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So what are your guy's opinion of this quiver??

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Carrphotography
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Would love to entertain some opinions.  
I'm 140lbs, 5'11 and ski Alta, Snowbird, and Brighton.  Also plan on doing a lot of Utah backcountry this year, and stuff around the rest of the western US.

I usually ski hard (east coast race background), usually ski fast and charge,  I found that it's still possible to ski fast on sloppy skis, just gotta stay on them. but towards the end of last season started having more fun slowing things up and filming. 

Got hooked on the Lizzies last year.  Took out my JP Juliens for a pow day last year, put them away after two hours, got back on the lizzies and had way more fun.  

So here's what we got:
1)  172 Elizabeths - my all mountain/park ski.  Also fun to put my securifix and skins on and do some light touring with.

2)  182 Sir Francis Bacon.  - Stiffer than the Elizabeth, longer, much more stable going fast.  Thinking about putting AT bindings on these.  Opinions here?  They are kinda heavy but...  IDK They are kinda in the middle and not sure if I need them or not.  I like the fact that they are stiffer.  

3)  EP Pros.  ON THE WAY!  Definately going to be my powder day ski. Tossed around the idea of throwing Duke's on them, but I think they'd really be too heavy to tour on. Always would have the securifix option if I just needed to get to one place. 

4)  188 JP/Juliens.  Hardly skied these last season after getting Bacons/lizzies.  They are very light though, so they either have to get mounted with AT or they gotta be sold!  

...basically I can't decide on whether to sell the Bacons or the JP Juliens. Whichever ones I keep I'll mount with AT bindings.  Part of me thinks keeping the bacons would make for one nice ridiculous 3 ski quiver, but they'd be a bit heavier than the JP's for touring on.  Decision making blows.   

I think I can guess what 99% of the newschoolers community is going to tell me to sell.   haha











Aug 29 2007 10:29PM
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SirFryanator
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seems like they're all pretty fast, might want to get a skinnier ski to do some carving or all mountain skiing. You also want a stiff ski and long ski for some charging. All of those are good powder skis...but not really stiff enough to do much else but groomers, powder, and park. At least from what I've seen.
the JJs are good for charging, but a good stiff ski would be better.
Aug 29 2007 10:38PM
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k2pow
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ill take the jp's off your hands..
Aug 29 2007 10:38PM
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Carrphotography
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Yea I like the MSP for that purpose, but eh, maybe down the line.  I can't see a 4 ski quiver right now.  
Aug 29 2007 10:42PM
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lineskier2334
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ill be part of the 99% and take the bacons from you
Aug 29 2007 10:43PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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doesnt a quiver have to be more then 1 type of ski? id sell the bacons and use the jp's.
Aug 29 2007 11:05PM
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kristie
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I'd sell them all and get Live Lifes and Live Life 2s.
Aug 30 2007 12:09AM
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Carrphotography
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^haha ok Kristie, are you going to get me the hookup?
Aug 30 2007 12:11AM
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Literature
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My guys say:

The EP pro should be a huge amount of fun, and you seem to like the Lizzies. I would sell the JJs and the Bacons and buy something stiffer, ie Legend Pro or B100 or ANT, but something built to charge gnar lines with a stiffer flex.
Aug 30 2007 12:24AM
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TheMoostafian
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i dont knwo very much about any of those skis

but i'd say keep the JP vs juliens because everything else is really wide isnt it?

or am i wrong...
Aug 30 2007 12:34AM
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Bluehouse
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That's quite the quiver. Hopefully this winter will only allow you to ride the EP Pros. Anything has got to be better than last year.
Aug 30 2007 1:33AM
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Carrphotography
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Haha i hear ya man..  I have all powder skis because that's all I wanna ski anyway.  hopefully rocking big skis all the time will tell the snow gods something.  BTW, props on the new company, looks sick and Dave is a good guy.  

