Obama Booed at Notre Dame

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some of you need to get obamas dick out of your mouth and realize he's the head of our nation, not a rockstar or celebrity

exactly, i'm sick of all these goddamn obama shirts with his face on it.  and i'm sick of him being on all these tv shows, like letterman, and sc, talking about stuff completely unrelated to politics.  people need to learn to not treat him like the jonas brothers.

good, the man deserves to be booed.  hes digging our grave

wanna compare how much obama has done to how much bush did at this point in his presidency?

double post but its important

Did anybody actually watch the video? People wernt booing obama, they were booing the protesters who interrupted him.

You are saying Obama has sent our economy into a downward spiral? he, himself, has sent our economy into a downward spiral? i hope you didnt mean that, because the economy's failure started before obama, and there is no disputing that. And if the government didnt do anything about Chrysler, there would not be a chrysler anymore. you complain about 2% being closed? how would you feel about 100%? there is a reason.

your saying obamas goal is to ruin america? if he succeddes, then america fails? what the fuck kinda person are you? you think he wants to ruin america? you fuck conservatives are so fucking ignorant. who the fuck would intend on ruining a country?

And dont tell him to take responsibility for something he didnt start. thise whole economic failure and war in the middle east started with bush, so why would he take responsibilty?


and for the record, im not sucking obamas dick, i dont really know if what he is doing is the "right" thing to do, but i do support. stop saying all democrats love obama and wear shirts of him and all that shit. hell, we would be a lot better off with hillary clinton as president, that was our first mistake.

Chrysler:
100% closed without government involvement is better than what we have now.

Look, had government not have intervened, they would have gone through bankruptcy...what other failing companies do. They would have gone through major reconstruction within the company. They would make a stronger company. If this didnt even work, and it failed. Then other companies would step in. Clearly this company couldn't produce goods and compete with other companies, it fails, other companies replace them and the market receives better products. Oldsmobile went down years ago.

Ford didnt take bail out money. They are killin it now. I dont think its safe to assume chrysler would be no more without the government. But now, they are government controlled. And this shit is fucked up with the dealers, absolutely fucked up. I heard this story today.

This dealership has been in business for 90 years. It was profitable as well. They are one of the dealerships closed down. They were given no reason either. This isn't the only one either... anyways. They have to sign an agreement, which I dont know everything on the agreement, but its prob riddled with bs regulations and other things. anywys, if they sign the agreement, they have 8 or so months as a transition period to sell their remaining inventory. If they dont sign it, they basically cant sell their inventory that they buy from the car company. They cant get warentees on the cars. They cant participate in nationwide sales events.


His goal isn't to ruin america. He said in his innaguarion that he wants to remake america. This is what will make America fail. America has succeeded from its start because of individualism, limited government, and freedom, amoung other things. All 3 of these are being attacked by Obama constantly. Obama and many of the american people are blinded into thinking that the measures he is taking will help, but they will not. Thats why people want him to fail in passing these stimulus bills and healthcare. He's not intent on ruining us, but he just doesn't see that his way of trying to help the country will.

He should take responsibility for the money he spent! It doesn't matter whether Bush started it or not.

Hillary would be better.

The republicans failed with McCain. fucking moderate. too bad a bunch of liberals voted for mccain in NH because they knew he would be easier to beat than romney. If only ron paul were president now. that would be sick.

# of jobs now -# of jobs at the end of january 2009.

your smarter than that. i dont even need to say anything else. your smarter than that.

you realize chrysler was bought by Fiat and thats why this is all happening.. fiat owns most of chrysler now, the government owns 10% or something like that. where is the government involvement in that?

To imply that because Ford didnt take the bailout money they are succeeding is pretty ignorant. They didnt take the money because because they were succeeding. well perhaps not succeeding, but they were better off than before.

The dealership thing is quite simple, they cannot afford to keep all the dealerships open. Im quite sure they didnt just go eenie meanie minie moe and pick some, they had a system. And please dont start claiming the Democratic congress is closing Republican dealerships, because thats bullshit. so dont even bother.

Lack of government oversight is what got us into this mess. Period, no arguments. We allowed buisnesses to get too bloated, too big, to the point where they could not fail.

Hes not attacking individualism, hes attacking capatalism when it gets to the point where it is taking advantage of the american people. Not freedom.

I would love to know where you got this all seeing all knowing eye that allows you to see that hes destroying the country. He may be, he may not be, but to imply you already know whats going to happen assuredly is BS, the jury is still out.

shut the fuck up. the democrats did much worse when bush was president.

