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Boot Modification to solve toe bang

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MillPiddy
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So the last two year i went with the whole suck it up and dont be a pussy method. but this is the 3rd time i've lost my toenail and im pretty over it. went to A-basin today and am already losing it. (solid bit of fluid underneath the nail and if lifts up more than whats natural.) any body out there with full tilts know a good way to solve toe bang cause the toe piece doesnt tighten all the way down cause of the boots design and i dont wanna have to buy new boots. so yeah, anyone else find a way around this.
Oct 27 2012 9:13PM
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broto
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well your boots don't fit right
Oct 27 2012 9:15PM
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last_tango
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I said fuck it and went with spks cause of this.

I guess you could try gluing a squishy mouse pad to the toe of the shell.
Oct 27 2012 9:16PM
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BWalmer
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Tighten the middle and top cables more (that toe buckle honestly doesn't do much of anything). A footbed might help (it'll take up more volume in the boot helping them tighten around the ankle), a booster strap can also help tighten the top of the boot better. You want to have your shin and ankle as tight as possible so your foot doesn't slide forward. Also, do your best not to be back seat at all (the more you can keep your knees over your toes, the less toe bang you'll have). Trimming your toenails before skiing can also make a huge difference. If all else fails, go to a boot fitter an see if they can help you fix the problem without getting new boots.
Oct 27 2012 9:19PM
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snakerton
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is basically because youre boot doesnt fit right but its fixable.

footbed. itl keep your foot from moving around and keep it from moving forward

like someone said above, tighten then middle buckle.itl lock you heel back and make sure you buckle that one before the toe buckle

they might just be too big. go to a boot fitter and see what you're mondo point is. or its possible that your liner is too packed out
Oct 28 2012 12:34AM
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MillPiddy
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yeah i got the FT high fives for their wider base cause racing boots have fucked my feet to where i have bunions. guess ill check out a fitter and they'll hook it up with a footbed or something to keep my foot in one spot. also i was debating remolding my liners cause after 2 seasons they are super packed in. thanks homies
Oct 28 2012 3:34AM
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onenerdykid
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Step 1 - make sure you have a good footbed. 9 times out of 10, your foot is super flexible and when your arches collapse, your foot elongates. When this happens in a ski boot, your toes jam into the front of the boot. So, make sure you have a footbed to stabilize and hold your foot in place.

Step 2 - If that doesn't work, have your local boot-fitter punch out the big toe of the boot. You need to do step 1 first, otherwise your toe will just move into the stretched area and contact the shell even harder.

Step 3 - Once the shell has been punched out, have the boot-fitter press out the big toe of the liner so it too fits with the shell.

If you do all of these steps (provided you are in the right boot to begin with) then your toe bang should be solved.
Oct 28 2012 7:13AM
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Mag
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Yeah I don't use my toe buckle at all, it's most likely a combination of you landing badly and having a bad fit.
Oct 28 2012 2:03PM
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BearProductions
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you can see if a boot shop can stretch something, i don't really know cause i got full tilt :)
Oct 29 2012 1:07PM
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four1two
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The intuition liners dont come with footbeds! if i remember correctly the liner itself acts as a footbed once its molded, adding a footbed could cause more problems than it might fix but definitely worth a shot.
Oct 29 2012 6:07PM
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onenerdykid
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True that their intuition liners do not come with footbeds, but it is not true that liner becomes a footbed once it is molded. All the liner will do is mush out under your foot, it will not provide any supportive structure whatsoever. More likely than not, he will need something that helps hold his foot upright.
Oct 29 2012 6:11PM
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four1two
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I think the liners WERE DESIGNED to be used as footbeds, at least thats what a rep told me, whether they actually work or not is another thing i guess.
Oct 29 2012 6:37PM
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AJizzle
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You should really consider who you are trying to argue about bootfitting with. Just cause a rep fed you a line of bullshit doesn't make you an authority on the subject. Onenerdykid is dead on, the liner does not give any proper support structure to the foot.