Aug 30 2007 1:39AM
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Bluehouse
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We'll have to set up a time to shoot this winter.
Aug 30 2007 1:43AM
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Carrphotography
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OK I may be adding a pair of Watch Life's to the decision process...  I'm soooo undecisive.  
Aug 30 2007 2:46AM
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caylorswift
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i'd say sell the bacons, keep the JPs for touring cuz they are so light. maybe put some naxo's on em, or if you want to keep them as light as possible, some dynafits. but you'd have to buy new boots for the dynafits.

for a charging ski, i'd recommend the ANTs. i skied them for a week last season, and they were friggin sick. super stiff, super fast, and super bomber. they are like rockets for your feet that blast through anything.
Aug 30 2007 4:46AM
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Ryanvdonk
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you're quiver is very one dimentional. get some Legend Pros or something for charging to replace the bacon, and i hate to say it but, get a skinnier park/everyday ski. though i do think the JPs would make a sick touring ski cause of the weight.
Aug 30 2007 6:00AM
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JGP.
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i dont think the bacons are that heavy, such a fun ski. tough choice, ive heard the jj arnt that fun, more of a traditional shape, not amazing switch, so it just depeneds on your priorities...
Aug 30 2007 10:29AM
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4ReeL_
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all of thoes are way way way to fat for the fucking eastcoast......seriously how many days do you have where the snow is deeper than your boot?
Aug 30 2007 11:20AM
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Carrphotography
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Did you not read the part where I live in Salt Lake?
Aug 30 2007 11:24AM
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Carrphotography
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You guys are right in saying I need a stiffer skinnier ski.  I'm thinking Surface Watch Life's will suffice for groomer, hard snow days.  I used to have ANT's and agree that they are a great charging ski, but I sold them because I don't want to be going mach 40 all the time, I prefer a more "playful" ski and in powder I prefer softer skis.  It's all preference I guess.  I had no problem last year keeping up with my friends on powder days who were skiing stiff charging skis while I was on my bacons. My bacons are fun all over, ditto for the elizabeths, but I only like the JP's in powder, which would make them good for touring.  


Aug 30 2007 11:31AM
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SkierX
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Your quiver is a bunch of skis all made for the same purpose. If you're going to be rokcing multiple skis, might as well have a wide variety.
Aug 30 2007 12:11PM
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T-KR3W
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pow ski

pow ski

pow ski

do u see where im going with this... u need some park skis jea
Aug 30 2007 12:34PM
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SirFryanator
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well a quiver implies he has a pair of skis for every condition...
one for groomers and just going around the mountain, one for powder/BC/touring, one for park.
Aug 30 2007 12:45PM
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SirFryanator
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well, a FULL quiver would include a carving ski, GS ski, slalom ski, etc...but who has the money?
So you buy the skis that fit your niches. His are powder, BC, groomers, a little park, and touring. He also wants a groomer ski and such. So a stiffer, skinnier ski would work for both groomer and park.
Aug 30 2007 12:56PM
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Carrphotography
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I don't ski much park and prefer fatter skis...  so there 
Aug 30 2007 4:47PM
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lalalalaura
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If you sell the Jps, you can tell people that you were sponsored by Line once upon a time. Or were like, Pollard's poker-buddy.
Aug 30 2007 4:58PM
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mtsteeze406
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i have park skis and a ne wpair of hell bents. i enjoy turning in the soft stuff, but i also like charging it. i have been debating how well thats going to go on these hellbents....any thoughts?
Aug 30 2007 5:00PM
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charmander
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good skiers can still charge on jp's
Aug 30 2007 5:20PM
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wrenegade
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I would see the Bacons and keep the JPs for touring. Those things are so light and the lack of sidecut would complement touring well. I wish I could have afforded to hold on to mine for touring.
Aug 30 2007 5:38PM
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Elijah.
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Why do you have 3 pairs of almost the same ski?
Aug 30 2007 6:01PM
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JGP.
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its not going to do. hellbents are possibly the worst choice for charging. thay are for fun, surfy turns in deep pow, and going bg and landing switch. not for charging.
Aug 30 2007 7:17PM
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Scoszko
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if you have enough money to buy all those damn skis, i think you could dish out a little more for a cheap park ski
Aug 30 2007 7:21PM
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Pirruccio
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why so many skis?

thats insane
Aug 30 2007 9:58PM
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MarkieR
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i'm going to second many sentiments i've read above...  although the lizzie/sfb/ep pro are marginally different, i'd step outside the box a bit.  keep the lizzie for your park/light pow ski, dump the sfb, and keep the ep pro.  from here, you could either keep the jj for touring, or sell it as well and jump on something like a vct 189, ehp 190, or possibly an ant for a big charger ski.  with my former suggestion, you'd make your quiver as diverse as possible.  with my latter suggestion, you'd expand your quiver and include a ski that would help you progress in a more serious arena, skiing really really fast in the bc. 
Aug 30 2007 10:09PM
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fillup
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lizzie isnt so much a pow ski
pollard uses it for park
Aug 30 2007 10:27PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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fuck what pollard uses! pollard could ride a fucken rounded 2x4 in the park and you'd be all like, you cant build a house with that! its for fuckin park!