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yeah, this is true. but republicans criticized the left endlessly for being un-american/crossing the line. The roles have reversed completely. Neither party stands for anything.  

IF obama succeeds america will turn to a more socialist society than ever before.. And america isnt about socialism.. We as a country fought against communism for years. And now its pathetic we have to fight it in our country now.

And no he didnt start the economic crisis, bush didnt start it either.. i do think bush should not have started bailouts and screwing with the economy. Because i believe we should just let the economy fix itself.. And if it can then it crashed, and it was met to crash because we were obviously doing something wrong. But Obama needs to start taking some responsibility for a lot of things, he is the President and he needs to man up to his job.

And for the record im not a conservative...

whoa. first of all your now blurring socialism and communism, which are NOT the same thing. secondly if obama did everything he wanted to. absolutely everything, we still would be significantly less socialist than other countries that lack the socialist name, such as Canada.

I disagree with you on the economy, but hey, i suppose well see who is right and whos wrong there in the future. but obama needs to man up? i fail to see how he HASNT taken responsibility so far. hes doing 3000 things at once, he inherited a SHITLOAD of problems, i have yet to see him shirking his responsibilities.

it wasnt fucked up when people booed bush

The dealerships are PRIVATELY OWNED. THEY BUY THEIR CARS FROM THE CAR COMPANY. If they cant afford to keep all their dealerships then why are they taking away the ones that are profitable. None of the owners have gotten reasons why their dealerships were stopped. They might have had eenie meanie minie moe, because there certainly wasn't "lets take the top 50% of dealership" or "lets take the ones that are not profitable." Here's a story of 2 dealerships to put this in perspective on how fucked up this is. Theres a chrysler dealer on one side of the street and a plymouth on the other. Both were doing quite well. The Chrysler dealer had given the plymouth dealer a bunch of bids to buy his dealership. They were too low. Now, The company came in and decided to close the plymouth dealer and give everything to the chrysler guy. He got everything and the plymouth guy lost. The Chrysler guy was quoted on the situation explaining that it was shitty, but that "he won." The dealers have, well, Had to sign an agreement by today that had a bunch of BS in it, gag order and stuff. If they signed it they got a 8-10 month intermediary period to sell their inventory. If they didnt, they cant sell it. It sounds ridiculous, but this is what happened. I have heard this from the dealers themselves, many of them, not just one.

And now we have a second bailout of the auto industry with thousands of dollars of cars, or trading in cars under 18 miles/gallon. Im sure they can afford that to. I wonder what dealerships they are going to go to. Meanwhile GM has a new CEO that knows absolutely nothing about the automobile industry.


sub prime mortgages were the primary factor that crippled our financial system, not corporations. It was fannie mae and freddy mac and all the dems in congress insisted that everyone needed a home. the unions also screwed the auto companies. The health and pension plans suck out thousands and thousands of dollars out of each car. I dont understand your statement, "We allowed businesses to get too bloated, too big, to the point where they could not fail." Are you saying the could fail, or not fail. Cause they are def. failing, even with the bailout, which just delayed the inevitable. A free market allows them to fail. New companies come in, better products and prices are available in the market. it works.


He is attacking individualism.

Listen to the ASU speech. He went on and on to college graduates that trying to be successful in life is the old way and there needs to be a new age of non profit workers. He has illustrated the individual as someone who is selfish. Its all in his speech. theres more.

While on the Tonight Show he said this:

"We need young people instead of the, you know, a smart kid coming out of school, instead of wanting to be an investment banker, we need them to decide they want to be an engineer, want to be a scientist, they want to be a doctor or a teacher, and if we're rewarding those kinds of things that actually contribute to making things and -- and making people's lives better, that's going to put our economy on solid footing, we won't have this bubble and bust economy that we've gotten so caught up in for the last several years."
First off, who is he to tell people what to be. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT. Your parents, friends, they can offer advice. He doens't know you. He wants finance to be hated. He wants business to be hated. Hes saying dont be an investment banker. Hes saying investment bankers dont do anything that matters, they are nothing.

There is more of this sort of crap too.

He attacks capitalsim on all fronts. Lets review some things:
He says that we should eliminate risk taking in companies (meanwhile, he recieved a $500,000 advance by his book publisher, who is currently laying people off, to write a childrens book upon entering office. To me, 500,000 seems like a risk to me...plus I've never heard of a president signing a book deal while going into the office."

