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Are the armada pipe cleaners for me?

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johnstonmatt
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Hey, Im 15 and my 09 k2 silencers are now to small for me, so i have decided to by a new pair and use the k2s for jib skis. So last week I began to research which ski fit me best, I decided it was between the 09 armada pipe cleaners or 10 line sir francis bacons, I watched reviews on both and learned that the stiffer and faster of the two (to my knowledge, the pcs) sememed good for me. And just when i thought i had made up my mind i watched one more review, and it said that the pipe cleaners were amazing in every domain, except rails. that was devistating because i hike rails 50%  of the day 10% groomers, 20% Jumps and 20 % trees, so my question is really

How do the pipe cleaners perform on rails?

Apr 7 2010 3:24PM
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Pahina22
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there is a gear talk forum for a reason
Apr 7 2010 3:31PM
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Mr_pretzel
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The armada pipe cleaners have a super fragile bace which is not good for rails
The SFB is more of a pow oriented ski and will have a good amount of rocker next year so cross that out.

For you i would suggest something more all mountain oriented:

On3p jeronimo
Line Chronic cryptonite
Armada ar6/ar7
K2 Extremes, Domain or revials
Apr 7 2010 3:44PM
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Ski.Ballet
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I've heard that too, but I think it's bullshit. I used my PC's for three seasons, hiking rails a ton and I only had one or two edge cracks. I absolutely loved those skis. You might consider the AR6 as well if you want a more durable base. I'm using those now and I love those too.
Apr 7 2010 3:49PM
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iFail
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You're an idiot, if you wax them even 1/3 of the days you ski they will stay perfect even with tons of rail use.  Any edges out there will be gone from tons of rail use before a decently kept Pipe Cleaner base.

And SFBs suck IMO, PCs are a great park ski(my favorite normal sidecut and camber one), but not the best all mtn. ski.  Jmos would be a good choice for park and all mtn. use.

Apr 7 2010 3:51PM
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ChadThundercock
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i think you would like the alpha 2's better than the pipe cleaners. the bases hold up better on rails, and they perform in backcountry alright.

Apr 7 2010 4:03PM
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p-oskier
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Well its true that race bases are more fragile than other park skis but hitting rocks with them would actually be a bigger issue for the bases that rails cause rails will make our skis slower underfoot but won't really damage them but rocks will actually damage them. So the race base will get holes from rocks more easily than normal park ski bases. Hope this helps
Apr 7 2010 6:58PM
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Dustin.
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Not true at all. 

That was sort of true for the first production years ago.  I've been hitting rails on mine for a year now, and I have gorgeous bases and 1 edge crack.  They are an awesome jump ski (I can hit the largest jumps in Freeway at 70+ feet even after a storm with the speedy bases) and since every ski in the world is good on rails, they are too.  They are MORE durable than the Line Afterbang in my experience, and that thing is marketed as a rail ski.
Apr 7 2010 11:32PM
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Dustin.
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No, that's not really true.

What you're trying to say is that a sintered race base is harder and stronger, but more brittle.  Therefore, if you run over a rock on your Pipecleaners (I have a few times now) then you probably won't have anything more than a small line in your bases.  But if you have a legit crash into a rock, it's more likely that a chunk would come out instead of a small indentation like in an extruded base.

All in all, rails aren't going to damage the bases.  They can take it better than most skis out there.
Apr 7 2010 11:36PM
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Caveman.
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LOLZ@ people saying pipe cleaner race bases are fragile. If you take care of your base and wax it every once in a while they hold up good and speed past the other bases on the hill. I have some 09 175 PCs I love those skis, for everything except powder these are the skis I use.
Apr 8 2010 12:47AM
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Chompo.
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If you keep the bases waxed on oc's they are possibly one of the strongest bases out there
Apr 8 2010 12:24PM
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johnstonmatt
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thanks everyone, think this confirmed the purchase, by the way, anyone deal with backcountry.com im gonna get the 09-10 pipecleaners and the 2008 look px12 jib from them so far, anything i should know?
Apr 8 2010 10:55PM
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Dustin.
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It's as legit as it gets.  They have a lifetime warranty, you could literally return those for full refund in 5 years.
Apr 9 2010 12:42AM
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iFail
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you wax your oxycontins? what are you use oxy as a base for?


Nahh I'm just wierd, but to be honest hitting jagged rocks on a race base takes out a bigger chunk than it would have on any good(moment, surface, etc.) base(sintered or extrude), because once the rock digs in it will just dragg and make a bigger gash. on rails they are perfect, along with pretty much anything in park and anything but truely jagged rocks. keep them waxed mostly for the speed..
Apr 9 2010 2:38AM
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