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Watch Picture This then tell me you stil think Idea was cool

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telestar6
Posts: 2102 - Karma: 44
I borrowed the new Mack Dawg film Picture THis from a friend the other day and it got me thinking about the ski films I've seen this year.  Idea did have a few good shots but it pretty much looked like it was made by a bunch of junior high students.  You or I could have made that movie with a $20,000 budget.   
Picture this is just in a whole different league.  The cinematography is lightyears ahead of what anyone else is doing.  I just don't get how companies can go out and be proud of something that just isn't up to snuff and more importantly how people can get so stoked on it.  Ski movie companies just aren't pushing themselves like Mack Dawg.  Look at Yeah Dude.  A third of the movie was comp footage.  I hate seeing comp footage in movies.  It's so fucking lame.  Then there is MSP who has done that same fucking Whistler shoot with the huge jump and the sunset.  It was cool three years ago but it's been done now.  I want to see something new.  So that's my rant.  I'm not buying a ski movie this year in protest because I don't think any of them are worth it.
Nov 15 2007 3:35PM
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michael_bc
Posts: 1317 - Karma: 419
Way to go dude.

- I'd also like to see you make a film, any budget.
- Pep, Eric & Andy made one of the most spoken-about movies is skiing history, doesn't matter if you like it or not, they achieved something, and you didn't.
- The video section of your profile is empty.

Again, if you think it's so easy to make a movie that sends shockwaves through the skiing industry, then why don't you go ahead and show us all. In the meantime, stop being a useless bitch. Someone should paste that Tanner Hall n00b quote cuz it applies to you.
Nov 23 2007 4:34AM
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levistewart
Posts: 3360 - Karma: 111
i don't think picture this is even as good as thanks brain or cold world
Nov 23 2007 11:19AM
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Bentley@DOSMedia
Posts: 1410 - Karma: 1,827
Definitely like i love the idea that Think Thank goes for in creativity, but it just got over the top after awhile.
Like it got boring in my mind cuz it was just the same wierd things over and over and after watching a Think Thank movie three years in a row i couldnt get around to buy it.  I think Patchwork Patterns was better.
Plus totally completely 100% different film then Picture This.
Once again has anyone seen We're People Too!?  Better then Picture This, cuz it was just over done.
Nov 23 2007 1:41PM
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Mahre
Posts: 2507 - Karma: 490
HAHAHA...you just know it all don't you?

Snowmobiles we already owned?  I'm still paying for the sled that I got in February. 
Travel expenses = very cheap.  Alaska alone cost me 1300 in fuel.  Multiply that by 4, and add two plane tickets on top of it.  Not to mention numerous trips between Utah and the PNW.  And food is free....naturally.
Ask Iberg if he owns a 16mm camera...you just assume he does.  But don't bother asking about camera repairs, because nothing EVER goes wrong.  Yeah......
A heli trip for 4 people would consume most of your 20K, if not all of it.
Iberg, Weigand and Schwags all needed to be paid for their work.  I mean, they could film without pay, but then how would they pay bills without a real job, let alone eat?
Music costs money too.  Chris got paid to produce music, and Cali got paid to do vocals...
Sure Pollard did most of the editing, but who is Shane Nelson anyway?  Just some guy that offers his time and experience with video editing for free....not quite.
And lastly, how do you know what I do in the summer?  Sure I skied until mid August, but since then I've been building a house.  I guess construction isn't a job compared to say, customer services?
Oh, and you may know as much about filming as I do, for I never said you didn't.  I'm a skier, not a cinematographer.  You make assumptions, and voice your opinion, when you don't have any actual facts to back it except you didn't like the quality of the film, or just the film in general...that's fine, we don't expect you too....but don't claim you could do what we did unless you plan to actually do so.  Because for 20K I know you can't.