They are capping peoples pay now. And you might say this is limited to companies that are bailed out, but IT WILL NOT STOP THERE. I GUARAN-FUCKING-TEE YOU.


THE GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN OVER THE CAR COMPANIES. The Private sector of this country is being attacked.

Freedom

He sees the constitution as a constraint.

Health Care

stupid computer... it cut me off

health care
you actually believe that the private options will compete with the government...yes for a time, but they wont later. You are going to ration your health care and not have the freedom for your insurance and doctors, that is if any good ones are left(British doctors left the UK when the had socialized medicine, and it seems nobody is really motivated to go to school for so many years to get less than they deserve for income).

Obama is going to tax soda, sugary drinks. It was released, today, yesterday, hes going to tax sugar to raise money for this health care, so people will be healthier. They can take any freedom away on the basis of health care. They can tax you on anything. It can get to the point that theres a skiing tax, a limit, a ban, on skiing. No that is too hazardous to your health and will increase costs... (not saying it will happen, just an extreme example).

Your freedoms are limited everyday. California is going to say you cant buy black cars because its bad for global warming...no joke (this is kinda old news and not obama, just an example of the lefts stupidity).
peoples freedom to live the american dream has been taken away. their dealerships stripped from them. what's next.



WHAT DOES IT TAKE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO REALIZE THAT THESE THINGS ARE SIMPLY NOT RIGHT. its destructive to our country. These policies have failed. Health care will be even worse. It will be even harder to reverse, it will limited far more freedoms, and it will cost ungodly amounts of money.


I could go on forever about our limited freedoms. They are attacked all the time by this administation. This should not happen in this country. This is the USA. Not the USSA.

sorry for long posts.

NS politics scare me along with the verbal exchange in this thread

HAHAHAHA YEA funny stuff....i like it

Isnt it weird how republicans criticize Obama's auto bailout when Bush did the same thing?

We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.
Ayn Rand


My goal for the summer is to read Atlas Shurgged cover to cover. having made it 4 hours into the book, i can say its going to be a challenge. but one worth accomplishing...

its scary because you read the book and you swear you are reading the headlines of a newspaper today... government destroying the private sector.

There are always gonna be haters. You just gotta love em back.

go check out the two Zeitgeist films and the 1976 film "The Network"... good stuff all around.

i meant got so big that they couldnt fail in terms of the fact that if we allow them to fail now, it will be with catastrophic consequences.

hes trying to attack individualism.
the letterman quote. nowhere did he say you couldnt become an investment banker, but i think he has an interesting point. investment bankers love to take the huge risks, in order to "get rich quick" often with serious consequences. why encourage that sort of greed, often with a shitty outcome, when we could create more productive members of society.

hes saying investment bankers dont do anything that matters
hmm, please, show me where in that he said that.

and the rest of it became a paranoid rant that i dont feel like addressing now, because you are being unbelievable irrational

but more than 50% of the country did. so sack up and deal with it.

He didnt say you couldnt become an investment banker. yes, but hes trying to convince people not to do that. He said whats in the quote. Just watch the tonight show. I gave enough reference and more context to the quote. Not all investment bankers do that. Not all investment bankers are taking enormous risks everyday. Risks are part of capitalism. Sometimes they work, sometimes they done. We should have the freedom to fail. I dont want my president insinuating to people what they should do.

I guess saying, "he's saying investment bankers dont do anything that matters," was wrong. Implying was the right word.


I am not being irrational. I am tired of seeing the principles of this country eroded everyday.

yes but if your going to let just that dictate what you become, you have more important issues/ i think he had a good point. i think however, he would have been better saying, dont be a greedy and stupid risky investment banker, but hey, we all realize better things to say afterward.

the principles of this country. nowhere in the constitution does it say that corporations have a right to rape the common guy for the sake of profits.


on another note from further back into the thread, everything ive seen it appears that Chrysler and GM were the ones dictating the closed dealerships, not the govt. And really its their company, they can do what they want in that respect, i dont want the govt micromanaging in either direction. however im not sure i totally get it either, if the dealership is privately own.

word son! malcolm never insulted religion in any way. he just wants to write jokes in a book... yet people take huge offense because its an all mighty untouchable religion. the reaction mr ned flanders had was a typical reaction of taking offense to something which is not offensive. If I said..." hey I want to write jokes in a playboy mag and everyone will read them" no one would be offended. yet if you want to write a joke in the holy fucking bible, watch out man your going to get masacred.

ya i mean this is america