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Shreddysaurus
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An avid reader of horrible NSG threads, over the summer it seemed like every other day had a huge religion thread. Many side were taken, mostly science, some God, and a couple Joseph smiths. A few held strong arguments as to why they chose not to follow religion and believe in God. Hardly any supported themselves in a feasible manner in favor of religion although they stuck to what they believed in.

The question I ask is why do you believe or not believe? (God)
Oct 21 2010 1:26AM
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GayWolf420
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Ive never really been into religion because its confusing and boring as fuck. so why bother?
Oct 21 2010 1:27AM
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ryano
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pm me. i'll let you know.
Oct 21 2010 1:27AM
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I.B
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I'm a very strong believer in the FSM(flying spaghetti monster)
Oct 21 2010 1:30AM
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Shreddysaurus
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boring as fuck, got it
Oct 21 2010 1:43AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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inb4 an argument i would like to be a part of
Oct 21 2010 1:45AM
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mattster
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I don't have the time. Religion takes a lot of work. I have shit to do.
Oct 21 2010 1:47AM
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Testicles
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Jesus was gay and black
Oct 21 2010 1:49AM
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no_steeze
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i honestly don't believe in god because i was raised in a completely unreligious family and never had any reason to. i didn't have to go to church and get brainwashed each sunday. as i got older and more able to make my own decisions and interpretations, my opinion never swayed because i saw no evidence of any form of god. its entirely implausible
Oct 21 2010 1:52AM
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SCOO-WOOP
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I believe in God. I went to church. They tried to "Brainwash" me. But I have to say, now that I'm older and able to understand more of what the priests are saying, a lot of the sermons aren't so much about "ZOMG BELIEVE IN GOD OR YOU GO TO HELL!" as they are about trying to live together as one people regardless of religion. While yes, I do think that the church tends to bend and twist and lie, individual priests and pastors do have some really good insight into today's modern world. I go to a catholic school, and the priest that holds our masses very rarely talks about God at all in his homily. Most of us just sleep through the mass except for his homily because it pertains to most of our lives. But like he says, "I'm gonna be so god damn pissed if God doesn't exist."

Also, I don't see God as this omnipresent, omnipotent being. I just see him/her/it as something/someone that just gives us a push in the right direction from time to time, but leaves it up to us whether we take that road or not.



Also, for all those fundamental christians,

Hell doesn't exist.

Fuck you.


Oct 21 2010 1:57AM
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987321654hgfd
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I do not believe in god because science gives much more believable answers to my questions.
Oct 21 2010 1:57AM
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SCOO-WOOP
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This also.
Oct 21 2010 1:58AM
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Shreddysaurus
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See Im the same as you, never went to church, family doesn't go to church etc. But I do believe in God. Im against religion tho. The influence the bible has on our civilization as we know today is pretty strong. Something that has influenced so many people over such a long period of time deserves some sort of credibility.
Oct 21 2010 2:00AM
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SCOO-WOOP
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The bible is a double edged sword.

On one hand,
Its helped multitudes of people live better lives, blah blah blah.

On the other,
It is one of the greatest weapons mankind has ever produced.
Oct 21 2010 2:02AM
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uosdwiSrjewoH
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i always thought of myself as an agnostic, didn't want to choose, but this year i just settled on atheism. while i admit humans are a pretty big deal as far as life forms go, we're not as big a deal as we think we are. we're fucking smart, but in a chemical sense, we're the same as anything out there. i think we're a pretty damn cool species as far as animals go, but we're still basically animals. animals who are absolutely ridiculous at using tools.
Oct 21 2010 2:07AM
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uosdwiSrjewoH
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huh, didn't really answer the question there. basically, i chose because i personally believe that my views are right, i guess..

also, interestingly enough, i had a class on pascal's wager today, there's a pretty good reason to choose religion, even if it didn't manage convince me to stop fapping.
Oct 21 2010 2:10AM
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SCOO-WOOP
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So we're like the Tom Wallisch of tool using in the animal world?
Oct 21 2010 2:14AM
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SCOO-WOOP
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Oct 21 2010 2:32AM
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Shreddysaurus
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You have a really cool younglife leader who takes you skiing, Got it
Oct 21 2010 11:48AM
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Nooschoolers
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shut up
Oct 21 2010 11:48AM
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Shreddysaurus
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fuck off
Oct 21 2010 11:50AM
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Shreddysaurus
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haha I know just giving you shit. Do catholics pray to jesus or pray to god?
Oct 21 2010 1:14PM
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thugaim
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>implying an omnipotent, omnipresent, perfect being would need people to worship it.
Oct 21 2010 1:22PM
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uosdwiSrjewoH
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also

>implying a creator being would need to be omnipotent, omnipresent and perfect
Oct 21 2010 2:23PM
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Shreddysaurus
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>implying that being "needs" people to worship it.
Oct 21 2010 2:41PM
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Nobody.
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depends on how lucky or unlucky my day is. lucky- i believe in god unlucky-i dont
Oct 21 2010 2:42PM
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snowking249
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I really dont know whether i should get in on this one.
Oct 21 2010 2:51PM
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thugaim
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>implying the god argument isn't always about the judeo/christian god, who demands people worship him and do what he says, with the punishment of eternal suffering if they don't.

also >implying anyone can argue the existance of a god that is "a higher power" that doesn't really interfere with our lives. Nobody gives a shit if thats what you believe because its completely irrelevant to anyones life and is also not provable.


