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im getting the EPs this winter. ive also asked myself the same question. the 09 EPs used to be softer than the bents, allthough the hellbents are still pretty soft. but the EPs have a stronger rocker and from what ive heard, they handle the groomers better and are a fun allround ski, allthough groomers is not where you wanna take them. i also like the fact that they are 15% stiffer this year, means that wheelies wont be that of a problem any more. the base looks really awesome and the topsheet has a really chilled design aswell.
mybe also consider the JJs cuz they ahve a shorter radius, so quicker turns are possible, but i heard that they are hard to go straight with, cuz they allways initiate turns.
anyways, the EPs ski quite short, that may be to add. this is due to the rocker, but they turn realyy well and hold a good edge.
so ya, id say go for the EPs, thats what im doing too :)
EPs are a very fun ski. I live in PA, and I've skied them at my local resort a few times, and we only get like 125" of snow a season. They definitely take some getting used to, and they're by no means an everyday ski, but I've had a blast on mine. They are extremely soft though, which allows them to do some fun things that other skis can't, like wheelies and crazy butters. But the softness makes them tough to handle on jumps, never tried them on rails/boxes.
As far as other similar skis, I think pretty much everything else has been mentioned. The only other thing I can think of would be the Nordica Zero, which is a different concept, but maybe something worth looking into.
15%stiffer than 0 is still 0. Everyone I've talked to that has skied 09s and 10s have said they can't notice any difference at all between the two, they are still WAY softer than bents. Also the softer, more rockered ski is not going to do better than the ski with less rocker that is stiff underfoot, but good random guessing based on nothing. First time I skied bent I got off the lift and felt fine on them, no problems at all on groomers(even skied out) even at speed. And 15% stiffer does nothing to fix the 180 cliff drop face drag wheely landings you see in many of Pollards videos haha(nothing again him, he is sick, it's just hard to land perfectly centered switch in pow on these to avoid this).
and you told Schmies go try both, which I bet he has, and have you ever skied either?
Thread maker: heres is the comparo: EP soffft all over, bents stiff(er, still not that stiff) underfoot and soft(but not EP soft) in the tips and tails. EPs have a LARGER(not greater like this guy said..) rocker, but both have a large one. Bents will do better in the park and on groomers. With bents, the mount makes the ski. +6-7 and you have a ski that will charge POW too well for something that soft, and +10 a fatty softy(heavy) jib tool. With EPs the mount is already pretty forward if I remember right, something like -3 or 4? only skied them at reco. so can't compare. Don't mount bents anything behind +5 of reco. mount, and the 179s are about the length of EPs. EPs have taper and bents don't(very momentish tip I remember it being), which in pow can mean that EPs are more surfy than bents and bents more poppy. EPs are a bit lighter. If you ski fast in pow and like cliffs the bents may be good, and slower more surfy(mostly meaning less cliffs) EPs. Both are soft. I liked bents in park more. hope it helps.