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Real-life example of obama's policies

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babujib
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My uncle sent me this dunno if its his actual memoir or not and i thought newschoolers would enjoy


Memo from New York City, 22 October 2008

Last night on my way to dinner I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed. Once inside the restaurant, my waiter had on a "Obama '08" button. Again I laughed, as he had given away his political preference - just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the sever and explained to him hat I was exploring the Obama "Wealth Redistribution" concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone whom I deemed more in need, meaning the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed off. So I went outside and gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the waiter inside as I had determined that he could use the money more than the waiter. The homeless guy was most grateful!

At the end of this rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized that the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was furious that I gave away the money he actually earned, even though the actual recipient needed the money more.

Seems like "spreading the wealth around" is easier to swallow in concept than in practical application...
Oct 26 2008 2:51PM
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Shpadoinkle
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For what? Having conservative views along with ax_murdurer, skiminnesota and ferrinski? I mean, I lean very far right, but c'mon.
Oct 26 2008 7:57PM
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pianoman
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listen to this guy
Oct 26 2008 7:58PM
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whattheshit
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have you ever realized that the people who advocate for free speech (protesters) are often the first ones to try to take it away from other people.  kind of hypocritical don't you think?

furthermore, the doctrine of the common liberal is to preach tolerance, meanwhile they are intolerant of anyones views that differs from theirs.

the truth hurts doesn't it?
Oct 26 2008 7:59PM
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iggyskier
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Conservative views are fine.  The issue is that what you often express just represent a scary look into the thought process of many people in this country...

like fearing Obama is a muslim, or not wanting to vote for him (in part...also due to policies) because he has a name that looks muslim...even though he is definitely a christian.

Or assuming that the majority of poor people are lazy.

That is what is so scary.  Not your conservative views.  Like abortion...I am pro choice, but I can totally understand being pro-life and can respect that being a personal choice as long as it does not affect my life.

Saying that Obama looks like Osama and that is a justification to be opposed to him is not ok.  It is fucking awful and represents a huge issue in this country (one that is also not limited to the far right, BTW)

So I ask again...
yes or no on the majority of poor people being lazy?
Oct 26 2008 8:01PM
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cashdebt
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if i hadn't gone skiing today, that would have been the best part of my day
Oct 26 2008 8:01PM
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babujib
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im with you dude, i dont think that the majority of lower class is lazy, and i think that they have the right to money for doing hard work, but there are those cases of people sitting on our tax money and doing nothing to try and get out of thier situation, i thikn maybe the government should screen the people theyre giving funds to or something.
Oct 26 2008 8:04PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Aight.

I apologize. I'm all wound up. Some of my posts have sarcasm in them, and that statement was said with sarcasm. A MAJORITY of poor people aren't lazy, but some are.

And a few posts up I stated what I believed should be done, so ya'll can go back and look.

Oct 26 2008 8:05PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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There are better people to ban haha.  That jeffersondavis character should go first.  Aspendukes hasn't even "posted skimpy pics yet" hahaha

Oct 26 2008 8:05PM
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iggyskier
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It is definitely true that there are poor people who are lazy and abuse the system...

just as there are rich people doing the same thing.

If you truly believe that every rich person worked honestly, legally, morally, and fairly for their money, you are out of your mind.

Many, the majority for sure, of people with lots of wealth worked hard, whether it be through schools, through the corporate ladder, through unique and creative innovations in their industry, and so on.

But there are people who make minimum wage working just as hard.  There is no question there is unfair levels of opportunity in this country, and while MANY people are able to come from nothing and be very successful, the path is much more difficult to come by.  And to suggest that the poor who are unable to make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year are lazy because of it is fucking pathetic.
Oct 26 2008 8:08PM
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Ryno
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Again, its not the poltical views that I dislike about you...you're making bad assumptions about me again...

It's your sense of rational for supporting those ideals that scares me and I'm tired of the arrogant and uneducated opinions you continue to pass off as 'intelligence' in the forums.

Hopefully thats concise enough for you to understand...
Oct 26 2008 8:09PM
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iggyskier
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alright.  at least I can settle for that, although I seriously just wanted a yes or no to my quote....

and I think the best way to state this is that PEOPLE are lazy.  Rich, poor, middle class, it is not a personal characteristic that has a financially driven demographic.  It is just easy to call poor people lazy because in our society wealth is often a judge of how hard someone works in their life, and while it is one gauge of this...it is not the only way to determine what defines laziness or success.

I think people definitely need to remember when having discussions like this, it is often hard to interject sarcasm, especially online.
Oct 26 2008 8:12PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Seconded.  Pappasteez says some craaaaazy shit sometimes.

As far as screening people so they only get what they deserve....it would take too much effort and money.
Oct 26 2008 8:13PM
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iggyskier
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there is no way she will get banned for political views.  While some mods generally would like to on a personal level, we are not normal members and recognize that she is a NS contributor just like any other members ....regardless of what she says as long as it remains within the rules of the site.
Oct 26 2008 8:14PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Everybody in this thread should just smoke a fat blunt and then continue discussing shit.
Oct 26 2008 8:16PM
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iggyskier
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i mean come on...if the mods were going to ban her it would have happened along time ago...=)
Oct 26 2008 8:16PM
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Ryno
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Can you imagine if that was enough for us to ban people...lol...
Oct 26 2008 8:18PM
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Ben.
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i, along with most of ns, have no problem with opinions, when they are rationally stated and based off of fact. however the vast majority of your postings lack that. which is disappointing because i think you have a pretty good head on your shoulders, you just dont always speak what your thinking very well.
Oct 26 2008 8:18PM
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Shpadoinkle
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So this is all because you are scared of me? I have the same views as Palin and many other fine politicians. I'm scared shitless of what Obama could do, but you don't see me aiming my rifle in his direction. Also, a lot of Liberals resort to calling Conservatives stupid. It's just a trait that you possess when you have nothing else to say. C'mon, Ryno. Welcome to Earth, and welcome to the US where we have freedom of speech and idea.
Oct 26 2008 8:19PM
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J.D.
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Sometimes, I could swear you're actually a really, really well-executed alias who's just here to fuck with us.
Oct 26 2008 8:21PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Both sides are guilty of saying people or stupid.  How come you like Palin?
Oct 26 2008 8:21PM
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Ben.
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what? please explain to me how she is a fine politician. and dont be sarcastic and condescending, im curious as to why you think that.
Oct 26 2008 8:23PM
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iggyskier
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Me as well.  And no bullshit, no name calling. 

