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Two Lesbians Raised A Baby And This Is What they Got.

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garrett.
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http://front.moveon.org/two-lesbians-raised-a-baby-and-this-is-what-they-got/?rc=fb.fan Discuss. +k for embed currently on mobile.
Dec 1 2011 1:16PM
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Zimmerman
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yupp i was right. i watched it on this site several months ago and was thoroughly impressed. just shared it on the 'book too haha
Dec 1 2011 5:16PM
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Danoo
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Well said
Dec 1 2011 5:25PM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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My parents have nothing to do with the matter. Your beliefs are there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. Mine are that there is. So we disagree big deal. I have not called your beliefs bullshit at all ive just said what mine are and why i believe them. if you wanna believe something else go for gold. It would be a shot out of a canon but id bet your parents have similar beliefs to yours. What if i told you i had two dads? Then would change your mind at all? nope. I chose to be Christian myself my parents had nothing to do with that. And i have normal parents btw
Dec 1 2011 5:28PM
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mistaT
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I just wish Americans weren't so afraid of change.

The older population unfortunately has too large of a percentage of votes which in turn dictates how political representatives behave.

There's little doubt in my mind that same sex marriage and a number of other gay right measures would be passed if only people under the age of 40 were polled. So this in turn, to me at least, suggests its on its way but really? really? Get over the stigmatic, antique view of 'gays' and realize that much like the rest of the population gay people are diverse. Certainly I can understand why you wouldn't want kids raised by the most flamboyant gay man alive, but I certainly wouldn't want a child raised by the most conservative man alive either.
Dec 1 2011 5:28PM
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ski93
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I don't completely agree with a same sex couple raising a child, in my opinion, there's some significance to growing up in the presence of both sexes. One big difference, obviously, to being in a straight sexual relationship rather than a homosexual one is having the ability to reproduce. Humans are a species that are based on culture, unlike other animals (who also show homosexual behaviour) humans regulate sexual activity with cultural rules, rules like how to behave in the midst of a sexual partner. If a growing child is not exposed to man/woman interactions throughout his/her childhood, then that child is restricted to only seeing how a same sex couple can function. This makes it hard for such a child to develop the necessary social tools they need to co-operate in a sexually diverse relationship, and ultimately hinders their ability to have kids. This doesn't stand out as a major issue to me, seeing that a large majority of the human population is straight (I'm too lazy to look up statistics), but I think it's worth mentioning. As you can see, I'm not solely basing my opinion off of a prejudice against homosexual individuals, but instead the fact that this type of a relationship has the potential to harm the human population as a whole. Our species hasn't progressed this far by avoiding sexual reproduction, and since there are customs associated with the physical act of reproducing, I don't understand why people simply think that the effects that these types of relationships have on the world will be negligible. We can't all of a sudden just change our way of living after centuries of successful reproduction and expect the same result. I see the logic and reason behind this argument, and a 3:00 minute youtube video definitely won't all of a sudden change my world views.
Dec 1 2011 5:32PM
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Dan.
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by that logic you don't agree with single parents either..
Dec 1 2011 5:34PM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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You must be good at english that was well written.
Dec 1 2011 5:34PM
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.AR6rider.
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What's your point? There's a very small population of Jews compared to the rest of the human population. Does that make it wrong to be Jewish?
Dec 1 2011 5:36PM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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Yes it does, a single straight parent will still probably go on dates, see the other sex as attractive etc etc. Unless its a single gay parent then his logic is flawed
Dec 1 2011 5:40PM
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FLBP
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I'm pretty sure the argument that the human population needs to reproduce is irrelevant in this day, we just hit 7 billion people in the world. Why not let people who choose not to reproduce take care of orphans?
Dec 1 2011 5:41PM
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Dan.
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you still haven't refuted the last point I made to you. I'm going to go ahead and assume that at some point you've ate seafood or pork or rabbit, therefore you are as much an abomination to society as homosexuals.
Dec 1 2011 5:42PM
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ski93
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No, not at all. I know you stand very firm on your position, but I think you should take what I said in context. I never argued that it was wrong to be a minority, I argued that same sex marriages can have detrimental effects on human reproduction, and therefore the human population as a whole. A larger body of straight couples will raise kids that are more likely to reproduce, therefore weighing out the effects that the gay couples have on the population. That's why I said I wasn't overly concerned with homosexual couples raising children.
Dec 1 2011 5:47PM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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Ate some this morning just for you. And the reason we couldnt use to eat it is because that law was to promote cermonial uncleanness etc when entering the temple (pork and shellfish have alot of parasite etc if not cooked properly) But since jesus died to save us (which you probably dont believe :) ) the need to enter the temple to make sacrifices is gone gone gone. So pork and shelf fish are fine now
Dec 1 2011 5:52PM
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.AR6rider.
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Ever had premarital s...nevermind, I already know the answer to that question. Carry on.
Dec 1 2011 5:53PM
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Dan.
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You cannot pick and choose which rules to follow. If you ate pork this morning, logic dictates that according to your beliefs in a particular set of rules, in this case the ones listed in leviticus, homosexuality is just fine. congrats, welcome to modern society, where homosexuality is perfectly normal. how does it feel to no longer be an indoctrinated bigot?
Dec 1 2011 5:55PM
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NinetyFour
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I don't have time to read the whole thread but...... The world is overpopulated as is, and we definatley have wayyyy to many people on this planet. Gay couples and lesbian couples are less likely to have kids, which is probably a good thing in today's day and age.
Dec 1 2011 5:57PM
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howlongcanausern
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i would like to see some evidence of this.
Dec 1 2011 5:58PM
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.AR6rider.
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Haha I just read this again and was about to mention it. I'm willing to bet that the straight kid with two dads is just as likely to have a wife and kid as the straight kid with a mom and dad. Saying that a kid with gay parents is less likely to reproduce in the future is fucking stupid.
Dec 1 2011 6:00PM
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piratesmiles
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lol gay people. If only redesigning drapes were a sport. /sigh
Dec 1 2011 6:02PM
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ski93
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Yes that's correct, but also completely irrelevant to the topic of this thread. If you want to talk to me sometime about other subjects we might disagree on, I'd be more than happy to...
Dec 1 2011 6:02PM
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.AR6rider.
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So a woman who was raped and wants to keep the baby is now a sinner? A woman whose husband was killed? A woman whose husband left her? Or vice versa. I have no hope for this planet. People like you and Shamwow guy make me want to kill myself.
Dec 1 2011 6:05PM
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Leeyum
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With the divorce rate in the United States being 50/50 now , it really astounds me that some people have the balls to say that straight couples deserve more rights than gays.

