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Interesting Gun statistics.

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Ice-Is-Scary
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http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/xl/02tbl2-13.xls

Mind you thats a government website.

In 2002 ( the last full year available) 480 people were murdered with rifles while 929 people were killed with bare hands.

In 2001, 389 people were murdered with rifles while 924 people were killed with bare hands.

In 2000, 396 people were murdered with rifles while 892 people were killed with bare hands.

It might be interesting to know also, that in the years 2000,2001,2002, 7237 people were beaten to death with blunt objects, ( hammers, etc.) or stabbed or sliced to death with knives




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Sep 22 2004 2:46PM
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jarossamdb7
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''In 2002 ( the last full year available) 480 people were murdered with rifles while 929 people were killed with bare hands.''

YES BUT 7,176 PEOPLE DIED FROM hand guns. HA IN YOUR FACE BITCH. HANDGUNS AND RIFELS ARE MUCH DIFFERENT

in your face, the original post of this thread officially declared bullshit!

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Sep 24 2004 10:01PM
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i got that for the 2002 year info you gave in your link!!!!

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Sep 24 2004 10:02PM
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jarossamdb7
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in that same spreadsheet you gave me the total for all firearms deaths for year of 2002 is 9,369. that is right, this threaf officially bullshit.

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Sep 24 2004 10:03PM
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for the record, most people dont care about outlawing rifels, mostly it is handguns and so on...

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Sep 24 2004 10:05PM
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^ asshole this thread was in regards to the assault rifle ban. You think I don't know handguns are more of a problem? I've been saying that since the begining.


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Sep 24 2004 10:13PM
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jarossamdb7
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rifels and assault rifels are different. assault rifels arnt in that spreadsheets catagory under 'rifels' they are under 'other guns'. what we need is that spreadsheet for a year of assault rifels being legal to compair statistics like what you want to do. my argument and conclution still stands

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Sep 24 2004 10:17PM
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But the point is the guns were already legal Ive said it a 1000 times it was manufacture/import ban, the same guns you can buy today you could have bought for the last ten years.


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Sep 24 2004 10:22PM
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it will be easyer to buy an assault rifel, yes? the point is, you cant proove there wont be any more murders if the ban is lifted when you dont have stitistics from a year when the ban was lifted.

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Sep 24 2004 10:30PM
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let me clearify (mabey)
first of all you should have specified that you were talking about assault rifels. second of all, those statistics are for huinting rifels, assault rifels show up in that spreadsheet under 'other guns' catagory. third of all, you cant say that those statistics show that assault rifels arnt that harmfull in terms of this ban being lifted because now that it is lifted it is alot easyer to get one. You could do what you were trying to do if you had statistics from murders from a year from now on how many people were killed from assault rifels but you cant when the info you have is from a year when the situation was different in that assault rifels were alot less common. on top of that, say, hypothetically, that you did get info from a year from now and only say 200 people were killed from assault rifels, but there were 200 more people killed that year then the prevous year, you can conclude that the ban would have prevented some of those deaths.

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Sep 24 2004 10:31PM
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First of all you cant conclude anything from one years statistics compared to aonther you need to take averages over time. Secondly (assault rifels show up in that spreadsheet under 'other guns' catagory) how do you know that? Thirdly (assault rifels were alot less common) Says who? these same guns that are legal to buy now have been since the begining. Fourthly (you cant say that those statistics show that assault rifels arnt that harmfull in terms of this ban being lifted because now that it is lifted it is alot easyer to get one) Since you know so much about how easy it is to obtain one why dont you tell me what you know. I already know the answer im curious if you have any idea what your talking about


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Sep 24 2004 10:31PM
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''it will be easyer to buy an assault rifel, yes? the point is, you cant proove there wont be any more murders if the ban is lifted when you dont have stitistics from a year when the ban was lifted.''

** or rather you cant proove there wont be any more murders if the ban is lifted with statistics from a year when the ban was not lifted

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Sep 24 2004 10:33PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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How many people actually die from smoking?

