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9/11, 9 years later... loose change

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snomaster
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take a minute and watch this if you never have...

in case embad doesn't work here is a link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501#

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=7866929448192753501&hl=en&fs=true style=width:400px;height:326px allowFullScreen=true allowScriptAccess=always type=application/x-shockwave-flash>
Sep 10 2010 7:04PM
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joly.sp
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while i dont know much of the facts (like everyone else here) i sure dont think it would be out of the question that the gov was involved. Some parts just dont make sense, the "plane" that hit the pentagon should have been shot down. If i hijacked a plane and flew anywhere near the pentagon i would be shot the fuck down and headlines would read " Canadian Terrorism PLot Foiled".

Even if the gov knew of the attacks and let them happen thats just as bad as if they did them themselves
Sep 11 2010 2:06AM
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bryansbryan
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no, its just you and the other idiots who believe in a conspiracy. seriously, you only believe that crap because you haven't done any research except to watch some stupid online videos that a bunch of college kids scrapped together using techniques more closely related to propaganda bullshit than reporting.
Sep 11 2010 2:08AM
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ferrinski86
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conspiracy theories are so dumb.

i find it ironic that people hated bush and thought he was the dumbest president ever, but gave him credit for pulling the greatest conspiracy stunt in the history of our country. dumb fucking Americans.

every theory has been proved wrong by professionals. but i guess its now "cool" to believe in conspiracy theories.

and why the hell are we talking about this? 90% of Nsers were in middle school when this happened. most people on this site did not even know what the world trade centers were. so i am suppose to believe some little punk ass kid with google saved on his favorites so he can pretend he knows something.... hell no.

do people even remember what the first conspiracy theory was? i do. people said the government blew up the buildings to recover the gold blocks stored in the vaults in the basement! WHAT? yeah, cuz Bush and his cronies are evil and want the gold? how the hell does that make any sense. guess what? they accounted for every single block.

once that theory was disproved they moved to another theory, then another... and it snowballed since then.

people have to much time on their hands. they need a life and not tie dots together that cannot be tied together.
Sep 11 2010 2:10AM
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ferrinski86
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of course the government knew about it. the government always knows what is going on. the government had multiple, credible, intel of a terrorist attack inside our country. they knew that the terrorists would use a plane as a missile. they did not know where or when.

given that information what would you do? the gov was not about to shut down air traffic in this country for weeks, that would have bankrupted our airline industry.

this does not mean that they were involved in the attack.
Sep 11 2010 2:14AM
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bryansbryan
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remember this... hahahaha


here you go kiddos. people that know what they're talking about vs. those amazingly smart college kids who made loose change. enjoy and bask in the glory that is the college kids' reasoning skills mostly found in young children.
Sep 11 2010 2:14AM
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joly.sp
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your "research" involves what exactly? Believing every word the media spoon feeds you?
Sep 11 2010 2:19AM
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bryansbryan
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what education system did you attend where they didn't teach you how to fucking research? i feel so sorry for you that you don't know how to do such a basic but important skill.
Sep 11 2010 2:24AM
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joly.sp
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while i appreciate your clever response you did not answer the question
Sep 11 2010 2:26AM
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danderson.
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Quit fucking post - whoring. We get it, you can shoot down kid's ideas because of some youtube video you pulled up. Yes some kids in this thread are ignorant about the facts of September 11th, but just let them be. Why do you care if some kids on the internet question the true culprit of 9/11?

Anyways you've posted the same message like 7 times, just worded differently.

Sep 11 2010 2:27AM
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bryansbryan
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its like going fishing with grenades. its wayyyy to much fun.
Sep 11 2010 2:29AM
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r0dubs
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lol



it is though
Sep 11 2010 2:33AM
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fujarome
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i loved that popular mechanics vs loose change debate

popular mechanics cites experts and various sources for each point.

loose change cites their own research (no citations or experts referenced) and absolutely refuses to believe anything about the other side.

here's something to remember-if you're ever in a debate, and you sit there and giggle like a little girl at the opposition's points, you've already lost. Look at the kid. He can barely speak english at some points in the video, and they resort to interfering with their opposition, and speaking out of turn. Note the way the popular mechanics guys sit quietly, answer slowly, attentively, and deliberate in their word choice.

i think at one point dylan said something like "the government is cherrypicking the information they release to the government."

and the coroner's argument was great. Popular mechanics talked to him, saw evidence and pictures. Loose change did none of that, yet still claimed they were better.

i'm sorry, these 2 should be shot. They aren't conspiracy pioneers or even innovative. They are flat out too stupid to live.
Sep 11 2010 2:33AM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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Man brainwashing is a lot easier than it sounds. That or the people that believe in this bull-shit are complete ignorant fuck-tards that need to bull their heads out of there ass. I can say that because civility doesn't exist on NS so ya me!!


PS-Hey guys wanna know another really cool conspiracy. Obama is an illegal alien!!! His birth-certificate is really sketchy so that means the conspiracy must be right!!