fuck for deciding a skis riding conditions based on someone riding them.


sorry for that but all this stuff about pollard and fujas has been really pissing me off.
Aug 30 2007 10:51PM
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WesleySnipes
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Pollard designed the Elizabeth as a park ski that can be taken into the pow hence the symetrical sidecut.

Along with the watch lifes I'd look at the Scott p4's I had the p3's as well but I skied the p4's everywhere they carve a nice trench and charge hard, they are a fun jib ski as well once you break them in. also are a fair bit cheaper than all the other skis your looking at.
Aug 31 2007 12:13AM
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AKFREERIDE
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the thought of touring on the bacons or EPs sickens me. and im telling you this in all honesty. heres several reasons.

A) those things are so fat, skinning with those, your going to be going over your tips and tails so much and chipping them, and your going to be walking like a cowboy up a hill. think about it. its going to be like taking a shit while walking. and on top of your legs being spread wide, your butt and legs are already going to be burning cus your skinning through pow. bad idea for the BC unless you have a heli or sled or some means of transportation besides your legs. my pistols are wide enough, and i hook my tips every once in awhile.

B) finding skins to work well for those is gonna be costy. not hugely, but like 150. granted, you dont have to cut them to fit, but its nice to have them cover your underfoot. and with those skis, thats pushing 130ish.

C) those thinsg are so turny and symetrical your going to haev a hell of a time going straight. your going to spend alot of energy keeping them in a straight line and from not crossing while skinning. straight skis track straighter, curvy skis not so much.

mainly just skinning with super fat skis is going to be the worlds biggest bitch. correct me if im wrong someone whos done it, but its my opinion that it would not be fun. and i hate mounting skis more than once or twice, so i hope you find it helpful.

the JPs seem to be more of a touring ski of this bunch. much MUUUCH straighter, and oh my god, straight skis are heaven to tour in compared to shaply skis.
Aug 31 2007 1:26AM
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skibum193
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sell me your bacons!!! i need some...
Aug 31 2007 2:27AM
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titsLOL
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honestly touring on bacons doesn't seem ideal and with ep pros you'd have a lot of overlap goin on... I'd sell the bacons. and I'm not sayin that cuz I wanna buy them since I already have surface live lifes witch are basically identical dimensions.
Aug 31 2007 3:41AM
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dirty_dreb
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YOUR QUIVER FUCKING SUCKS, KILL YOURSELF.
Aug 31 2007 3:55AM
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Carrphotography
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Thanks for the help guys.  The bacons are for sale!  Possibly the JP's too, not sure.  
Sep 1 2007 4:22PM
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Carrphotography
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Here's an update:

1)  181 Surface Watch Life's.

2)  Elizabeths 

3)  EP Pros.  W/Dukes? 

Both my Bacons and the JP Juliens are for sale.  If I can't sell the JP Juliens, I'll probably keep them, eventually make them AT.  But for now, I think trekkers on either the elizabeths or EP Pros will suffice for the touring that I do, but I am considering Dukes for the EP pros.  
Sep 12 2007 6:41PM
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powfoka
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charlie those were my lizzies i blessed them before the sale told you you would love them!

i would keep the lizies and the watch lifes and the ep pros sell the bacons and jjs and buy a true charging ski

this year ill have
watch lifes
live life
live life 2
ep pros

and possibly a gotoma or b squad
Sep 12 2007 8:36PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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bad idea. if i ever saw someone touring on ep pros or elizabeths id laugh in there face.
Sep 12 2007 9:15PM
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Carrphotography
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Yea and last year I was touring using securifix with my lizzies in deep powder days, and oooh soo much fun!  
Sep 12 2007 10:10PM
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J.D.
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If you think Bacons are stiff and heavy, you're some sort of chicken-man. No, I mean that literally. You must have weird skinny chicken legs. But you tour, so I assume you ski a fair amount, so I don`t understand how you haven`t built muscle.

