Justin Dorey signs with CoreUPT.com

I have not skied ON3P skis yet.  I would like to give them a shot.  A lot of their skis look like a lot of fun, in theory. I will not talk good nor bad about their company until I have had the opportunity to use their skis.

HOWEVER

In the case of OTHER bamboo fat skis that I have used, if the ski is over 140mm wide in the tip, bamboo is generally too torsionally soft to handle any power driven into the ski.  This causes the ski to collapse, which in turn causes the ski to either a. sink, b. release from edge, c. lose stability at speed, or d. all of the above.  

If, however the bamboo is reinforced with other wood, or metal plates the bamboo is generally stiff enough to charge with.

what if you wove the bamboo?

I ski the liberty helix 187. 105 mmm underfoot. So not quite as fat as you are saying but it works just fine and is pure bamboo

It is all about core profile and composite layup.  If it is not done right, any core material is going to ski poorly.  Anyone who knows the type of skis I like knows that I hate skis that don't have stability or power.  I take that mentality to every ski, even the park skis. 

Just curious - but what skis were you talking about?  I have a pair in my mind that based upon your description I suspect them to be....but I don't wanna call them out in case it was another pair.

coreUPT has awsome skis, why all the hate on the company?
They just want to make skis, isn't that a dream of every newschooler kid... Just wait and coreUPT will grow, you'll see... (srry for my english)

well there are already companies making skis without any of those new designs you mentioned...while also making new innovative designs at the same time....so stop avoiding my question, what is coreupt bringing to skiing?

they do sponsor a lot of events.

they have a stacked pro team

I am 99% sure you know what ski I am MOSTLY talking about.

^Wow so secretive

I skiied on3p last year and have nothing but good things to say, so if what you're saying is some sort of rule, then Scott's skis must be the exception, because I felt none of those problems under my feet. Plus they're even better now.

^^that's not doing it for me, none of those things even involve their skis, and any company with enough budget can throw money at events and riders

Why the fuck are there so many haters of CoreUPT? I dont understand it. Its getting to the point where its just annoying to me. So they used a dynastar model their first year. For fucks sake, ok, get over it. Every ski companies first year is probably not their best product. Remember the first year Armadas? They fell apart after a rail session.

I mean CoreUPT's team is fucking ill. Colby west, Tj Schiller, CANDIDE THOVEX, Gus Kenworthy to name a few and now Dorey. I have not tried their skis, but I imagine they are pretty good after the last couple years after working some bugs out. Skis are skis. I have not seen anyone post any pictures of COREupts skis falling apart or anything so....

I have not seen this much hate on a new ski company since Ninthward. Yea maybe they got some money backing them up, that is a good thing in my opinion. Probably easier to get warrantys that way.

Oh yea and last time I checked, CoreUPT actually prices their skis VERY WELL, especially with this economy. I dont know of any other good jib sticks that price as low as CoreUPTs. I dont know about you guys, but paying 4-600 bucks for jib skis is not going to happen for me

WEll I just remember that deal last year where they sold skis for like 250 bucks. hopefully they keep that up.

Yea CoreUPT will probably never make a shipment to the US so we dont have to pay international shipping...../sarcasm

dude seriously what the fuck is your deal? your "question" is retarded because it appears to be based on the continued (and continually incorrect) assumption that coreUPT are continuing to sell rebranded dynastars. how many times... this season's line is comprised entirely of coreUPT's own designs. if you knew anything about marketing you'd realise that their approach last season was an extremely cost effective way of getting their product on the market quickly.

how can you possibly continue to whine that coreUPT's skis suck and are bringing nothing new to the game when hardly anyone other than their pro team has skied them yet? they have a hugely experienced team of pros who will, i'm sure, have developped some awesome skis. for christ's sakes, if a big name pro like Lolo, who rides for a different company, is saying they are sick, don't you think he's likely to know a little better than you?

bringing nothing to skiing? bullshit. they are the title sponsor for the inaugural european x games this season, which in a world where attracting sponsor funds for big events has become increasingly difficult, is pretty fucking awesome. they sponsor a lot of movies- SVP's Madi in France, and Candide Kamera for example, both of which are fucking dope. the fact that they have a lot of cash is a good thing.

stand up, shake the sand from your vagina, and stop your ill informed and nonsensical whingeing.