Nov 23 2007 6:23PM
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ISkiSwitch
Posts: 3157 - Karma: 22
Snowboard movies are definitily above ski movies. and I don't see why, I guess they are just more progressive. Picture This, and the last few years of Mack Dawg are amazing. There's also one I forgot the name to, with all the physics equations scribbled into it, that one is sick as well. But ski film producers should really learn from the snowboard movies, we could easily do it in the budget they have. They just use very creative angles, fantastic cameras, some nice stands and good riders, oh and good editors. It's not like skiing doesn't have enough backing behind it to pull it off, of course they do. And it's not locations either, Picture This has soo many creative urban shots, not just rails, there's wall rides, bomb drops, boarding down icy roads, ridiculous transfers on urban features, and just really creative fun ideas. I have watched and enjoyed more snowboard videos, than I have ski.
Nov 23 2007 7:56PM
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turbo_penguin
Posts: 282 - Karma: 15
one interesting point i would like to make is this.  if someone can make a movie for 2000 dollars that legitimately gets me excited for skiing and showcases some progressive riding and styles that i have not seen before, that's BETTER than someone doing the same thing for 20,000, and MUCH BETTER than someone doing the same thing for 2,000,000.  I would like to call that wasting money and resources.  I am not against big budget movies at all, but i think it's so awesome how much i love IDEA and how simple it was.  just goin out and filming what a year for these guys looks like.  It's sorta like how many of the games for SUPER NINTENDO are a lot more fun than the crazy graphics stuff for xbox 360 and whatnot.  Better graphics and more complicated games does not directly translate to better gameplay.  high level of stoke and enjoyment can come from low budget as well as high budget.
Nov 24 2007 12:52AM
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AptosFreeskier
Posts: 1240 - Karma: 17
Picture this sucked it was just a lot of fucking slo mo hvx 200 shots. that takes no creativity at all.
Nov 24 2007 1:02AM
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snowboardersrule
Posts: 1077 - Karma: 15
no, i think that was the problem with idea. even though the skiing was sick. it felt like they borrowed too much from snowboarding, intentionally or not. 
Nov 24 2007 1:15AM
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XtRemE11
Posts: 5680 - Karma: 269
i thought the filming and the quality was pretty damn amazing,  id really like to see you shoot with film  and produce anything even close to as good as that.
Nov 24 2007 2:43AM
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edmonton_skier
Posts: 3210 - Karma: 110
teleski6   got fucking owned
Nov 24 2007 2:36PM
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powsurfer
Posts: 253 - Karma: 10

You're entitled to you're opinion thread creator, but Idea is a sick movie. Are you actually a skier, do you even like skiing? Picture This is dope, but that's like saying try an apple, and tell me you still like oranges. Um yeah I like both, but don't compare them. In my opinion, I hope you're hands get chewed off by wolverines while you're sleeping so you can't type anymore.

Nov 24 2007 2:51PM
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liquidsword
Posts: 566 - Karma: 10
one word BUDGET. Eric Iberg probably had to sell his snowmobile and live in his basement to pay for CAlI P's music. Snowboarding has a lot more money in it...

besides you tele... tele = people who were pussies on skis
Nov 24 2007 3:56PM
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BrownEyeIn
Posts: 878 - Karma: 456
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Nov 25 2007 2:50PM
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HermioneGranger
Posts: 1933 - Karma: 101
Shit i need to save up a little more then i can buy idea that movie changed my point of view and its one of the few movies that really gets me stoked for skiing like there were so many sick movies this season realtime, believe, enjoy, Etc. but non of them really got me stoked to ski like idea did and im feeling kind of unstoked right now being there is a lack of snow
Nov 25 2007 3:19PM
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2bi40s
Posts: 275 - Karma: 15
cause you know, dane cook is THAT funny...


