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Questioning facebooks ipo valuation

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accualyisdolan
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facebook is ipoing at 100 billion, which is so many times earnings you gotta ask-

when facebook says theyll find away to make money off users, why shouldnt users expect to get paid to use facebook?

if facebook ends up meeting earnings expectations, theyll be tapping the shit out of the user, and theyres nothing to stop any other of the thousands of smart programmers to start up a new facebook, and facebook will get crushed just like facebook crushed myspace.

info connectivity is so fucking cheap these days, and its getting cheaper by the day, so theyres really no barrier to entry. i mean zuckerberg launched fb out of his dorm
May 16 2012 3:56PM
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accualyisdolan
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inb4 stop posting...
feel free to go fuck yourselves
May 16 2012 3:58PM
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Bill.Nye
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Is that a serious question?
May 16 2012 3:59PM
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2_fadez
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stop posting
May 16 2012 3:59PM
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howlongcanausern
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letme guess....invest in gold instead right?
May 16 2012 3:59PM
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2_fadez
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exact same thought I had.
Too ridiculous to put the effort forward to explain to OP why he is mentally retarded in the first place. Easier to feed him the usual gtfo bullshit
May 16 2012 4:00PM
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accualyisdolan
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i did at 900, shit worked out
May 16 2012 4:03PM
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accualyisdolan
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k ills spells it out for ya little groms

say facebook starts earning a shiteload. where do they get that money from hmm? they get it from the info ur putting into facebook for free.

say i can program as well as zuckerberg. What is to stop me from pitching investors a plan to make a facebook, lets call it fuckfacebook.com, that pays its users a buck for however many hours they spend online, while fuckfacebook.com is anonomyzing and selling the info about what the world is talking about now to companies who will direct adverts to the right demographic, so that fuckfacebook.com profits say 3 billion a year, and pays back 2.9 billion a year to its users still making a 100 million a year profit. thats a design that if put in place would be pretty much invulnerable to getting myspaced which failed because myspace pigged out, was a predators paradise etc...

google chrome could do it. time is money, and your time, no matter how dumb u are, that is spent on a website, is worth something to that website.

so while everybody is thinking facebook is a service to them, they dont realize they are actually giving facebook a free handjob, because like i said, making a website these days is retardedly cheap, theres no literally no barriers to entry in the software world, and people look at 500 million users on facebook and say wow thats so many people there must be huge inherent value...

you can look at it in terms of what napster did to the music industry, what facebook did to myspace, steve jobs quote that u cant patent gravity etc...

so unless ppl stay ignorant and dont realize they should be paid to sell what their talking about to facebook etc, im pretty sure either google or some upstart will pull a netzero/vonage/skype type thing and undermine facebook.

easy way to look at it is watch ai, where spielberg or whoever makes a brilliant prediction of the future, where it will cost money to obtain information...

universities are going to get fucked, when wikipedia starts a nearly free wikipedia university or something of that nature.. you already see it in all the online uni's popping up all over the place.

invest in hard complex technology if u want my advice, kuka robotics, siemens, german engineered shit, samsung etc...
cause at the moment connectivity is literally free.






May 16 2012 4:51PM
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2_fadez
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no one wants your fucking advice.

/thread.
May 16 2012 4:56PM
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I.Am.Lorde.
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this thread is dildos
May 16 2012 4:59PM
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accualyisdolan
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diarhea as the start of your screename suits you well.
May 16 2012 4:59PM
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2_fadez
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hell of a lot better than a sensible political candidate suiting you
May 16 2012 5:00PM
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howlongcanausern
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europe logic: criticize USA as too religious, pay clergyman with taxpayer money
May 16 2012 5:03PM
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howlongcanausern
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wrong thead fuck me.
May 16 2012 5:03PM
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midwestpowhunter
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Op I didn't read ur second huge post bc I don't have time basically my understanding of the fb profit model is collect data on users and sell it to companies to market directly to people who like their products. It is quite possibly the most ingenious marketing model ever developed. As long as they can continue to provide the most specific consumer data available they can charge businesses for direct access to consumers who will purchase based on ads on consumers fb pages and business fb pages through likes.
May 16 2012 5:05PM
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AT-AT
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Hope you sold it, cause gold is eating shit right meow.
May 16 2012 6:40PM
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Lansfield
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Click for larger image oh hai ron paul
May 16 2012 6:41PM
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howlongcanausern
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didn't read, i was trolling.
May 16 2012 6:42PM
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Milksteak
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Don't worry about it.
May 16 2012 6:46PM
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Wall_Nut
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Ron Paul, you're groundbreaking. Too bad you're also batshit insane. What was this thread supposed to prove? Am I supposed to feel motivated to go program a cheap knockoff of facebook? You're dead wrong if you think that a facebook lookalike will attract users, because it clearly won't. Facebook brought something new to the table, and that's what made it a huge success.