If you'd have actually read my posts you might have understood my question. I know they are no longer dynastars. Okay, great, we've established that. That STILL leaves the question of what their skis actually are? Any new designs? Any progress? Anything that differentiates them from all the other ski brands that are already out there and well established? If there is something, I have yet to have heard about it, perhaps you could enlighten me. I understand that not many people have had the chance to ride their skis yet, but a new company has a requirement to promote their product in order to survive. Anybody with money can pay off enough pros to ride for them, that still tells me nothing about their actual product. Also, as I previously mentioned, those pros would kill it with basically any ski you gave them. Furthermore, now that they are under contract their opinions are biased and therefore hold less merit in my eyes.

I'll chime in on this...they're a huge supporter of Newschoolers.

have you ever skied the skis? just cause they're not innovative or original doesnt mean they're crappy, in fact i was always a fan of the dynastars...and new molds this year.

Well obviously they are doing something right because what other company comes in to the ski industry and with in their first year is one of the most talked about companies and has people on the podium at X-Games? I mean look at other companies, it takes 3-5 years to even get there name out there enough for people to realize they are there. I will use ON3P as an example, I never heard of them till approximately 2 and a half years ago, and even then I didn't know what it was cause all I saw was ON3P in a signature. CoreUPT is sponsoring events, sponsoring Newschoolers, they are straight up promoting new school skiing. Just because they were a little rough around the edges in their first year doesn't mean they will always "suck". People seem to forget that because they are so big already that they are only in their first year. Most ski companies aren't top of the line their first year. But for 150$ for a pair of skis can you really go wrong?

To be fair with ON3P, this is the first year ON3P has ever been a real company. Before that it was me making skis in a garage while I was a full-time premed student in college, and was funded completely by myself. I didn't exactly have a lot of money and time to promote skiing and change the industry. And the whole project was something that I wasn't even trying to heavily promote because, again, it was still just me making skis by myself. No accountant, lawyer, banker, etc, etc. It wasn't until we were moving towards making it a legitimate company that we even started anything similar, and that was around this time last year.

This industry is unique in that you can approach it in many different ways. Lots of different business plans can work and it is cool because it lets lots of different companies find functional niches in the market.

If you think ON3P wouldn't want to be out there sponsoring events, sponsoring NS (which we are), and promoting skiing, you would be wrong. But you can only do so much with what you have, and it all comes down to money. If I seriously had $50k to put back into skiing, we would do it. And hopefully in a few years, we will work hard enough to where we get to that point. But that will be through hard work and sales revenue, not start up capital. Scary thing is, too, $50k isn't really that much these days. Well, it is for us, but you would be surprised how quickly it can be gone.

It is great to see more companies promoting skiing, but if you think that the CoreUPT's team and ability to promote skiing is a product of sales revenue and not a huge amount of start up capital, you would be mistaken. It is all about how your business model plays out and what you want to do. They wanted to create a totally banger team, which is not cheap, and they were able to get the start up capital to do it. That is awesome and not at all easy to do these days (trust me, I spent almost a year working towards getting ON3P funded), so they must have had a great business plan and image for their company. And it seems by all accounts that it is working out. They have one of the best teams in skiing, without question.

But it is all possible, especailly in their first year, because they have the cash in the bank to support it. To put stuff in perspective, ON3P is working with start up capital that is around 1/60th of Armada's inital investment. I am guessing, based upon the cash going out the door with CoreUPT, they have a similar, sizeable start up investment.

The point of this isn't too shit on what they are doing or say what we are doing is better. Without companies like Armada, CoreUPT, etc, this industry would suck. Every skier and every company, including ON3P, needs those companies busting their ass to make sure ski movies, ski contests, and so on happen each year. And to have those companies in the control of real skiers is the best thing possible.

My point is, though, don't discount the efforts and accomplishments of the smaller companies who choose to take a different approach to business. I could have gotten ON3P a much large inital investment, adding at least a zero to our inital start up amount, but it was important to me that 1) my employees (who are given the chance to become part owners of ON3P if they wish to make this a career) and I maintain as much ownership of this as possible and 2) we work to prove our place in the indsutry. So we took a different approach, wanting to build up our brand based upon quality product and progressive shapes and material use. And I have no qualms saying that I think we have one of the most progressive, awesome ski lines in the industry in our first official year as a company.

CoreUPT took a different path in their first year.

And there are a lot of other small companies out there killing it and doing a lot for the industry, even if it isn't throwing premiers and hosting ski events.

I guess the final thing I want to say is support skiing. If a company gets you stoked, buy their stuff. Everyone in this industry works hard to be sucessful, and while there is a lot of variation in how we approach our jobs, everyone is in this because they love this sport. Hopefully people remember that.