FUCK YA!!!!!!
Sep 11 2010 2:50AM
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geteducated
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people try to find meaning in things not easily understood. and these videos are the only answers that they can find, so thats why they hold on to them so badly. they want to believe in this stuff because they feel it brings them some kind of clarity. i have a brother deep into this stuff. its sad, i try to be the devils advocate and put in some logic, but he doesn't listen, he is afraid of finding out the truth. a truth that disagrees with his hypothesis.
Sep 11 2010 3:03AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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i beg to differ
Sep 11 2010 3:05AM
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geteducated
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and why is that, or are you going to simulate the people in the video by not presenting your argument in a composed and logically thought out process?
Sep 11 2010 3:08AM
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bryansbryan
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what they're really afraid of is the thought that at that moment things were out of control of the government. notice that most conspiracy theorists are americans and have had no direct relation to 9/11? its because its comforting to them to think that the government knew exactly what was happening, it was in control and that there really aren't people out there that can successfully attack them on their own soil. hell the real world is kinda scary.
Sep 11 2010 3:08AM
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geteducated
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i don't know, usually the kind of people who think america is infallible are the last ones to believe in this stuff.
Sep 11 2010 3:10AM
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Deezy
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501#docid=5474006551011489413
Sep 11 2010 3:22AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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if you actually did proper research and didn't watch the fucking tv so much you might actually realize how stupid you sound. my eyes are fucking open, unlike yours, obviously. and YOU my friend are a sheep to the media. where does your logic/facts/mentality come from? the newspaper? television? you may be thinking 'no', but then where? i guarantee you didnt come to a conclusion by your own thought. and no need to swear at me you piece of shit, invest in a fucking noose. maybe the reason everyone is so blind is because of fucking morons like you preaching what the media tells you to.
Sep 11 2010 3:22AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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your username is ironic.
Sep 11 2010 3:24AM
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bryansbryan
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hahahaha, have you ever read a book before? they're plentiful and have oh so much great information! instead of watching youtube videos, how about you try one. here's one for starters!


come on, i can't wait to hear how all their sources are false and they're just another tool of the government to keep our eyes shut. haha
Sep 11 2010 3:26AM
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fsscott
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building seven was demolished by the government.

towers could go either way, don't care. pentagon, fuck it. plane in field, looks like bullshit.

damnit fly get out of my room...
Sep 11 2010 3:28AM
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RudyGarmisch
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Hey guise, i did my research, spent all afternoon watching youtube and believing everything the videos told me.
Sep 11 2010 3:45AM
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Harry_Pothead
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Sep 11 2010 3:48AM
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GayWolf420
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thats good. But now you have to sit infront of your tv and watch every faux news program for 16 hours straight to understand the whole truth
Sep 11 2010 3:49AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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again, persuaded by media. yes actually, im an avid reader. this may sound a little far fetched for your tiny brain, but maybe that book was published just to reinforce what the media is preaching? you ignorant fuck. im literally laughing at how fucked up you are. actually, im passed laughing. i just feel sorry for you. if you maybe put your fucked up biased mentality to the side for one second and looked into the other side of the story, you might learn something. hey, i dont blame you for thinking this way. i was in the same boat as you one time ago, back when i was a fucking idiot. get educated.
Sep 11 2010 3:54AM
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bryansbryan
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persuaded by the media? i did research by reading reports and factual information backed by experts and hard data and that's being persuaded by the media? what does that even mean? the general term of "media" seems to be some evil force to you and anything that constitutes "media" is anything that goes against your claims. how the fuck did you even hear about the 9-11 conspiracy? doi! by an internet video which is one of the lowest forms of media. i mean are you serious right now? you're just like all the others in saying that anyone who doesn't believe you is ignorant and biased. just for your information i loved the loose change videos when they first came out. it was highly entertaining and did get me to think. so you know what i did that you horribly failed at doing? research anyway i could with what resources i could feasibly use. all the actual evidence points to what the (ear muffs all you conspiracy fellows!) official (ok earmuffs off!) story states. no shocker really but when the truth is really presented to you, you completely refute it and do exactly what you claim all the people against you do- be an ignorant fuck. have fun in that little world of yours though.
Sep 11 2010 4:23AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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no, zeitgeist first. then many searches in google, and once or twice a search in a library. believe me, ive done more than enough research. official? is that what the tv told you? hmmm...truth? is that what the tv also told you? hmmm... little world i live in? wow, really? i have never witnessed irony at this level. im not ignorant mother fucker, it is you who is ignorant. open your eyes you fucking idiot. also, your rebuttal makes you sound like a complete fuck. just stop.
Sep 11 2010 4:39AM
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T-Holt
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Fuck this thread. I just wrote up a long rant about conspiracy theorists, but deleted it because it's not like a rant on an internet forum is going to do anything.

Honestly, this thread is just plain disrespectful. I was hoping that it was going to be a good memorial video, but nope, it's a conspiracy video.