In America, an average of 400,000 people die from smoking related diseases every year

Let me know which you think is a much bigger health risk for americans?

http://www.stop-smoking-cigarette.com/stop_smoking_faqs.asp



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Sep 24 2004 10:34PM
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jarossamdb7
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it doesnt matter!!!!!! like i said, if 100 people die from assault rifels, and that year 100 more people die from crimes that year then did the prevous year, hypothetically, if the ban had still been in place that year that is 100 peope that would still be alive. compairing ciggarett deaths to being shot makes no sense in the first place. smoking is somthing you choose to do, getting shot mostlikley isnt

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Sep 24 2004 10:39PM
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what the hell else would other guns be? (not being handguns and rifels, i assume assault rifels and automatic weapons) they cirtanly dont mean flame throwers

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Sep 24 2004 10:45PM
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Well these statistics take a few years to catch up so we wont see this years statistics for another year or two. But my point is I could have bought an uzi last year just as easy as I could buy one today thats all. People who are going around shooting each other with machine guns most likely arnt purchasing them legally.

Criteria for Class 3 license
-no violent misdeamnors
-no felonies
-Can never have pleaded insanity to a court case
-No one can have restraining order on you
-cannot have been dishonorably discharged from police or military duty
-Sheriff of the county you live in needs to write a letter of recommendation
-can not have drug or alcohol problems or charges
-The FBI checks your criminal record every 24 hours once you have a class 3 license or Concealed weapons permit
-You need to pay a tax on every gun you own 300$ a pop or so as well as renew your class 3 license every few years at the cost of a few hundred
-You need to be digitally fingerprinted
-You need to pay for a criminal backround check
-You need to submit two passport quality photos
-You must live in a state that allows those weapons
-You must be 21 or older
-You must be a legal citizen native born in America

Do you think your average jackass criminal can pass all those criteria? Doubtful. Getting a letter of recommendation from your local sheriff. I'm sure he would write one for anyone who ask's to own machineguns in his town. The sad fact is the people who are obtaining these guns illegally are the ones that are the problem not the redneck who likes to blast trees in his backyard like me.



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Sep 24 2004 10:48PM
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the avrage serial killer has no criminal backround. they are just some guy who went crazy.

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Sep 24 2004 10:51PM
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Ohh and some crazy asshole needs a gun to kill people? My weapon of choice would be a flamethrower plus they are great for getting snow off the driveway in the winter


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Sep 24 2004 10:53PM
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well serial killers generally use guns.

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Sep 24 2004 10:53PM
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the statistics you gave dont work for your argument and you should have specified assault rifels earlyer on.

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Sep 24 2004 10:57PM
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Name me how many times in the last ten years some 'Serial killer' a.k.a crazy asshole killed a lot of people with a machine gun? I think homemade bombs are 100x the threat as a fully automatic weapon is.


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Sep 24 2004 11:02PM
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handguns or rifels... that is the point though, they havnt used an assault rifel very often becuase most serial killers have no criminal backround. therefore they wouldnt buy an assault rifel illagaly.

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Sep 24 2004 11:12PM
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You can be 18 and pass a simple background check to get a semi-auto assualt rifle. Its the same as a rifle. Also, im assuming most serial killers that use firearms, use handguns. Living in a free society comes with its down fall, if a person has a clean record, but wants to go kill people he can get a handgun. But if they outlawed handguns, serial killers would probably use something else. Yes there's problems with having legal guns, but their tiny compared to illegal guns. My way of looking at is, guns are fun, people that kill people aren't so much. My views are most likely just a product of my location(no real gun violence, lots of guns). Maybe if i grew up in a place where there were plenty of people getting killed and nobody was really stoked on guns anyway, i would be siding with the anti-gun types. I pretty much comes down to: guns aren't going to be banned, handguns are probably never going to be banned, and assualt rifles aren't really any different then other semi rifles, and serial killers probably don't have the urge to go through all the fucking hassle to get a class 3 liscense



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Sep 25 2004 1:44AM
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and the ban being lifted doesn't mean its easier for people to get assualt weapons. just because they couldn't be imported or manufactured didn't mean there was a shortage.



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Sep 25 2004 1:46AM
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It funny, I bet most of the people arguing against assault rifles had never been into a gun store before the ban expired. If you would ever have you would've immediatly noticed assault rifles on the gun rack. You might've have also noticed assault rifles aren't cheap, an AR-15 carbine costs over $1500, they'll still be expensive without a manufacture/import ban.