^here here to that. I may be biased but Scott speaks truth.

CoreUPT supporting many events, and you should know that without CoreUPT, euro X Games probably never been released..

did they win any medals

Yeah that's true and I am very grateful for that!

i actually was under the impression that tis is happening

I thought that was for accidental damage that wouldn't be covered by a warrantee? I don't know about american Law but in the UK the sale of goods act covers us for 6 years after purchase anyway.

grass roots: it would be realistic to expect brands to support grass roots skiing, but in the case of a start-up brand, you would only expect it in the brand's "homeland", at least the first couple of years... so for moment, that would have been tahoe, on3p the pnw... coreUPT's homeland is tignes, france. i can tell you that, (it may be a miraculous coincidence, idk) since coreUPT started sponsorind the park that tignes shares with val d'isere, it has gone from being a poorly maintained disappointment to one of the best parks in europe in the space of 2 seasons or so. they have a bunch of comps there and a bunch of the best kids there are supported by coreUPT. that is grass roots support.

Bud, you have to take into consideration the fact that the European market is different than the US one.

Around here, 525$ for a pair of ski is pretty cheap! Most of the skis are between 650 to 800$. Take a pair or 2010 Armada Alpha1 is around 750$, AR6 are 690$ so compared to that CoreUPT seems like a nice deal don't you think?

The fact is, their biggest market is in Europe and by FAR, so they'll adapt to the european market.

Know your stuff before you bitch about a price. CoreUPT is cheap.

Says the Euro who's getting fucked in the butt by CoreUPT pricing. We get good, cheap skis here. You get raped..doesn't mean a mildly less retardedly expensive ski is cheap.

God you're ignorant...

You sure didn't Aced your economy class did you?

you sir have just proved beyond any reasonable doubt that you are a moron. kindly refrain from posting in this thread again.

Oh, I was in no way trying to bash your company, you were just one of the smaller well known companies, so I thought people would under stand more. But yes you are right and I would have to agree.

Oh I know man.  No worries at all.  I was just offering some perspective to the conversation.

you sir are correct!

how about another question: what did Line or Armada bring to skiing in their first year on the market?

All Line did was realize that skiboarding was quickly dying and just started making longer skiboards. All Armada did was sign the "who's who" of the ski industry and produce a subpar version of the then popular Rossignol Scratch.

CoreUPT very closely resembles Armada and I for one am very interested in what direction they take. Could really go a couple ways right now.

Ease up on the haterade kids

coreupt=euro-armada.

sorry but no. The reason this is not true that coreUPT is a few years late and coming into a well saturated market without any difference in product from what is out there. They throw their cash around like they own the joint and some people bark about it. Who can blame us?

schmuck needs some bills so that you have news to post first on and website improvements

europe's freeski market's not in the same place as ours. the freeski movement's been bigger here longer. there is a much better opening for a copmany like coreupt there than here. that and gueralin chicherit doesn't fuck around... so... they've gotta have something tricky going on.

You aced your english course?

response to pipe monkey

blindside
how does a company that makes only twins bring something to the sport that a company that makes twins and traditional skis?

Armada brought nothing new to the sport their first year other then a name.
Rossi already was making the same skis.

sure Armada went on to help lead the sport with some good innovative design ideas, but that did not really start to happen until a few years down the road.  Why are you not willing to give corUpt the same chance?

If you think about it, the two companies started out exactly the same way. Huge initial investment, stacked pro team, and making just the freeride/freestyle  skis of another company.

And the square tips on the moments don't really do anything other then make them stand out in the lift line. But thats not important right now.

this is ridiculous. if someone doesn't like a ski company then they don't like it...no need in arguing and sounding absurd on both ends. all you sound like idiots trying to defend a ski company you most likely have nothing to do with, and have limited knowledge of.

let people have their opinions...i for one think corupt is lame, nothing you guys tell me will change that.

and back on topic good for dorey! get that money.

^you're making the same mistake, look at the context. What coreupt is doing was fine ten years ago. That's the difference. Armada brought something new by becoming a company that was singularly devoted to freestyle skiing, that was more athlete oriented and that was in closer contact with their customers. They started a trend in freestyle skiing companies that makes our industry what it is today. Coreupt cannot do this because it is too late in the game for the approach they are taking.

i really wanna see what happens with Coreupt! stoked there making the industry bigger, and sick team

whatever anyone tells you... ATOMIC FACTORY makes VIRTUALLY EVERY SKI...