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Michael Moore hates america

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bobdole
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i dont know if this is been posted but check out this guy and the documentry he's making.

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/trailer_lrg.html


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Jun 25 2004 6:33PM
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bobdole
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fuck it has fuckn shit fucker!!!


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Jun 25 2004 6:34PM
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misterbinz
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i posted this a while ago, but the guy who made this video doesn't understand that the reason moore makes his movies is to raise awareness, so the country that he loves can change for the better.

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Jun 25 2004 6:35PM
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coolcat410
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Yeah this is why there should be a little bit of restrictions to the 1st amendment. I really dont like that moore guy.
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Jun 25 2004 6:36PM
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misterbinz
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there should be restrictions to the first ammendment because some people say stuff that you don't like? give me a break

'its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha' - huckster989

'Everyday the biased scum-of-the-earth imbecile that is Bill O'Reilly never ceases to amaze me with his overall idiocy and lack of grey cells between his ears.' - trevorwoulddoit
Jun 25 2004 6:37PM
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coolcat410
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^ I don't think there should be movies out bashing our government and president. Especially during war time.
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Jun 25 2004 6:39PM
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lenzner
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^ Restrict the first amendment? The United States wouldnt be what the United States stands for if you restricted the amendments.
Jun 25 2004 6:40PM
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coolcat410
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^ Theres such thing as taking things too far. This movie is anti-american.
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Jun 25 2004 6:42PM
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he has good reason to i think. america is full of idiots. examples?....most of the head people in government
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Jun 25 2004 6:42PM
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misterbinz
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right, we should just agree with whatever the president says, because he has a hard job, and we're at war, which means we have to support our country, and that means not expressing disappoval of anything our government does, even if they torture people.

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Jun 25 2004 6:43PM
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the man is a moron


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Jun 25 2004 6:46PM
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coolcat410
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That's not what im saying, i just don't think a movie should be made just to help bush lose the up coming election and stuff. How would you feel to be over in Iraq fighting and knowing back home everyone doesn't support you at all and think your a jerk just for being there.

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bobdole
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thats why other people are making movies to get the other side of the story


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Jun 25 2004 6:47PM
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lenzner
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Coolcat, I don't know of anyone who doesn't support the troops, the soldiers themselves.
Jun 25 2004 6:50PM
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misterbinz
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yeah, micheal moore supports the troops too, he just doesn't support the people that sent the troops to war

'its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha' - huckster989

'Everyday the biased scum-of-the-earth imbecile that is Bill O'Reilly never ceases to amaze me with his overall idiocy and lack of grey cells between his ears.' - trevorwoulddoit
Jun 25 2004 6:51PM
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coolcat410
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Yeah my brother is a student at West Point, they get protests all the time about the students. Right after they graduate they have to serve the army for 4 years, right there are the people against the troops.
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move to zimbabwae..^^^


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Jun 25 2004 6:56PM
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agingeri
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'Yeah this is why there should be a little bit of restrictions to the 1st amendment. I really dont like that moore guy.'

Saying there should be restrictions to the 1st amendment is a helluva lot more unamerican than criticizing the standing political power. I suggest you bone up on you American history and why exactly we declared inedpendence in the first place.

If you want to live in a right-wing totalitarian state where people don't get to criticize the government, there are plenty of countries you can move to. America is supposed to be, to use Reagans words (man, I never thought I'd do that), 'A shining city on a hill' - an example for the rest of the world to follow. The world's going to hell as it is; we don't need to help it along.

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Jun 25 2004 7:47PM
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coolcat410
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Ok, by restriction i mean that movies should not be made DURING WAR TIMES bashing the government, the president, and the soldiers fighting the war.
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Jun 25 2004 8:03PM
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^hes not bashing the soldiers. He's just bashing the retards who put the soldiers there




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Jun 25 2004 8:05PM
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coolcat410
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Still that's just going to hurt the soldier's morale that are fighting for you sons of bitches. Last thing i'd want if i was fighting a war for my country is hearing that half of my nation doesn't support me.
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Jun 25 2004 8:08PM
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fulltiltrocker
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There is a difference between bashing America and bashing Bush. It really is sad when people cannot seperate the two, really sad.






