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Interesting view on how political groups polarize Pro Life - Pro Choice

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theAbusementPark
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/opinion/sunday/friedman-why-i-am-pro-life.html

thoughts?
Oct 29 2012 2:48PM
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Lansfield
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I am pro choice
Oct 29 2012 2:52PM
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ski.cats
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they polarize everything?
Oct 29 2012 2:54PM
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KLovelace
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I am pro-shut the fuck about it unless you have a vagina.

can old fucking limp dicked male republicans stop making decisions for women? probably not.

grr.
Oct 29 2012 3:00PM
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5m0k3we3d
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Helps keep people divided.
Oct 29 2012 3:02PM
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theBearJew
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Im pro this isnt a political decision.... Separation of Church and State.
Oct 29 2012 3:02PM
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Abu_Hajaar
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They really do.
Oct 29 2012 3:02PM
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ski.cats
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the thing is that it shouldnt be a campaign issue of any impact. anyone remember the final question in the vice presidential debate? on how their catholic backgrounds impact their view on abortion and how that could affect supreme court appointment.

that is the only way any politician has an impact on this issue.  roe v wade has already been decided. only a lawsuit through all of the courts that could overturn the right to privacy can change anything. probably not going to happen.

even less feasible would be a constitutional amendment denouncing the implicit right to privacy thereby nullifying roe v wade. no way in hell is that happening.

every time anti abortion laws get passed in states like montana, they get struck down as unconsitutional later in the courts and it just turns into a waste of time and money.

presidents, governors, the people of congress have almost nothing to do with decisions on abortion
Oct 29 2012 3:14PM
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Puns
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ya srsly
Oct 29 2012 3:51PM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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Baby may have a vagina and your making decisions for it. Just saying.
Oct 29 2012 4:01PM
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klayer_9
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Oct 29 2012 4:07PM
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Anti_Panda
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abortions are legal in every state and have been for almost 40 years. what are you upset about?

thats like an old fart being angry because pot is illegal, which they are happy about, but they have an irrational fear that one day pot my be legal.

im all for you whores getting scraped, i just wish when doctors did it they fucked the walls of your uterus so bad you couldnt get pregnant again.
Oct 29 2012 4:54PM
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theabortionator
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Shockingly I can't throw myself 100% on either side of this issue. When people bicker about it it's pretty dumb. I understand it's a heated issue, but I don't think you'll ever sway somebody.

I really do understand where people on both sides are coming from. As weird as that is. I don't completely agree or disagree with either.


Oct 29 2012 4:57PM
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theBearJew
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That is weird, cause you're theabortinator...
Oct 29 2012 4:59PM
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KLovelace
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gross dude.


i'm upset about old fucking republicans constantly making a fuss about abortion. but mostly I am upset that you are ANTI PANDA> THAT'S FUCKING BULLSHIT! PANDAS ARE THE BEST YOU ASS LICKING CANCER SLUT! and incidentally.. pandas are way more important to me than abortions. so now I hate you by principle. and cause what you said is nasty.
Oct 29 2012 5:37PM
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smooticus
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There not making decision for women. They are making an argument that abortion is inhuman and immoral. There is a huge difference. I am pro choice, but I have to say the whole angry feminist babble has never been a joy to listen to. So if your going to share your opinion on a controversial subject, please stay on subject.
Oct 30 2012 10:44PM
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lukewalnuts
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100% agree with you on this...
Oct 30 2012 10:45PM
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roddy116
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its a violation against human life (yes an embryo is in fact a human life, ill fight you religiously and scientifically back and forth). and i understand rape (incest not so much) but its still human life.
Oct 30 2012 10:47PM
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k-rob
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yeah when pigs fly
Oct 30 2012 10:48PM
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.Apex.
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Im pro choice but only if the decision is made by the fetus.
Oct 30 2012 11:10PM
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TonicAura
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I really don't wanna get involved in this inevitable shitstorm, but even if you are pro-life, think about this: If you accidentally knock a woman up, even if all precautions are taken, do you really wanna have to deal with a kid you're not ready for? If you don't care about anything else in this scenario, just think selfishly about it.
Oct 30 2012 11:17PM
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Schoellkopf
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I'm pretty sure no one in this thread actually read the article. From Friedman's standpoint I would consider myself "Pro-Life" too.
Oct 30 2012 11:17PM
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TonicAura
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I read it and found it pretty enjoyable, but I decided I'd rather contribute to the shitstorm haha
Oct 30 2012 11:18PM
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1337
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YEAH YOU TELL HIM!

hahahahha such a great insult
Oct 30 2012 11:18PM
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penguiin
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I'm not trying to get in a shit storm either, but thing I see wrong in your statement is that you say "you accidentally knock a women up". How do you do that accidentally? it's your choice to have sex and you know what the consequences could possibly be so you should be responsible for you actions.

just my take on it, not looking to argue with anybody
Oct 30 2012 11:21PM
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klayer_9
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The 1960s called they want their social issues back. This is fucking 2012, how are we still talking about this? Abortion is legal. Deal with it.
Oct 31 2012 12:03AM
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brosephstalin
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drone strikes on innocent women and children are a violation of human life

don't hear any republicans shrieking about that
Oct 31 2012 12:25AM
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manutdsaol
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This, anyone who thinks there is a complete separation of church and state is kidding themselves.
Oct 31 2012 12:33AM
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joshua
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So you think pandas are more important than human beings?* Thats pretty strange. Also by your logic, since I don't have any kids, I shouldn't be able to tell child rapists or people who sacrifice their children to a god, that what they do is wrong, because I don't have any kids and it doesn't concern me directly.