To the Op, it sounds like you bought a boot that is too high in volume for your foot because you have bunions, instead of going to a bootfitter and having a shell that is appropriate for your foot bunion punched to create room for your bunion while still giving your foot a proper fit. I would suggest you take Onenerdykid's advice and try not to ski or land backseat. If none of this works, don't waste more money and just go get properly fitted by a trusted bootfitter.
Oct 29 2012 7:03PM
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Gibbon
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I've also occassinaly problem with toe bang but only on the left foot. I got a footbed for my konflicts, but when I use it I get problems with the upper part of my feet, because the boots get to tight when buckled...
as above mentioned - don't land backseat and trimm your nails! ;)
Oct 29 2012 7:04PM
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steve0
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I had the same problem but it also happens with my lacrosse cleats. I've found if I keep my toenails trimmed super short I don't have a problem. You'll jam the front of your toe, but not the nail.
Oct 29 2012 8:06PM
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DosasNMimosas
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ejaculate into the boot everyday before you go
Oct 29 2012 8:40PM
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onenerdykid
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With a footbed holding your foot in place, you will not need to tighten the buckle over the top of your foot. That should be closed with just barely enough pressure to keep it from opening while skiing. The ankle buckle and cuff buckle should be as snug as you can comfortably tolerate.
Oct 30 2012 4:29PM
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DanThrax
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So just of out interest, is there a certain way of having a footbed in a FullTilt boot (or Intuition liner).  I've heard you can put one in the liner as normal but I've also heard you can put one underneath the liner?

Any pros or cons to either method?
Oct 30 2012 6:04PM
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NinetyFour
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Footbed would need to go in to the liner to work properly. it would be too small for the shell space if it were to go under the liner, and would likely slide side to side, and never stay in positions. Just my 2C.
Oct 30 2012 7:05PM
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Gibbon
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Thanks for your answer, I'll for sure try it again this winter...
Oct 30 2012 7:46PM
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Flyingnugget
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Seriously what the fuck is wrong with kids these days.
Oct 30 2012 9:50PM
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uosdwiSrjewoH
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full tilt's sizing is pretty whack, they do three different sizes per shell instead of 2. the difference is in the liner. so, in my doggers, i have a perfect shell fit, 2cm or so behind the heel, but my feet won't fit in the liner for shit, every single toe curled over, no chance of sitting flat, and i get the same toebang. i've moulded them three times and ridden them for 2 seasons, and they're not making the room. if your shell fit is the same as mine, then the boots should fit right and it's just the liner being too small.

my plan for this season is to cook the fuck out of the liners (without burning/melting them), put in the toe caps properly (on my foot, under my sock to mould out the toe as much as possible) and put my footbeds in at the same time. i'm hoping this blows out the liner while shortening my foot so there's enough room for my toes. i haven't put any of this in action yet, so i can't guarantee it'll work, but it's the least invasive solution i have so far. the only other thing i've got is cutting the liner to make more room, which i'd rather not do, but i might end up needing to. i figure i need new boots if i can't fix these anyway, so i'm just gonna giv'r and see how it works.
Oct 31 2012 12:25PM
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skinom
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Probably a symptom of all you idiots coming in to get boots and saying "I want the full tilts" and caring if they fit or which mold of full tilt. Not saying this is everyone but its a little too common. I really wanted full tilts last year but didn't buy them because the fit sucked for me. I've seen kids knowingly buy them 2 sizes too big just because they were full tilts.

Anyway take it to a boot fitter. They'll probably recommend an insole and punch the boot at the point your hitting your toe. If you got this from any decent shop they would have fixed this for free for you, at least in the first year of use.

Oct 31 2012 1:22PM
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Poikenz
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get a bigger liner? Or get a better fitting boot. Just because you pass a shell test doesn't mean that the boot is going to be right for you.
Oct 31 2012 3:01PM
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CTD
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after you do the footbeds, get a cheap pair of DR scholls and some duct tape. cut the dr scholls so you can make a toe cap out of it (like chuck taylors) and tape to the outside of the liner.

You might have to experiment or take away material from the footbed in the toebox to make room, but it'll help alot.
Oct 31 2012 3:43PM
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uosdwiSrjewoH
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i'm pretty aware of how to fit a boot, and aside from a slight discrepancy in the midfoot which i've ground out, the ft shell fits my foot pretty damn well. i'm just pointing out that the way that ft does sizes differently than other brands, with 3 liners for one shell, can cause toebang even if the shell fits your foot properly.
Oct 31 2012 3:49PM
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