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Jun 25 2004 8:10PM
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^ Yeah bush was voted by a majority of the people to represent America, he's our leading. When you bash Bush you bash America.
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Jun 25 2004 8:13PM
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fulltiltrocker
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^Really the majority was against Bush after it all went down but that is irrevalant.
ok, if I say Tanner Hall is a moron that does not mean I am against skiing, or agaisnt armada.

If Kerry wins are you going to stick behind him like you do Bush? just wondering






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Jun 25 2004 8:18PM
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coolcat410
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I'm not sure if i'd back up Kerry, i can lie and say i would. But I wouldnt say his an idiot and stuff, i think that is really anti american. I'd have to see how i feel if he wins.

It's not Tanner Hall owns skiing. It's more like saying Ronald Mc Donald is a idiot, your just dissing the restaruant.
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Jun 25 2004 8:24PM
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jksl
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saying ronald mcdonald is an idiot would in no way bash mcdonalds as a whole, cause you can hate him, and love the food, you are stupid

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Jun 25 2004 8:32PM
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fulltiltrocker
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Yah I think the Tanner Hall metaphor did not really work out like i wanted.
I see where you are coming from with itall being anti American, especially in time of war.
But these 'bush bashers' are really trying to help America, this war means nothing to them, it is not like we are losing or trying to change the world, we are only after oil. And revealing the trues of Bush and his administration is a plea to change, because we really need change.

Bashing Bush is by no means Anti American. It is trying to save America.






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Jun 25 2004 8:35PM
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you guys always argue about this, and dont make any fuckin sense. last time i checked, you have the right and privelage of freedom of speach, he chooses to take advantage of that. just becase you dont like his opinion, doesnt mean you can shut him up. of course, you have the right to speak your mind, so you can whine, which is fine, everyone just thinks your a pussy after it though.
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Jun 25 2004 8:35PM
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coolcat410
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^ First to call names, that'll get you far buddy. I can't think of a really good example that shows what the president is like to the united states, but it certainly isnt like Tanner Hall and skiing.
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^fuck you and anyone like you
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Jun 25 2004 8:42PM
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coolcat, if i understood your point, i might be offended..
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Jun 25 2004 8:48PM
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another thing, whoever said america is full of idiots is a jerk. but you guys see moores movies from the complete wrong prospective. you here him slandering your beloved president and close your ears to the facts that support his opinions. hes not anti american, hes just a very left wing person. he doesnt do all of this just to get you guys pissed off, or to say your dumb, just to get his point across.
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Jun 25 2004 8:53PM
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asac
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Coolcat sounds very conservative. I don't like conservatives. The majority of the U.S. is liberal. Yet we're not a liberal country. Fuck the conservatives who control the government like Coolcat. Fahrenheit 9/11 let me see threw the bullshit, just like LSD.





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i didn't read any posts but in response to the first one and the title of the thread; moore obviously loves america and he uses the freedoms given to him under our constitution to raise awareness about problems that could be going by the wayside. why doesnt anybody see that, geeze. you damn republicans, if you claim to be such die hard america lovers you would see that, but instead the lot of you are just uniformed bigots with no opinions and thoughts of your own. yeah i called you uniformed bigots, get over it.




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'Ok, by restriction i mean that movies should not be made DURING WAR TIMES bashing the government, the president, and the soldiers fighting the war.'

So... in times of war, the homeland automatically becomes a police state and all citizens surrender their rights to free speech? I don't think so.

'Yeah bush was voted by a majority of the people to represent America, he's our leading. When you bash Bush you bash America.'