Vince^ you mentioned

"I dont have a problem with the people themselves, but rather the homosexuality part." So your butthurt (no pun intended) because gay couples have sex in the naughty place? Plenty of straight couples have butt/oral sex OMG. It seriously depresses me that people in our generation can rationally think as ignorantly as you are right now.
Dec 1 2011 6:06PM
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piratesmiles
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Au contraire mon frer, Vince with Shamwow is a brilliant salesperson, and enthusiastic whore-beater. He has my support.
Dec 1 2011 6:08PM
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Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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Sham wows are awesome. And this guy never said anything about sins etc. although i must agree(WTF) with ar6 i hahve nothing against women whose husbnds are killed or are raped etc.
Dec 1 2011 6:08PM
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ski93
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Dec 1 2011 6:10PM
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.AR6rider.
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No, no, don't get me wrong here, the real Vince from Shamwow is a baller. Beats up hookers and sells me a fantastic product. I have two boxes of Shamwows at home. This clown pretending to be him on NS is who I'm referring to. Sorry for the confusion.
Dec 1 2011 6:10PM
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piratesmiles
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OHHHHHHhhhh. Carry on then.
Dec 1 2011 6:12PM
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ski93
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so basically anyone that argues against you right?
Dec 1 2011 6:14PM
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ktd619
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holy shit storm.
Dec 1 2011 6:14PM
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.AR6rider.
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No, not at all. People who are so fucking bigoted and ignorant that they actually believe the bullshit they have been fed and continue to spew from their idiot mouths. People like you. It's not just a differing opinion here.
Dec 1 2011 6:18PM
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theabortionator
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You're brilliant. Argue for a retarded cause and completely write off a video that applies massively so that your wonderful bubble world of ignorance doesn't burst.

People these days
Dec 1 2011 6:18PM
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las.
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Just quoting for emphasis.
Dec 1 2011 6:20PM
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Inbred_Redneck
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Zach went to my highschool and i lifeguarded with him for a summer. We ran that motherfuckin pool.

Dec 1 2011 6:21PM
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ski93
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lol I actually don't care about lesbian marriages, I have better things to worry about. I know "vincefromshamwow" personally and I just wanted to argue against this issue to piss AR6 off.