*(whether a unborn kid is still a person is a subject of debate with some people I know, but still)
Oct 31 2012 8:00AM
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joshua
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Yeah I sure wouldn't want the girl to have an abortion, b/c I like to think I wouldn't be selfish enough in that situation to put my own hopes and ambitions above the life a child.

I mean, I would super pissed at myself and would of course not "want" to have the kid, but thats life, and you have to accept responsibility for your actions.

What I don't understand is why people don't just put the kid up for adoption if they can't handle it, isn't getting an abortion pretty the much the same as giving birth, just really early on?

Oct 31 2012 8:07AM
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roddy116
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did i say i was republican? did i say i was for drone strikes? STFU and think before you speak.
Oct 31 2012 9:21AM
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KLovelace
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yes i absolutely care more about pandas then I care about tiny alien fetuses whose mothers don't want them.



and since I live abroad and have lived abroad for quite a few years now (and don't plan on returning to the states any time soon) I really shouldn't have gotten involved in this "debate" in the first place because I know how much newschoolers love to prove that they're right about a subject... even when there is no right answer, just various opinions. I stated what I wanted to.. it doesn't mean I'm some nutty feminist. It means just what I said.. I am sick of hearing old ass men who probably haven't had a hard-on in years so actively oppose a choice that should belong to the person carrying the child (ie a woman).

if anyone else wants to debate the awesomeness of pandas... bring it on.
Oct 31 2012 10:57AM
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wasatch_rat
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so should a woman who is unaware she is pregnant be charged with manslaughter if she has a few drinks the next day and unknowingly ends the pregnancy? should all miscarriages be investigated as possible murders? because if a developing fetus in the first trimester has the exact same essence and value as a born human, then they should be.

and lets not hate on the ladies in the thread who get indignant over how heated men get on the subject. imagine if a legislature almost entirely filled with women passionately debated about whether or not to allow men to get vasectomies or boner pills. you can argue abortion is different because it involves a third party, but i imagine the feeling for them to be pretty similar
Oct 31 2012 11:18AM
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joshua
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You're right, you shouldn't have, because you are ignoring my post.

P.S.- I'm not an old man
Oct 31 2012 11:46AM
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KLovelace
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and you are also not a politician trying to pass laws that restrict women's rights.. which is who I am referring to when I say old right-wing men. I don't care about your personal opinion about abortions because as much as you dislike it your opinion will ultimately have no effect on the outcome of the situation (as I highly doubt you are a politician or have any political influence). This discussion is any case moot because it is extremely unlikely that roe vs. wade would be overturned... Unless of course mitt romney wins the election.. then eventually it becomes a possibility if or when the time comes for a new supreme court justice to be appointed. I hope not.. but we'll see. OK that's all from me.
Oct 31 2012 12:20PM
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joshua
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I do have a say, thats what democracy and voting is for.
Oct 31 2012 12:35PM
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PhaedeD
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cute girl is a dumb girl... always sad to learn.
Oct 31 2012 12:42PM
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roddy116
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no.
Oct 31 2012 12:44PM
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roddy116
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why might you ask? because if a person gets an abortion the point is to get rid of the baby, the person did not know that she had a pregnancy.
Oct 31 2012 12:46PM
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joshua
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So would you also agree that since you are a women, you should have no place debating say, men beating their wifes, because you are a women and woudn't get those manly man things.....
Oct 31 2012 12:50PM
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PhaedeD
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im pro-learnhowtofuckingcooksomefuckinfood.

fuckin women these days cant cook, they can roll weed, talk shit and act like they are some dudes but they cant cook no fuckin food anymore.

get back to the kitchen.
Oct 31 2012 12:53PM
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k-rob
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that's the worst argument in this thread. being beaten is not even up for debate, and beating women is not manly it's fucking pathetic.
Oct 31 2012 12:55PM
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joshua
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Of course, it has nothing to do with actually beating your wife, I just think its bizarre that women think they are the only people who should be concerned with the abortion debate.
Oct 31 2012 12:57PM
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PhaedeD
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what if its an old ass republicans baby inside of some girl? Does he still have no choice??????? OMG WHAATTT
Oct 31 2012 1:00PM
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k-rob
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well considering that this is the republican side of the argument
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it's not as though any sane person should think they even really have a case.
Oct 31 2012 1:03PM
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Rachy
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Just felt like the right place to put this... my baby is pro choice.
Oct 31 2012 1:04PM
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k-rob
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anyway, the abortion debate is a perfect example of these hypocritical people who claim they are for less government while at the same time allowing the government into their bedrooms. just admit you fucking love the government already, you just don't like having to pay taxes while you let them control you.
Oct 31 2012 1:10PM
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joshua
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I'm Canadian, what is this?

I don't really care about your american politics, I just don't think abortion is right.
Oct 31 2012 1:15PM
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k-rob
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if you don't like abortions, don't get one.
Oct 31 2012 1:17PM
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k-rob
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because being unwanted by your birth parents and subsequently put through the notoriously shit process of foster care doesn't sound very appealing.
Oct 31 2012 1:29PM
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icon1234
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Not sure what your stance is, so this isn't directed at you or anything... But imo government has the duty to protect the rights of all individuals. In the case of abortion, it is determining whether or not you consider the unborn entitled to those rights.

Being a biology major I hate when people say a fetus isn't living or whatever. It is def is without a doubt considered living, so how some people distinguish between living and non living is very ambiguous. I always considered myself pro-choice for the longest time, but after really reflecting on the issue I am not sure what I believe.
Oct 31 2012 1:30PM
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