Your demonstration of useless knowledge, while slightly arousing, leaves me unsatisfied.
May 16 2012 7:04PM
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2_fadez
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this.
people don't like change. and what does facebook benefit out of giving away its money to users.
think corporately pussy OP
May 16 2012 7:06PM
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Lansfield
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Hey TWA whats a IPO?
May 16 2012 7:08PM
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Lansfield
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still dont get it.
May 16 2012 7:11PM
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Lansfield
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ok. thanks TWA!
May 16 2012 7:17PM
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Peter.
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ITT: a stupid highschooler thinking he knows a lot about finance
May 16 2012 7:31PM
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digiac
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are you retarded?

they have a BILLION users. no product ever in the history of the world has ever had a billion users. i can not think of an industry that has LARGER barriers to entry.


May 16 2012 7:40PM
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accualyisdolan
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excellent point. but once you have this highly efficiency circle in place you have to ask who is doing most of work propelling it and the answer is the facebook users.

what facebook users are actually doing is filling out a survey for free. youve all seen the adds saying to fill out a  survey and you might win 10,000 bucks. why should facebook be any different?

without its users, facebook is worthless, just as myspace is now.

and i cant emphasize enough how much talent there is to compete with facebook for what  facebook is going after, and they already have google to compete with regarding chrome
May 16 2012 7:44PM
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2_fadez
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and google+ tried to match facebook and failed miserably.
May 16 2012 7:46PM
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Bill.Nye
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</thread> for the love of god
May 16 2012 8:04PM
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accualyisdolan
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myspace was huge.... and it got eaten by kid in his dorm
May 16 2012 8:17PM
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icon1234
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It wasn't that huge, like myspace at its prime wouldn't even put a dent in facebook now.

If fucking Google failed to compete with Facebook then I am almost positive that unless fb does something stupid that they will have a monopoly on the market for the next like 10 years.
May 16 2012 8:22PM
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eheath
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lol wut?
May 16 2012 8:27PM
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accualyisdolan
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google isnt going anywhere.... their search solution is the programming equivalent of general relativity. facebook on the other hand has nothing that cant be copied. its basicly a cleaned up myspace. and it doesnt have 1 billion active users, it has 500 million. And googles got at least 3 billion users.  so googles on pretty firm ground to make as many attempts on facebooks lunch as they want.
May 16 2012 8:30PM
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accualyisdolan
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one does not simply fail google...

im done w/this we'll see how the ipo goes
May 16 2012 8:35PM
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icon1234
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Can't tell if you're trolling or just dumb. Why the fuck are you comparing Google's search engine to Facebook's social networking. That's like comparing apples to oranges. The point was that if Google's social networking site failed against Facebook that it leads many to conclude that no one can compete with them, as if one of the most largest and innovative companies in the world couldn't even put a dent in Facebook's competition, who else could..
May 16 2012 8:35PM
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turducken
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You are stupid. Think before you write something.

I did a quick Google search and here are some figures.

Apparently on average you spend 8 hours per month on Facebook.
http://mashable.com/2011/09/30/wasting-time-on-facebook/

There is apparently 901million active users.
http://newsroom.fb.com/content/default.aspx?NewsAreaId=22

Facebook's revenue for 2011 was 3.71billion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook

So now lets do some math.

8 x 12 = 96

96 x 901,000,000 = 86,496,000,000

So, if everybody got paid $1 for every hour they spent on Facebook they would get $96 per year.
Facebook would be forced to pay 23.314 times what their revenue is.

Now, some of the figures I have used may not be entirely accurate, but it still demonstrates the point I am trying to make.
May 16 2012 9:43PM
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--ski--
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What the fuck are you talking about?
May 16 2012 10:30PM
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_Ryan_
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May 16 2012 10:33PM
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DubV134
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May 16 2012 10:40PM
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Lucas
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ya go for it bud. give it a shot.
May 16 2012 10:43PM
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Rafiki
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how much is a "shiteload"? is it how the shi'ite's measure a shitload?
May 16 2012 10:46PM
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accualyisdolan
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cool put words in my mouth hansel

i never said  a dollar an hour u towel
May 16 2012 10:56PM
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Lucas
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wut
May 16 2012 10:58PM
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TechnoPotamus
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wrong! invest in waffles!!! waffles and syrup!
May 16 2012 11:17PM
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Bill.Nye
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Such delicious dividends.
May 16 2012 11:18PM
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n_b
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*silver
May 16 2012 11:22PM
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turducken
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Yes you did. You said:

"that pays its users a buck for however many hours they spend online"

A buck = A dollar.

As I said before. You are stupid. Think before you write something.
May 16 2012 11:31PM
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volvotom
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WAY over-valued
May 16 2012 11:35PM
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--ski--
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Because you're retarded, I took a screenshot for you. I even highlighted it as well!


May 16 2012 11:39PM
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TheQuailman
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I've been saying this forever.  Facebook will die out very soon.  Its become such a bubble.  Also, as has been mentioned in this thread, Facebook is nothing without its users...as soon as a few people drop it...everyone will. 

May 16 2012 11:50PM
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BootySpunk.
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But why would people drop Facebook?
May 16 2012 11:58PM
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