First off, Bush DIDN'T get a majority vote, not even taking into account the mess in Florida. The ELECTORAL COLLEGE system is what got him elected. But, putting that aside: so the President is America personified? Back in the Clinton years, were all us Americans adulterers by definition? I don't think so. America is everybody, not just the President. And sometimes the President does things that the American public doesn't like. It's the job of the American public to tell the president how they feel, so that he (hopefully) won't do it again.

'To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.'

-Teddy Roosevelt, 1918

And he was a republican!

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Jun 25 2004 10:04PM
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sherloke or what ever.. read the thread


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Jun 25 2004 10:07PM
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ah fuck 'anti-american' michael moore should be aloud to make a movie about anything he wants, and he can becuase of the first amendment. and coolcat wants to change that? restrictions? you make me sick.



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Jun 25 2004 10:08PM
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Moore is a stupid bastard who uses skewed statistics to brainwash openminded kids into believing things that aren't true. BFC really pissed me off especially when he used the number of gun deaths in each country. You can't compare straight total number of deaths from one country to the other, it is so misleading its actually funny. I don't remeber the exact numbers but after the movie me and a friend figured out the per capita of all the countries he mentioned and they were all about the same. He does this shit because they are true stats that seem relevant but when you think about it you can't compare the total deaths of the us (pop. ap. 285 mil) and britain (pop ap. 60 mil) without making the two proportional



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Jun 25 2004 10:11PM
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asac
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he lays out the facts and says 'here's what i see, here's what i interperate, now here's my opinion'. its a very insiteful movie and it was pretty funny too. His intentions for America are only good and it the persons fault who sees it if they get brainwashed.

(i know its exactly what i typed in the other post but i had the same thing to say about both)






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Jun 25 2004 10:13PM
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i posted this a while ago, but the guy who made this video doesn't understand that the reason moore makes his movies is to raise awareness, so the country that he loves can change for the better.

Maybe Michael Moore uses that as an excuse but I seriously doubt he's that good of a person. He want's to create controversy. I think Wilsons movie looks hilarious.

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Jun 25 2004 10:30PM
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Snowman_ja, Britain was shown to have under 100 gun deaths, but let's say it was 100. 285 million to 60 million... so the U.S. population is 4.5x Britain's. 4.5 x 100 = 450. Did the U.S. have more than 450 gun deaths total? Yeah, a few more. So how can you say they were the same per capita? Please explain this new learning in mathematics, by which 450 is the same as 10,000.

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Jun 25 2004 10:46PM
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im not gonna go watch that film bec it full of lies. meh im to tired to care
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Jun 25 2004 10:51PM
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yes it certainly is, lies, all lies. george bush on the other hand is an upstanding citizn, a model for our generation. he does not lie. he does not torture people.
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once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
Smuggs has a good point. Julia Roberts tried eating me when i was an orphan, but i bit her toe off, so she left me alone. - misterbinz
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Jun 25 2004 10:56PM
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meh josh why u always gotta attack man?
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Jun 25 2004 11:00PM
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i dont know... im tired... and its instinct... and its not lies, its opinion.
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once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
Smuggs has a good point. Julia Roberts tried eating me when i was an orphan, but i bit her toe off, so she left me alone. - misterbinz
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
Jun 25 2004 11:01PM
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i hope crystal needs is kidding.



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Jun 25 2004 11:02PM
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although i don't agree on all of michaels stuff, i like him. and about the guy that says all moore says is lies, he doesn't he lays down misleading facts, if you were smart you could figure it out.



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Jun 25 2004 11:46PM
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yeah it is opinon and distorting information to make $$$$
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Jun 25 2004 11:52PM
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After ACTUALLY SEEING fahrenheit 9/11, I will tell you that it is ANYTHING BUT anti american. Infact it is quite the contrary.








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Jun 25 2004 11:57PM
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listen to the smart movie editor man
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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
Smuggs has a good point. Julia Roberts tried eating me when i was an orphan, but i bit her toe off, so she left me alone. - misterbinz
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
Jun 25 2004 11:58PM
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well i know what its bout and i think he is just doing it too make money and bush bash
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