...you mad, bro?
Dec 1 2011 6:23PM
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BE..
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I hate how Christian's claim to be all about loving everyone until someone doesn't agree with them. " Oh yeah my god loves everybody and we are all great unless you are gay, of another religion, not from America, not white (honestly). The Christian religion is far and away the most hateful religion in the world.
Dec 1 2011 6:23PM
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.AR6rider.
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Not at all haha. I'm sitting in the middle of a boring class still semi-buzzed from a late lunch at the bar and felt like talking shit to some idiots like you.
Dec 1 2011 6:29PM
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Spinoza
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i don't like the end of your answer.
People should be able to do whatever they want in public that they do in their basement.  Its not up to you.   so long as they do not intrude on another's freedom they can do what they want and you have no right to say otherwise.   thats the whole point

NOW,   heres one thing i will explain that you may agree with (hopefully).   The concept of MARRIAGE as far as i know is a Christian idea.  They have rights to it since they invented it and its a huge part of christianity.    Recently the idea of marriage has gone main stream as the way two people become officially united.  Christians and non-Christians get 'married' all the time.  So if you want to say that gay people cannot get 'married' since it goes against the people who invented marriage, then fine.  I cant argue with you on that.  
But if you say that then you also have to say no non-christians are allowed to get 'married'

respond please
Dec 1 2011 6:29PM
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Leeyum
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NA that be them arabs....Mercia...herp derp
no I always find it funny that christians show jesus as a white blonde dude with a six pack- when he for sure was brown if he existed.
Dec 1 2011 6:29PM
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Suchy
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So because you are christian that completely dominates your mindset??? Therefore you are the living bible and all of it's thoughts????? Well that's a relief.... now go back to taking slaves, smiting people, and commiting rape. Also if you shave you are going to burn in hell. Good day Mr.Christian brainwash man.
Dec 1 2011 6:36PM
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feihlination
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QFE, QFT quote for whatever. why is there no answer on this post?

QUOTE FOR THE FUCKING WIN
Dec 1 2011 6:37PM
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theabortionator
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I love a good shitstorm honestly.



I think we got a lot accomplished.
Dec 1 2011 6:38PM
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cobra_commander
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I think you will find there are plenty of examples of both good and bad parenting from both homo and hereto couples.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/well-stop-puberty-so-tommy-can-become-tammy/story-e6frf7lf-1226169281540

Dec 1 2011 6:46PM
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.AR6rider.
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As do I. I always keep my umbrella handy.
Dec 1 2011 6:49PM
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PhaedeD
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who caress... I dick is on a guy and a vagina is on a girl......FOR A REASON.


you can still hit anal wit yo chick if you want though
Dec 1 2011 6:50PM
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cobra_commander
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That said I think it is necessary for parents, regardless of whom they raise their children with, to understand that their children should have both good male and female role models and influences. I think homocouples need to be especially aware of the gender influences available to their child. There are things that a father will teach their child, that a mother would be less capable to do so, and vise versa.
Dec 1 2011 6:51PM
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Blindsurfer
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can you please go die
Dec 1 2011 6:54PM
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ryano
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homosexuals dont want rights.. they want special privileges.

why are they privileges and not rights? because what they are doing, is NOT normal. it is NOT the way nature works. whether you believe in a God or not.

if it was the way nature was suppose to work. you would still be able to reproduce without other means.

it applies in all areas of life.. male goes into female. you have two male ends, it doesnt work. two female ends, it doesnt work.

religion aside. it is not natural. it is not the way human kind, or animals for that matter... it is not the way it works.
Dec 1 2011 6:59PM
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.AR6rider.
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Yawn...another idiot.
Dec 1 2011 7:01PM
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EmperorKuzco
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Get your religious shit views out of politics, they have no place. Why can't we live in a country where everyone has equal rights as citizens? Just cause you and your religion believe it is wrong doesn't mean it should affect other people in this country. Yea everyone knows Christians are against gay marriage because of what GOD blah blah blah said. Sorry to inform you that not everyone believes in God and those beliefs. Therefore your involuntarily subjecting your religious views on the rest of the country and preventing perfectly normal and responsible adults from adopting children, and having a family of their own.
Dec 1 2011 7:02PM
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ryano
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i think its funny that all you guys do is name call or try to belittle the intelligence of the person opposing your view.

i never said i hate those people or called them fags or that they are simply idiots/dumb/stupid etc. for their decisions.

i simple state that i dont agree with it, and my reasoning behind it and you guys completely ridicule/hate on/degrade/etc me and/or my intelligence.
Dec 1 2011 7:06PM
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