Growing gay communities.

i aggree the word belief was wrong...yes i understand you are born that way, and it is more of a lifestyle than a belief, and yes you should be able to disagree with it without being called a homophobe, just becasue you disagree with someone doesnt make you an intollerent,rasics, bigit, homophobe,

i appoligize that i am diverting from the topic but im somwhat supporting whoever wrote this, My college is at least 90% liberal as many educational institutions are, democrates pride them sleves on being open minded and excepting, HOWEVER  god for bid you are to interjected with something opposed to what they believe in.  They are the most excepting people untill you disagree with them.  I cant tell you how many arguments i got in becasue i supported Ron Paul instead of Obama I cant believe i was called a rascist in class (by a black woman) for not supporting obama, bi partisinship only leads to a tagled web of intolerance, im only bringing up political parties because someone previously wrote about "hating" liberals im not trying to start anything else but we need to not catigorize people into groups, gay straight, right wing, left, we need to look at people and judge them by there actions, yes runing around in briefs making out in public in the road at a gay pride parage is wrong but so is being inlolerant of people's lifestyles.

so you beleive that homosexuals choose to be that way?

why would someone choose to be descriminated against?

Let me tell you why you're wrong:

1) Among my 2 other brothers, I am the only gay one in the family. At all. Ever. I by no means had a normal childhood. Lived in California, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, and Italy until I was 13 years old, and, by then, I had already begun to feel different from other kids. I was never abused, had good friends - both male and female - in ever place I lived, and had never even heard or known of gay people until I took Sex Ed in highschool freshmen year. I had already known before i knew the word or it's connotations that I was not attracted to women. How is it possible to make a concious choice about something you've never heard of? And, if I was a product of my environment, why then are both my brothers - younger and older - straight? Maybe it was an unconcious desicion you might say, but then who are you to persecute me for things outside of my control?

2) We are not talking about race, we are talking about sexual orientations, and the fact that you would compare black to gay is comparing bananas to watermelons. It doesn't work. when you say things like "fully emerged in homosexuality and not anymore", you show your ignorance of the topic. You know that it is possible to deny your sexuality right? Psychologists just say that it is incredibly traumatizing and will lead to some heavy problems in the future. Also, by the kid you described, I'd say he wasn't even gay - just fucked up.

These two reasons are why you're a homophobe. You pick adn choose the arguments that best represent your side of the equation, you refuse to believe that gay people are actually gay, and are good people, and you wish to deny them their rights and their ability to love. That is homophobia at it's worst.

But it's not a lifestyle, and it's not a style of dress. It's a personal trait. You can't hate people for having black hair, or a certain color of eye. I'm sure you don't hate people for being black. Simply being black does not mean that you're a gangster and are intimidating. What you're afraid of is what that dress implies, and this is an excercise in prejudice. You'd never know who Jamal there on the corner is if you never approach him and get to know him. He may be the nicest person you'll ever know, but you're too busy judging him by what trends he follows.

You're certainly entitled to your opinions, but don't let those opinions affect your actions when judging individuals. Garunteed you've met gay people that you didn't even know were gay. Hell, if you met me on the street, you'd never guess, and Im sure we'd hang out/party whatever.

The point is to not let your preconceptions affect your relations. It's all about keeping an open mind and judging people for who they are, not what they wear.

dont wanna bitch here but u should just not say anything and just analyze what hes saying.

him and a few others are the only one making intelligent post. he knows what hes talking about, hes lived these arguments. jsut listen.

thanks dude im not trying to be ingorant im just trying to make parralles, between apperance and actions but we need to learn apparently we cant do that becasue it will make us a racist,

and fuck whoever called me a racist for saying talking about my subway analgee, i dought many of you fucking prepubestent teens on this sight have never even been to NYC and im not talking abut midotwn im talking fucking 125th street late at night, having to walk threw jamacia at 3 in the morning,

people chill out its sad to say but you are preceived by how you present your self, and i said that was wrong that what i was trying to get out, so it you misconstruded my words thats your own fault

i wanst on a high horse i was making a point, like i said before im not writing this like i write my thesis its short hand non proof read work and if that makes me ignorant so be it,

i wasnt just talking about a black man i was talking about how you are preceived by your actions and how you carry your self it doesnt have to be a black guy who are you gona trust more a black man in a suit or a white guy on the corner thuged out its obvious

I wrote in a previous post that it was a lifestyle so dont chastize me for saying its an action, ALL i am saying....