Oct 21 2010 2:58PM
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Ehh...
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I think Atheists who don't believe in religion are idiots.

First off, if you spending as much time NOT believing in god as someone who does. Its a religion.

Second off, i do believe in god. Why? Because of my anatomy background i know that DNA, enzymes, and the other reactions in a cell are too complex to happen by accident, or a puddle of mud, big bang theory, or etc.


INB4 Hate on believing in god, not caring, or evolveling.
Oct 21 2010 3:16PM
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Shreddysaurus
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yup I definitely implied that...

And you are implying that implying, which is like a dream within a dream, which leads to limbo.
Oct 21 2010 3:21PM
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thugaim
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>implying you're not trolling.
Oct 21 2010 3:23PM
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Mr.Panda
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1.) Shut the fuck up. Seriously, religions are to blame for everyone wanting to kill each other ever since the first Barbarian threw someone on the slab and cut their heart out. I personally think that anyone who believes a work of fiction to be 100% truth and tell others they are idiots for not believing in wizards, warlocks, and witches are the ones that are idiots.

2.) What the fuck is your second sentence supposed to be saying. I suggest an education before believing in some "GOD"
Oct 21 2010 3:24PM
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uosdwiSrjewoH
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lol, i was going to respond to this, then i decided someone else probably would for me. thanks panda.
Oct 21 2010 3:25PM
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Ehh...
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If you spending as much time not believing in god isn't that what a religion is. believing or not believing something. Like saying skiing could be a religion?
Oct 21 2010 3:27PM
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Shreddysaurus
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I never understood how this argument was valid pertaining to the bible, then I read Joshua
Oct 21 2010 3:28PM
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Mr.Panda
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Like most religious people I have met you are an arrogant piece of dirt.

"If you are spending as much time not believing..."

See, the thing is that if I do NOT believe in God I am not even fucking thinking about it so I am not wasting any time thinking about it.
Oct 21 2010 3:31PM
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Ehh...
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Ok good your one of those atheists. As long as you don't go around belittling what people think I'm ok with it. I feel people should do what they feel is best for them i gave my 2 cents. Now i'll gtfo. Have a nice day.
Oct 21 2010 3:33PM
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ButteredToast.
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It's confusing and fucking frustrating.

How am I supposed to believe in someone who no one seems to have EVER legitimately seen?

They got their principles straight, I'll give them that. I will and do live by the principles of treating people right yadayada.

The bible says that getting high and drunk is a sin. I don't see how that's a sin. At all.

I prefer not to think about it too much because its annoying and confusing.
Oct 21 2010 4:52PM
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wasatch_rat
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a lot of (not all) atheists spend too much time hating on religion and blaming all the wars and problems of the world on religion. the ultimate irony of that, is that they are doing exactly what they hate so much about religion: alienating people because of their beliefs and wanting to change their opinion because (according to them) its ruining the world. so everybody, on both sides, theist or atheist, chill the fuck out.

as to why i believe in god, well theres absolutely no way to prove or disprove the existence of a higher power. atheists like to make it a god vs. science thing, and i don't think it has to be at all. the further we push our knowledge the closer we get to god imho. i just think theres a unifying intelligence to everything that goes on. even human thought can influence molecular action (watch "what the bleep to we know," its fucking awesome), so everything is connected at some level. i just think the universe has a conscience
Oct 21 2010 4:54PM
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wasatch_rat
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where in the bible does it say getting high and drunk is a sin?
Oct 21 2010 4:56PM
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uosdwiSrjewoH
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ya, it doesn't, society does. i used to think that too because of it
Oct 21 2010 4:58PM
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ButteredToast.
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It says something about altering your state of consciousness or something.

Like you're allowed to drink, but not in excess (aka being drunk).

I don't know, I could be wrong. I hate the bible, therefore I don't read it.
Oct 21 2010 4:59PM
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SCOO-WOOP
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/agree

The bible doesn't say shit about drinking or smoking. For all we know, early christians, jews, and muslims could have been more blazed than you describe in those comics  you guys are so keen on making.
Oct 21 2010 5:14PM
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Mr.Panda
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Palestenians vs Israelis

The Muslims vs the Kurds

India vs Pakistan in Kashmir

India vs Pakistan in general since Pakistan used to be part of India

Chechneya vs Russia

Iran vs the Bedouin Tribes



Yeah, religion has NOTHING to do with some of the biggest warzones in the world.
Oct 21 2010 5:49PM
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Mike-O
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Just wanted to say that to me it's always the other way around. Religious people say something on topic of God and such, you reply: "Sorry, I don't believe in God." Then they proceed to ask you "Why?!"

To me it's always like this, I have to start explaining as if I'm in the wrong. It's hard to be polite when talking to someone so deeply religious in their minds that everything is an act of God. It's like Panda said, if you are not a smug asshole by nature, then you as an atheist simply digress from thinking about anything to do with religion instead of driving your agenda down people's throats.
Oct 21 2010 5:59PM
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wasatch_rat
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i never denied that religion has played a part in a lot of wars. i simply pointed out the irony of atheists like your and gnartron being self righteous about atheism.
Oct 21 2010 6:47PM
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thugaim
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>implying atheism isn't right.
Oct 21 2010 11:01PM
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GayWolf420
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If there is a "god" or if there is "jesus, I will believe it when I see it. Until I do, I'm calling bullshit.
Oct 21 2010 11:06PM
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