Anyway, Iggyskier and vicious have even more quiver cred than me, so get their opinion too. I offer that up front as a disclaimer.

Overally, your quiver is more noodly than a plate of spaghetti. The goal of a quiver, in my view (this is a point of quiver philosophy that might be debated), is to have a ski suitable for every occasion. In other words, various stiffnesses, widths, weights lengths and sidecut types. That said, everyone will tailor their quiver to their preferred ski, their method of skiing, and the terrain they ski most. I assume from your posts that you ski a fair amount of fresh, enjoy the softer side of life, and don`t do much park riding (but we`ll allow for my being wrong on the last point anyway by keeping the lizzies, which as it turns out are fun everywhere, not just in freshies).

So here`s the drill.

Keep the lizzies as a messing around / park ski. You like them, you have fun on them, no reason to ditch them.

I hate to say this since I adore the concept of both skis: drop the Bacons and probably the JPs. I say probably, because you have yet to ski your new EPs. So keep the JPs around until you've skiied 5 days on them in decent to deep snow, are somewhat used to them, and can tell if you love them or not. That should be enough time to get used to them. I'm fairly confident you'll be a fan judging from your preferences. But with such a revolutionary design it's best to be sure. If you're not aching for cash you could mount the JPs as an AT setup as well, they're very well suited to that. You could also AT mount your EPs, but you'll want to do more than just tour on them, I'm betting, so keep that in mind.

So at this point we're assuming that you have Elizabeths and Pollards. What's missing? Well, an all mountain ski is missing, in the 180cmish range, preferably moderately stiff. Suggestions? Last year's Seth 179 or Karma 185 would be good choices that can be picked up early season. Hell, I'll sell you a pair of Chronic Wides if you're interested. As with all classifications, the possibilities here are diverse. I'd lean towards the Karma, were I in your place, but I'm me and you're not me. Someone here can give you a list of all skis in the 180-185 range that are mid-stiff and 90-100mm at the waist, I don't have the time to brainstorm. But in my estimation this type of ski is the staple of a good quiver for anyone who does more than shred park, so not having it puts a hole in what you're doing.

You could also benefit from a stiff, 100mm+ charging stick. ANTs, Mojo105s, EHPs or Gotamas for example. I even have some ANTs for sale, coincidentally. Again there are a wealth of choices. You might not like this kind of ski, judging from what you've bought, but it certainly would open up new avenues to you in terms of your big mountain stuff.
Sep 12 2007 10:33PM
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J.D.
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So if you're keeping track, I'm suggesting you go from this:
1. Elizabeth
2. JP vs. Julien
3. Sir Francis Bacon
4. Eric Pollard Pro

to this.

1. Elizabeth
2. Volkl Karma or equivalent
3. Armada ANT or equivalent
4. Eric Pollard Pro

Much more well rounded.
Sep 12 2007 10:35PM
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Carrphotography
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^I appreciate your input.  I never said the bacons were stiff, I have definately found the speed limit on them numerous times, but that never bothered me.  They simply don't fit.  I agree with what you have said about a quiver, and I know mine isn't very spread out.  Last season I had ANT's, JP Juliens, 180 MSP's, and Elizabeths at the beginning.  Was never a huge fan of the ANT's, I mean being able to point them through anything and go mach 40 through crud was definately cool, but I wanted something more playful, money was an issue, so away went the ANT.  I ended only skiing the Elizabeths most of the time, so I bought Bacons.  JP's sat most of the time.  But that was mainly because of the slow bases.  Anyway, like I posted before, I'm buying 181 Watch Life's, as a park/all mountain/groomer day ski.  They'd classify as med. stiff I'd say.  Elizabeths, and then the EP Pro.  I'll stick with those 3, then add a bigger stiffer ski IF I find the funds later and desire for one.  If I don't get any descent offers for the JPs, I'll hold onto them.  Then I feel I'd have a pretty nice quiver.  
Sep 12 2007 10:44PM
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J.D.
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It's still very one sided but you see how adding a mid stiff ski completely changes the dynamic of the whole quiver because you have something to pivot on for cruddy days when it hasn't snowed for a week, or early season, or whatever. That's why I'm so in favour of it as a staple, as I mentioned. I've never skiied surface so I don't know what they're like, Seanpistol would be a decent source on that.
Sep 12 2007 10:50PM
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