People are judged on the way they act- if that makes me a rasist, homophobe, bigit ill except that/

that's not being "socially conditioned" into being gay. that's having things done to you and you become confused and accept it as what happens normally.
im not trying to hate on your friend, i honestly hate to hear that people grow up like that.

oh and there is a gay gene by the way. scientifically proven that a gay brain and a straight brain are different. im not saying either one is better or worse, but there is something different between the two structures.

Our society teaches shame and sexual repression. We could take a lesson from animals and let go of the baseless guilt that we throw at each other and just get the hell over it and live our lives  in a way that makes us happy. 

"Just listen to your heart. Thats what I do." - Napoleon Dynamite 

I understand why there is a debate over this, but there seriously shouldn't be. A long time ago the church and state were almost synonymous, but ever since the church seperated from the state they have no say in state decisions (on paper). Obviously they still do, which really shouldn't be taking place. I'm not going to say "i dont care if gays can get married" because honestly, i do care, i want them to be able to get married. I know gay people, and contrary to popular belief, they aren't discusting sexual deviants who go around preying on straight people by groping them and ass raping them. The gay people i know are some the friendliest, most accepting, people i know. Who am I to say they shouldnt be able to be viewed as equal under the law, and arent entitled to happiness? Personally, I'm not a fan of homosexual PDA's, i'm not sure why, i'm just not. But that fact shouldn't matter, i'm just some guy, I have my preferences, and you have yours. I'm not going to force my preferences on anyone, and likewise, don't expect anyone to force theirs on me. Back on topic though, i liked what drew said about it being reasonable for the church to not allow gays to be married in their churches, but for the church to have any say in who is viewed as married under the law is rediculous. that makes alot of sense and its a shame more people can't view issues like this as logically, and factor less of their personal beliefs into the equation. I only have one question: Why would anyone feel it was a negative thing for homosexuals to be married under the law, and thus not allow them to do so? I've heard all the invald reasons, but i've never heard a valid, logical, reason that gays should not be allowed to be viewed as married under the law. That decision won't affect anyone besides the gay people who want to get married, so why not let them?

I'm going to leave you with this video, that might have been posted allready, but i really dont care, it basically sums up this debate

Oh god these are complicated questions to answer.

Did I ever "learn" I was gay? No. I learned the word that related what I was feeling to what it is considered to be. The feeling, or lackthereof, has always been there since as long as I cared to think about girls or anything in that way. I noticed first that everyone else was attracted to girls - you know: "Aw man she's so hot/we made out high fives/damn guuuurrrrrllll" all that shit. What bugged me for the longest time - around 12-13 was that I simply did not feel that way. I could not bring myself to think these girls were attractive, or even judge somebody's looks like that. Then I ended up pursuing one girl to prove to myself that I could do it, and then ---- letdown. We ended up making out, and I remember thinking "Well what the fuck?" Explicitly. I sure as hell could judge whether guys were good looking, but not girls. It was the wierdest feeling, cuz I'd never heard of gay having lived in foreign places my entire life. I never made the decision, and, if I did, I had no say in the choice. I was never abused, and I had a good life, I just don't know how I ended up this way, which leads me to believe that it has to be natural in some way, whether genetic, or hormonal or what, I don't know.

I just know I wasn't like other kids, and that's tough at that age.

It really is painful to have to hide. If you've never heard it before, this is why being out is so important. It is painful. To constantly have to lie, to be fake person, to do things you don't want to do. It sucks to the lowest degree. It begins to weigh on your heart a bit, and I know I turned into a very angry and depressed person because I could not show who I really was because of my parents. THankfully, we split, adn they are learning to understand.

Studies show that it's not genetic, and it's not environment. I simply don't know what to think. 

I do know that I wouldn't change it. Some of what I went through just trying to figure myself out has put me miles ahead of millions of kids. It's not my identity, but it is an instrumental part in shaping who I am - obviously, after all, is love not defining and sculpting for everyone? To realize what life is and how freeing and sublime it is to define your life and your loves on your own terms is the highest of feelings, and that's what my experience has taught me.

so my exposure to homosexuals is limited i live in a small town in NH, and i know that legalizing gay marriage will have zero effect on my life. I don't have a problem with homosexuality but if i was voting on something like prop 8 i would go with no just because i don't know the effects it could have. And because i believe marriage is between  man and women. I would be in favor of giving homosexuals all the same privileges that straight people receive but it is not marriage.

So you can call me a homophobe, you would be wrong i am not afraid of homosexuals, i am agents gay marriages.

lol. NO on 8 means ur for.

Also, why take and not change your life when you could give something so powerful and not have anything change?