I also believe that the earth is just going through cycles, but I do believe that global climate change is also out there. But I believe that "global warming" wont effect us until 40-50 years from now. People are saying "o no we are 10 degrees over normal 1 day it must be global warming," I look at our record highs and it seems allot of them were in the early 1900's. Some winters will be bad some will be good you can’t just say we had a bad winter it has to be global warming... I mean all the media coverage on global warming just got popular in the past 2-3 years if even that, we need more time to give us accurate estimates of what is really happening.
Interesting, but I meant more on gaining popularity in the upcoming years. I mean prior to like 2001 I had no idea what global warming was and neither did my parents, just now with "an incontinent truth" and constant media attention has it gotten known by the general public. I am sure that there has been skepticism about global climate change for a long time as that article proves, but I meant the idea of "global warming" to the way we see it today has just now gotten popular. But maybe I lived under a rock prior to 2001 and not heard anything about it...
completely unbiased report on global warming and climate change if anyone actually cares to educate themselves instead of making claims based on what they heard from their friends or news station or whatever.
THIS IS A RANT. feel free to read the highlights at the end if you're that lazy
these threads piss me off so goddamn much its unreal. half of you guys don't even know what the real issues are, and just come in spouting off shit that you've heard without actually understanding what it means.
first to address COskibum (and others on the "its just cycles" bandwagon). so far you haven't defended your ideas with anything other than the point that you're entitled to have you're own beliefs. your statement that its just "natural cycles" is beyond shallow. yes, the earth goes through natural heating and cooling cycles. climatologists aren't idiots. the real concern is how FAST the upwards cycle is occurring right now. there are a number of issues associated with this, including the fact that its fucking up biodiversity in a huge way. there's other stuff too, but i'm not trying to write a book here. the main point is that there's a lot more to this than just cycles. oh, and ironXcross, the hole in the o-zone is almost completely unrelated to climate change. in fact, climate change is going to dictate how big or small the hole gets, not the other way around. get your facts straight.
now for the other side...klazo, are you serious in saying that climate change causes earthquakes? skyways is correct in saying that they (and tsunamis) are a result of plate tectonics. and while its likely that theres a connection with the hurricanes, very few scientists are willing to make a concrete conclusion on that one yet. its still way too early in the game.
now GLrunner, you say "While humans may partially be a cause of global warming, we don't have a huge impact. Get this, the Methane production from cow farts is much much worse than CO2." No one who knows anything thinks that CO2 is the lone cause of climate change. All of the numbers you see in major studies are reported as "equivalent CO2" values, meaning that they take the methane issue into account. but the most ridiculous thing about your post is that you try to differentiate agriculture (the cows) from human causes. humans are why animal agriculture exists, so to say that its the cows fault not ours is absurd. so before you claim that everyone is so woefully ignorant (although they might be), make sure you've actually read the shit that you're posting.
highlights for you lazy ones!
-it's more than just cycles, you have to consider how fast the change is happening in the greater perspective of geologic time
-earthquakes and tsunamis are NOT results of climate change
-its too early to tell if climate change is really whats driving the hurricane changes
-animal ag. is part of the greenhouse effect that humans are responsible for. its not the cows fault