I am completely serious here, because too often we get off the issues and these political discussions turn to shit.

I am truly interested in what you like/dislike about her politically...McCain as well if you like.
Oct 26 2008 8:24PM
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J.D.
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Allow me to clarify something and contradict my fellow green names in the process... there is no requirement that any banning be "justified". In fact about 2 weeks ago I started flipping a coin regarding Ryno. He's been very lucky so far. But one day soon...
Oct 26 2008 8:24PM
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iggyskier
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hahaha see my signature for further evidence
Oct 26 2008 8:27PM
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Shpadoinkle
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I am not good at putting my mind on paper. In fact I suck at it. I can talk faster and better than I can type.

I like Palin because she speaks her mind unlike many other Conservative/Republican politicians. I like what's on her mind.

Oct 26 2008 8:28PM
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PeteyG
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Bill Gates saw a need and fulfilled that. location and money didnt matter. if you can invent somethin that everyone could benefit from, you too can be as rich as him. he was also a harvard grad so you cant pull the "no college" excuse on us.

To the creator, that was a dick move considering 80 percent of the server's income comes out of tips. At least in Washington it is.

Oct 26 2008 8:29PM
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iggyskier
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Ok. 

Mind if I ask you a few questions on my mind that concerns me politically about her?
Oct 26 2008 8:30PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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That isn't true.  My girlfriend busses tables and makes more salary than tips mostly, and she works at a nice place that is $30-$50/plate.
Oct 26 2008 8:31PM
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J.D.
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Look I hate to be cynical (I use the phrase rhetorically as I in fact don't mind being cynical at all), but... why in God's name are you trying?
Oct 26 2008 8:32PM
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Shpadoinkle
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I don't like McCain. He doesn't excite me, and he leans to the left a lil bit.
Oct 26 2008 8:32PM
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Ben.
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bill gates never finished college....
Oct 26 2008 8:33PM
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iggyskier
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It is sunday, the broncos have a bye, and the new dexter and californication aren't on for a few hours...does that suffice??
Oct 26 2008 8:35PM
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Ben.
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Barack speaks his mind too. check the article i posted in my last thread. What do you like about what's on her mind?
Oct 26 2008 8:36PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Shoot it up, man! (No pun intended.)

Wait, you aren't goin' to ban me are you?

Oct 26 2008 8:36PM
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Ryno
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Wait, you're voting republican because you LIKE Palin?

Holy f....
Oct 26 2008 8:41PM
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skiminnesota
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hahaha o please. you NEVER get a yes or no answer out of anyone on NS... 

if it were that easy i could just ask loaded questions and make anything look good or bad. (well almost anything)

when did you stop beating your wife?  hahahaha
Oct 26 2008 8:41PM
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J.D.
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When she started doing what she was told. Now we have an... understanding.
Oct 26 2008 8:44PM
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skiminnesota
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republican talking points/

she has a proven track record of reform.

she takes on corruption in her own party.

she has a hard line position on fighting for the people.

she has given money back to the citizens of alaska when the state had a surplus.

she is not a Washington insider.

she motivates the base.

she is great at communicating with people.

she makes people feel as if she is talking to them individually.

she will be the hottest VP ever!

/ end republican talking points.

(ok i threw the last one in there ;)


Oct 26 2008 8:45PM
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Shpadoinkle
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It's a Conservative thing. A Liberal, such as yourself, can't see what potential is there. If McCain dies then...WOOT!

[/sarcasm]

Oct 26 2008 8:45PM
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skiminnesota
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shit. HAVE you stopped beating your wife.

haha there we go. yes or no. nothing else. hahahahah
Oct 26 2008 8:47PM
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iggyskier
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 haha haven't yet...so I think you are probably in the clear.

I will probably think of a few as I go, and to keep this simple, let's go one at a time for the sake of keeping it focused.

One of the biggest concerns on my mind about Sarah Palin is, in the event that McCain passed and she became president, OR even while McCain was president, how would she respond to some sort of international threat posed by a foreign nation such a Russia, China, Iran, etc.  She has stated that because of Alaska's proximity to Russia she has the foreign policy experience to deal with countries that could posse a threat to the US.  Russia and the United States have been developing a level of tension not really seen between the two countries since the cold war....

What about Sarah Palin's experience do you think truly justifies her claim that she has legitimate foreign policy experience and how do you believe her foreign policy experience makes her a more suitable elected official than Joe Biden or Barack Obama?

Oct 26 2008 8:49PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Did I miss a question?
Oct 26 2008 8:51PM
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iggyskier
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nope...unless it got deleted.

should be bottom of previous page.
Oct 26 2008 8:52PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Did she say that? Justin?
Oct 26 2008 8:52PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Nah, I think there was something about a "YES or NO"...
Oct 26 2008 8:54PM
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iggyskier
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Video coming. 
Oct 26 2008 8:54PM
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Bob_Gnarley
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hahaha thats good thinking babujib, im totally going to do that if I ever have a waiter that wears an obama pin. funny shit
Oct 26 2008 8:55PM
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