majority of my professional focus is now on concerts and live events, but I haven't felt it overly appropriate to post within M&A to gain feedback or simply share my work. I think it could be interesting to see what everyone is working on outside of skiing as they progress. This is just a thought process I have been contemplating over the past few months. Good idea? or too removed from skiing? The idea is that it could help develop the Media and Arts section into a more robust forum with more diverse content.

Just a quick thought.
Oct 31 2012 7:43PM
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SSteezle
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haha, I had the exact same idea about a month ago and you should have seen some of the responses...I'm pretty sure Eheath cried. Anyways, I love the idea and would really like to see NS implement it in the future.
Oct 31 2012 8:03PM
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will_powder
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Look at M&A right now though. There are threads on skating, weddings, hurricanes, artistic inspirations, music, visual art, photos, etc ,etc

That's what makes M&A awesome. You never know, and I'm always amazed at, what content a certain NSer is pumping out, be it skiing-related or not.
Oct 31 2012 8:13PM
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MADDECENT
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This makes me quite happy.
Oct 31 2012 8:13PM
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SSteezle
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I think you'd be surprised at the amount of work that NS'ers don't post, myself included
Oct 31 2012 8:21PM
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Official_Recap
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This is kind of the point I was trying to address. While the forum is definitely more diverse right now and has been slowly moving in that direction, my perception is that the majority of work is held back due to the uncertainty of how it will be received (because of the subject matter, not production value). I have on a few occasions clicked through to a user's Vimeo account after they posted a video and found many pieces that had not been posted for comment, critique etc. Whether they hadn't been posted because of this reason, I have no idea, but that's kind of the question I am bringing up.
Oct 31 2012 8:34PM
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[~_~]
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If it doesn't involve skiing, people on NS tend to not give a shit. The ones that do are in the minority and even then - why not post to Vimeo instead? Better player, larger community, etc.

I stopped uploading videos for precisely this reason.
Oct 31 2012 9:06PM
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Parrish
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you're doomed splice.
Oct 31 2012 10:45PM
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Mr.Bishop
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BOOM
Oct 31 2012 10:52PM
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bo0b
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I think this is a pretty sweet system, definitely cool to let us decide on what we want to see. Also I'm going to be uploading a lot more videos now because of this.
Oct 31 2012 10:57PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Good!

The best rise to the top.... and out of the best we will build a system where those people actually make cash money.
Oct 31 2012 11:41PM
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Randy_Quench
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WHO RAH.
Nov 1 2012 12:28AM
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sweatshirt
Posts: 1357 - Karma: 483
this is honestly the most genious update to a website ever, it was so much less motivating to upload content with the old format.
Nov 1 2012 6:42AM
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TijmenDal
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Money? Shit just got real.
Nov 1 2012 3:54PM
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Mag
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Hopefully it won't be like the Youtube monetization though.
Nov 1 2012 4:39PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Whats wrong with the youtube program?
Nov 1 2012 4:45PM
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Mag
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It rewards based on views rather than quality of content, which ends up with people TRYING to make money, which ruins videos, by putting out a lot of weak videos just to get views. Also the extra ads.
Nov 1 2012 4:51PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Yeah but the reason for that is that the way internet advertising functions is based off of views. That is how revenue share works - more views = more money.

Think about it this way... if you fund stuff that doesn't get views then you lose money. Business that loses money stops.

Now, that is why we added the element of user voting for positioning. We figure that if we let the users decide what is popular, then we'll make sure that people don't just spam for views.

As well, we'll have it limited to those who are popular on the site.
Nov 1 2012 5:00PM
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zbphoto
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Pretty much, but the way they have it set up now is that only like 5 people (DTF, Heath, and a few others) that get ad revenue. And as Bishop said, I don't really feel like that will ever happen to NS. The rest of the internet, that's pretty standard. I think it's also because a lot of consumers/customers don't seem to be able to distinguish quality work anymore. But again, we decide what gets rated up, pretty forward thinking!
Nov 1 2012 6:08PM
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Mag
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Yeah the rating thing is working well, which is good. I wasn't aware anyone got paid for videos by ns.
Nov 1 2012 6:10PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Couple of people do. That is our 'gold level' NSTV producer program. We're testing out the business model behind it, and if we can prove success (which so far so good) we're going to go further with it.

Nov 1 2012 9:45PM
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KyleMeyr
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Hey, now that's an idea! Where was this money when it was just the 30 of us writers? And, for that matter, where is the money now? I'm lookin' to get paid... Got bills to pay.
Nov 12 2012 7:26PM
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SassySloth
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I love this !
Nov 12 2012 7:37PM
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