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Sep 25 2004 12:45PM
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I hate the argument 'If someone wants to kill someone real bad it doesnt matter if their is a law' It just is silly because it may be true sometimes but a lot of the times those deaths could be stoped. But it is also like saying 'If someone wants to break any law real bad the will so we should just not have laws'



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Sep 25 2004 1:39PM
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theres only one thing we can do to stop all the violence:

cut off everyones hands and replace them with guns
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Sep 25 2004 2:24PM
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''AR-15 carbine costs over $150'' i would imagine that now that they can be imported or made here or whatever that prices will go down a bit.

bassically what some of you have been saying:
'People will kill people if they want, no matter wht the law is, so why bother with laws'

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Sep 25 2004 3:57PM
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wether you think i have won this argument or not, Ice-is-scary cant use those statistics to support his argument becuase they dont. if you need more on this read my posts.

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Sep 25 2004 3:58PM
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^hey I just said that part about no laws! stealer!



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Sep 25 2004 4:00PM
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ya i was saying it differently i guess


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Sep 25 2004 5:00PM
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AR-15s were never apart of the ban, so they probably won't be affected price was.



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Sep 25 2004 5:04PM
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Well regardless of your opinions guns are here to stay. Furthermore, we have way bigger social problems then trying to ban certain guns while allowing others.


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Sep 25 2004 5:08PM
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^agreed



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Sep 25 2004 5:09PM
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OK LISTEN UP... wee in a pointless war... but people who say fuck the army should die... even though this war is stupid.. were in it.. so why dont you fucking support the troops.. there over there fighting right now... your a fucking retard if your saying fuck the troops AND FUCK JOHN KERRY
jesus why dont you learn how to support people who are giving there lives for this country.. if i could i would but a bullet through all the heads of the people who arnt supporting the troops
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Sep 25 2004 5:49PM
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jarossamdb7, I don't see how you have won anything in this argument; you can't even seem to speak english or at least get 1 word in 10 spelled correctly.


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Sep 25 2004 8:27PM
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Baker
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^^you think he meant to post to this thread?



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Sep 25 2004 8:35PM
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have you read all my posts earlyer in this thread? the statistics ice is scarry used prove nothing for his or your arguments. They dont have a spicific colum for Assault Rifels.

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Sep 25 2004 10:59PM
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hahahaha what the fuck was that kid talking about with supporting the troops??? so fucking random!



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Sep 26 2004 9:12AM
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Why do Americans need guns? Most of the rest of the modern civilisation seems to be doing fine without them...

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Oct 24 2004 4:49PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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You dont live in America relax Kotelet this is one issue I can say with certainty you don't need to be worrying about.

Why do Danish people need castles? The rest of the world seems to be doing fine without them.


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Oct 24 2004 4:54PM
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i am 99% sure that jarossamdb77 is mentally retarded.


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Oct 24 2004 4:57PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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Yeah quite possibly, this country needs to be putting a lot more money in education. I personally remember being to spell when I was his age.


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Oct 24 2004 4:59PM
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Ice-Is-Scary >>> Frankly I don't care if you have guns or not. Neither worrying. Im just wondering why?

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Oct 25 2004 5:11AM
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Fun to shoot.


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Oct 25 2004 8:05AM
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I think since if someone wanted, they could get a rocket launcher underground, then we should legalize them too. Really, as long as you're a law-abiding, honest citizen, there is nothing wrong with having a rocket launcher in your closet. Hell, everyone should have a tank in their garage, because it's fun to drive tanks around and shoot paper targets with them. Guns for sport are ok, but the firing ranges should own the guns, not the people. You go to the range to shoot and get your gun there. Guns, other than rifles for hunting, should not be in the home.
Oct 25 2004 9:43AM
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I agree. ^ Thats how we do it here where I live. And in many other parts of Europe

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Oct 25 2004 9:50AM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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and what happens when someone break into your house and they have a gun? call the police and hope they get there in time to clean up the bodies?


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Oct 25 2004 10:55AM
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what is this startling to you for, its been known for years



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Oct 25 2004 10:57AM
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The fact is I own a few guns. I am responsible and I can handle it. I know not everyone can. What is wrong with me having a few guns? I'm not gonna kill any innocent people. Every now and then I like going down to the range and blasting shit it's very relaxing. A irresponsible person with a gun is no more dangerous than an irresponsible person with a car. Guns have been demonized is if once you get one in your hands you just cant control it. It's a fucking piece of metal, use your head and they arnt dangerous at all.


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Oct 25 2004 11:03AM
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thats rifles though, honestly how many people are shot wit a rifle when they are getting murdered on the streets of newyork,,,you should look for the handgun info
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