Fuck that, this thread is a piece of shit.
Sep 11 2010 4:50AM
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fsscott
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You could've changed a few peoples viewpoints...
Sep 11 2010 4:51AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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for speaking opinions? fuck you.
Sep 11 2010 4:51AM
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bryansbryan
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haha ok, seeing how you haven't said anything in the past few posts i'm going to assume that anything said is going to result in the same response. hell you're ignoring stuff that i just told you. its really incredible, its like watching a rock try to soak up water. i'm going to leave it at this... until you can come up with ANY sort of evidence, god help you if you don't know what the difference between evidence and opinions is, then you'll have some basis to talk because you really haven't said anything. you know all the evidence i got seeing how you say you researched both sides REALLY hard and all so... where's yours?

Sep 11 2010 4:52AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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hahahaha so are you! listen to me you fuck, open your closed mind for a bit! uhhh, wheres your evidence? that book? sweet man, a fucking book that was written by a dude, who could've wrote some shit. once you give ME a/some legit source(s), then i will show you mine. GO! im excited to see what you produce.
Sep 11 2010 5:00AM
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T-Holt
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Please be sarcasm.

And to kimjong whatever: opinions can be disrespectful.
Sep 11 2010 5:02AM
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fsscott
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excuse me while i kick myself in the face for thinking people could learn things from others on the internet whilst not being ignorants :/

twas a silly thought

Sep 11 2010 5:07AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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sorry if you take it that way. but in the end im not going to desensitize my viewpoints for other people.
Sep 11 2010 5:18AM
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bryansbryan
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anyone else seeing this right now? unbelievable. apparently someone's lying when they said they've researched both sides. go ahead and read that book to start, do some more research, get educated then come back with more than feeble insults like evidence that supports your claims. its really getting pathetic.
Sep 11 2010 5:19AM
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fsscott
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I refuse to read such banter but would love to see a info-graphic of the progression and conclusion of this discussion..
Sep 11 2010 5:22AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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why would i do your work for you? dont call me out on lying, i know what ive done and havnt done. so again, where are your precious resources to back up your fucked up claims? sounds to me like these so called resources of yours have somehow disappeared...thats embarrassing. oh sorry, i forgot...that one single book! fuck me.
Sep 11 2010 5:26AM
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bryansbryan
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its not going to happen. i asked him to produce some kind of evidence to support his theories and he failed to do so. in order to turn the attention away from this failure, he then asks me to produce facts and evidence that he has already claimed to have seen but still wants me to repeat them to him... for whatever reason. oh yeah sorry, to distract people from the fact that he really has no evidence and is just another baseless conspiracy nut job. basically i've got to say that popular mechanics has done the best job to disprove all the theories that i've seen using a multitude of experts and information that have yet to be disproved. here's a condensed online version of it. http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

so unless he provides anything to support what he claims, its pretty much done.
Sep 11 2010 5:32AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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haha is that your other source? somethings fishy here....oh wait, i know what it is. its the same fucking thing! ha. GIVE ME A DIFFERENT LEGIT SOURCE. IS THAT SO FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND? we are going around in circles. if you dont have a different source in your next post then you will have proved to the world that you are a complete waste of bandwidth, and/or you are the worst troll in the history of the internet.
Sep 11 2010 5:55AM
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bryansbryan
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give me at least one source like i asked you to but you have not done yet. how about that? and how come you fail to read anything i post? are you that scared of being wrong? face it, you're done. this isn't going in circles, its going to you but you fail to defend yourself.
Sep 11 2010 6:03AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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zeitgeist is my main source. heres some others for you.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060405112622982

http://www.amazon.com/Truth-Lies-9-11-Mike-Ruppert/dp/B001NMT8R0

http://www.improbablecollapse.com/

http://www.archive.org/details/Illuminazi

http://www.amazon.com/Painful-Deceptions-Eric-Hufschmid/dp/B000BHNNO2

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462318/

http://www.911pressfortruth.com/

http://www.911docs.net/911_greatest_lie.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911:_In_Plane_Site

http://www.amazon.com/11-Great-Illusion-Illuminati-Choice/dp/B000FGJT0G

enough sources for you? i got more where they came from. now wheres yours?
Sep 11 2010 6:10AM
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BC.
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zeitgeist is not a credible source.
Sep 11 2010 6:27AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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hows that.
Sep 11 2010 6:31AM
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BC.
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name one of the theories that they state that hold merit and weight in an argument.
Sep 11 2010 6:34AM
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Bukkakeskitrip
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name one that doesn't.
Sep 11 2010 6:39AM
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BC.
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The explanation of the destabilization of the infrastructure of the towers. its been shown by explosion experts that the amount of work/explosives needed to completely drop the building would be completely visible both during and after the drop/dropping. the windows on 4-5 floors both below and above the explosion floor would of exploded out suddenly and it would of been completely obvious. the amount of work that would need to be done before hand would of taken a good amount of time, the steel infrastructure would need to be stripped away from the drywall etc so that it showed. It would of taken teams of men to do this which I assume would of been fairly obvious to anyone who works/frequents the place. But I mean they are probably in on it too. Right?
Sep 11 2010 6:46AM
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maximiliaan
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TODAY IS MY SISTERS BIRTHDAY!
Sep 11 2010 7:19AM
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