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09 motherships?

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nickwm21
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im an idiot and put it in the wrong forum. so dont reply to the other one

Anyone know anything about these skis? All the gear preview says is: "142-111-131, stiff as a board and tough as nails". I read in another thread that they were rockered. true?

Im guessing there just somewhere in between the prophet 100 and 130. a little stiffer

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Mar 26 2008 1:28PM
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hotdog.garbage
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i think there is a slight rocker in the tip. i tried them a few weeks ago and they were awesome. they are pretty stiff but still very managable.
Mar 26 2008 3:03PM
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yeahitsdave
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early rise like the ep, one of the stiffest skis ive ever flexed, but i think theyre gonna fucking rock. the graphic on it is beautiful in person, the wood is all stained and the grain on it looks super strong
Mar 27 2008 10:35AM
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nickwm21
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what sizes?
Mar 27 2008 5:33PM
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*WonderBread*
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uuhhmm i think it has sumwhat of a rocker but look up the sia video on the main pages in the video scroll bar section
Mar 27 2008 6:00PM
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nickwm21
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bump. more info?
Apr 5 2008 8:28PM
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P.J.S.
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Apr 6 2008 12:01AM
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powfoka
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early rise in the tip ti matrix and sidewall unlike the other prophets..

skis amasing super fun charging/pow ski
Apr 6 2008 1:10PM
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nickwm21
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awesome
Apr 6 2008 5:15PM
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ESAND
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What the hell is early rise? does that mean rocker?
May 29 2008 12:24PM
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leone
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the moships in action on the east coast

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May 29 2008 12:37PM
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Bamski
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"Stiff as a board and tough as nails"

This is going to be one bad ass ski.
May 29 2008 1:06PM
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ESAND
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Can somebody get a camber profile shot.

May 29 2008 1:14PM
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theres_ghosts
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thats a beautiful ski

art looks like its off a surfboard


to stiff though
May 30 2008 11:59PM
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cobra_commander
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impposible
May 31 2008 12:16AM
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ESAND
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bizumpiditybumperoozalmachachatikinana
Jun 9 2008 8:40PM
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yeahitsdave
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contact point is set back further on the ski. helps keep the tip from diving in powder.
Jun 9 2008 11:04PM
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ESAND
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So is it the same as rocker.
Jun 9 2008 11:38PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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no, it means the ski rises early.

the rise in a ski usually starts very late in the ski, where the contact of the ski to snow is... other wise known as the contact point... after that it rises to the tip. Early rise is when the ski has the contact point set farther back on the ski. Rocker on the other hand is a whole different animal all together.

Rocker is more dramatic and puts the contact point much farther back in the ski.

Armada ( and someone correct me if I am wrong) and line have been using early rise for a while so they can use a longer surface area and longer ski that feels as if it is shorter. Thus using less tip height to make up for float and maneuverability.

I could go on... but I might be totally wrong.

sounds like a stick for the super cruising on the large faced pitches. has the hippy vibe to it if you ask me... but thats just me.
Jun 10 2008 12:46AM
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feedbacker
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you are right, plus early rise skis still have camber, where rocker skis have no camber...

and the new motherships are awesome, they only come in 185 or 195.. it's definitely a big mountain charger ski..
Jun 10 2008 2:07AM
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Klick_2_klaim
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nuh uh, my rockers had camber... just not alot of it.
Jun 10 2008 1:58PM
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ESAND
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Rocked skis can have camber.

Reverse Camber skis do not.

I still dont understand the difference between early rise and rocker.
Jun 10 2008 2:11PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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Its semantics, theyre are technically one in the same.

lets just call early rise a very very small rocker.

and lets just call rocker a very advanced extreme and abrupt amount of early rise.
Jun 10 2008 3:24PM
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yeahitsdave
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sounds good to me
Jun 11 2008 1:58PM
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huge-go
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What about ep pros.  That is a lot of "early rise."  I think line just wanted to be different.
Jun 11 2008 6:16PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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ok seriously?
jesus christ.

from now on rocker is out.
Jun 11 2008 9:44PM
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ESAND
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so how much early rise or rocker do the moships have?
Jun 11 2008 9:49PM
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huge-go
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I was just saying that you guys are trying to classiy that shit, when they're the same thing.
Jun 11 2008 9:55PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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Actually, I was trying to generalize the whole thing.

Its all the same really, set up to do the same thing in varying degrees. no?


Jun 11 2008 10:27PM
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nickwm21
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not much
Jun 12 2008 12:50AM
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ESAND
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well fiddlesticks that is pewp
Jun 12 2008 2:46AM
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mike_d
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Actually you guys arent understanding early rise, its not the same thing as rocker.

For example, the hellbents have full ROCKER, meaning the ENTIRE ski is bent, or rockered, in the tip, underfoot, tail. If you set it on its side it would look like a mini rainbow shape.

With lines "early rise" there is no camber underfoot, its just flat(at least on EP pros, maybe there is even slight camber on the moships), and either the tip and tail, or just the tip, rise up like rocker, just not along the entire ski like spatulas, hellbents, etc.


Aug 20 2008 2:50PM
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ESAND
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you're wrong.
Aug 20 2008 6:39PM
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mike_d
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Really? Explain....
Aug 20 2008 7:21PM
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huge-go
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Hellbents have a flat spot underfoot, because the whole point of rocker is to still have a managable ski on hard snow.  What you described is reverse camber.
Aug 20 2008 7:25PM
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Reed.
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bingo.
Aug 20 2008 7:31PM
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mike_d
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Well if thats true then I guess I was wrong...I thought that the hellbents had full rocker, didnt know there was a flat spot under foot?

I was pretty sure that "rocker" and "reverse camber" were the same thing, hence lines whole point of coming up with "early rise" as opposed to full rocker/reverse camber. If a ski only goes up in the tip, or tail, wouldnt you say it has a "rockered tip" or "rockered tail", not just simply that its "rockered"?
Aug 20 2008 7:35PM
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Reed.
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^ i have no idea on the exact terminology, i just call every ski rockered thats bent the other way. But my hellbents definitely have a flat spot in the middle, even a tiny bit (1mm or so) of regular camber.
Aug 20 2008 7:40PM
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ESAND
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I'd say that the ski is rockered in the tip or has tip rocker or something

Reverse camber = Like a cambered ski only inverted. A continuous curve praxis spat etc
Rocker = a section of reverse camber
Aug 20 2008 8:43PM
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BenJAMIN4aWhil3
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Its all a marketing thing. In order to be able to say they have a different technology than other ski companies Line uses the term "early rise" as apposed to "rocker" Its a way to differentiate themselves from a sea of new rockered skis.

That being said, there are skis with varying amounts of rocker as well early rise. Site the EP pro with someone brought up. That has a large amount of early rise because it is a primarily powder ski, where as some of the other line skis with early rise have less of it.
Same goes for rockered skis. Some like the Hellbent have a great deal of rocker and some have much less. it depends on the intended use of the ski and its overall design.

What separates rocker/early rise from reverse camber is that in reverse camber is carried out through the entire ski, rocker/ early rise skis can either have a flat section under the foot with 0 camber or traditional camber underfoot, again depending on the design and intended use of the ski.

Hope that clears things up for everyone.



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