fucking bitch
Nov 25 2007 3:27PM
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SirFryanator
Posts: 11149 - Karma: 1,415
ANDY LAYING DOWN THE LAW.
thread creator:
Idea definitely did not look like it could have been made by a junior high student. No way. Maybe the logo of the movie, but that's about it. The parts I've seen have been professional. but I have yet to see the entire thing, so I guess I can't judge. It's nothing like Mack Dawg at all, since he has a ton of cash to spend while Iberg and his crew probably didn't have 1/4 that much. So quit your whining and be stoked that skiing has put out a chill, fun movie that has amazing shots in it.
Nov 25 2007 4:06PM
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solitaryman
Posts: 3578 - Karma: 123
pat milbery took me to the hospital, but i think picture this overuses gliding cams and shit i'd rather see 75% still and like 25% fancy.
Nov 25 2007 4:42PM
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dweezileast
Posts: 9661 - Karma: 276
patchwork patterns son... movie's crazy good
Dec 2 2007 12:12PM
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SlickRick.
Posts: 4329 - Karma: 300
way to own yourself
Dec 2 2007 12:16PM
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sicmainefilms
Posts: 167 - Karma: 10
Picture this is disgusting.. however it has high gimmick factor = Oakley RED camera.

I could shoot a hamster swimming in a fishtank and it woud look crazy with that camera.

Mucho respect for Idea holding so much water without the gimmick.
Dec 2 2007 1:54PM
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lt.milo
Posts: 1582 - Karma: 138
Andy says it right.  I can't get over the fact that people here are even criticizing Idea.  The movie is perfect.  Those guys didn't have the best conditions to work with but they made one of the sickest ski movies ever.  People assume way to much when it comes to how to produce a movie.
Dec 2 2007 3:26PM
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cobra_commander
Posts: 16909 - Karma: 4,682
do you have any idea on how much it costs to develop 16mm? I really doubt it. and some people like the look of 16mm more then the fake feel of digital. 
when was the last time you looked at the price of gas?
or the distance from WA/OR to Alaska?
or the cost of heli skiing?
or the amount of down time that goes into getting a couple days of heli time?
whats a real job?

Dec 2 2007 3:40PM
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telestar6
Posts: 2102 - Karma: 44
I guess I just expect a lot from movies these days with all the cool shit they can do and I just didn't feel Idea was on par with what is possible. 
Dec 2 2007 3:40PM
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lt.milo
Posts: 1582 - Karma: 138
maybe you should have said that instead of your last post.
and i still disagree, the 16 mm is sick and the whole vibe is great along with the best three skiers you could ask for.
Dec 2 2007 4:07PM
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Krongos
Posts: 5214 - Karma: 47
way to put him in his place.  that kid is insane and idea was badass
Dec 2 2007 4:13PM
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tha_CF
Posts: 1696 - Karma: 328
mac dawgs filming and cinematography is amazing, and as a filmmaker its very inspiring to see, but then from a rider stand point most people hated the fact that it was wayyy over done and not focused on the riding.

also note, just to be in a mac dawg movie, your sponsor needs to shell out 27,000$ and that doesnt even include travel.so figure picture this has 16 athletes in it, 16x27000 is about 430,000 dollars budget, and then more that they recieve for travel expenses. No one in skiing has close to that as far as i know.

and if you like reallly good cinematography, and lots of riding check out isenseven
Dec 2 2007 4:22PM
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wdbo.
Posts: 4935 - Karma: 173
i don't understand why you are comparing the two. why can't you just say that you liked picture this a lot you're just bashing on idea for the sake of contention.
Dec 2 2007 4:57PM
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Yauch
Posts: 1685 - Karma: 62
watch realtime and dont worry about this years shitty movies
Dec 2 2007 5:39PM
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AhrenStein
Posts: 1941 - Karma: 177
WRONG they didnt use an RED camera.  No film company can afford them dude
Dec 2 2007 5:42PM
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faux_real
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i agree, but that one session on the Mt. Hood step-down was so sick. i was left with the impression that given good weather and a bit of luck, the whole film would have been like that. ski movies do seem to be lagging. I thought Level 1 would break away from the pack, but they can't seem to find big enough backcountry features (although i haven't seen Realtime). maybe this year's films were weak because of the storm season, though.
Dec 2 2007 7:11PM
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