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dave44
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I've got a pair of pow/park skis, 112 waist.  What bindings should I get. I just want your opinions.
Aug 9 2007 12:03AM
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height weight ability
Aug 9 2007 12:11AM
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dave44
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I'm here purely for opinions. I normally ski at DIN 7-8. 5'6, 125lbs.




I'm just getting opinions on what you think is the best binding for a big mountain ski. I was originally getting some Salomons for some Seths, but decided to get a different ski instead. I don't think the Salomons I was going to get (Z10's) would hold up well as a big mountain ski... they're more of a park ski from what I've gathered.
I want a solid binding... I'm not looking for people to say P20s or 920's or ridicuulous stuff ike that.
Aug 9 2007 12:21AM
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Love_Wins.
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FKS 120
Deadbolt
STH 12

Those are the ones I would look at, it depends if you break bindings easily.  If you do, then get something strong, with lots of metal in it...in not, then get something light, the STH 12 would be the best option I think.  Are you putting the,m on the Live Life/Live Life 2, by chance?
Aug 9 2007 12:39AM
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dave44
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Not Surfaces. These are for Moment Rubys. I'm manning up and skiing a 180 pow ski (I'm 5'6).

I don't break bindings easily... I guess STH would do. I'm looking at Z10's for park skis (they're supposed to be light), I just couldn't decide what to get for my pow ski
Aug 9 2007 12:42AM
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P.J.S.
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How toned down are the STH 12's as opposed to the STH 16's?? I need bindings for some pow skis this winter as well, and I am not big enough to justify the STH 16's, nor is my wallet.
Aug 9 2007 12:44AM
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Love_Wins.
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Those sound cool.
The Z series are super light, but that's because they are made with alot of light (read: not so strong) materials...if you're light and not real hard on your gear they should be ok.  The STH 12 is basically a beefed up Z12 with a flat AFD (which is better than the Z series AFD)...still very light, but stronger.  That's what I would get.  Right now it's between the STH 12 and the Deadbolt for my JPs, because they both have a wide screw pattern, I want the STH, but may end up with Deadbolts if I can get a deal on them.

Aug 9 2007 12:49AM
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dave44
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Yeah. I knew the Z10 was light but not so strong, which is why I am using it on my park ski but skeptical about using it on my pow setup. I'll look into the STH... any more suggestiosn?
Aug 9 2007 12:57AM
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Poomba
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so rubys, reno jibs, AND MRs? crazy man
Aug 9 2007 1:10AM
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dave44
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And MR's? Nah, I gave them up... I like the look of them, but realized a pow ski was what I really needed.
Aug 9 2007 1:16AM
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Love_Wins.
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P.J.S - The STH 16 is basically an s914 with a 16 DIN spring and the wormscrew adjustment for forward pressure, supposedly really strong cause theres a decent amount of metal in there, haven't checked them out in person though. The STH 12 is a stronger Z12, I've been told that they've been made stronger by using solid plastic for the toe wings, whereas the Z toe wings are hollow...things like that. Rumor is that they will set the new standard for 12 DIN freeride bindings.

DJDave - Look at the Look/Rossi turntables (FKS and the like), and the Pivot series (P10, P12, etc. But avoid the PX/Axial 2 heel). Also I've heard good things about some of the Head/Tyrolia bindings (Mojo 15, and the higher end bindings with the diagonal heel release) The new Marker Jester also looks solid, but I think it's a 6-16 binding, so it might be excessive.
Aug 9 2007 1:21AM
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dave44
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Say I like the sound of the STH series, but I can only find a STH 12 (I'm buying from Al's Ski Barn). It goes from 4-12. If I set the DIN at 6 (I usually ride at 7-ish) would that be too low? I've heard that you shouldn't go to close the the max. and min.
Aug 9 2007 1:56AM
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Love_Wins.
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Generally speaking the rule of thumb is to not leave them consistently set with 1-2 of either end...so a 12 DIN binding shouldn't be run past 10 alot, and not below 6...but the companies say (and I would believe them) that anywhere in the shown range is fine...the spring is designed to deliver a fairly consistent release value anywhere in it's available friction range. But this changes with different types of bindings and how they operate...for instance; a DIN setting of 9 on a 4-12 DIN binding (STH 12) will not release exactly the same as a setting of 9 on a binding that has a range of 9-16 (STH 16)...this is because the release tension value is relative to the spring rate range. This is probably confusing if you're not super familiar with how bindings work though.

Just know this: The STH 12 will be great for you, you won't max it out by any means, and you couldn't justify having the 16...in fact most shops couldn't/wouldn't even mount it for you, because it starts at a setting that they aren't legally allowed to set you at. Get the 12, you'll be glad you did.
Aug 9 2007 2:24AM
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dave44
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Okay. I was just wondering if I should have gone lower (like down to a 10), because I'm getting Z10's ... So I guess STH 12's will be my other binding.

Thanks for the help
Aug 9 2007 2:28AM
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Love_Wins.
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No problem man, the 12 is perfect, because even if in a year or two you decide you need to crank them down a notch or two...or 3, you'll still be in the sweet spot, no need to buy new bindings.
Aug 9 2007 2:37AM
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dave44
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I hope you mean crank them up... (i'm riding at 6-7)
Aug 9 2007 2:42AM
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Love_Wins.
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Haha, yeah...I meant crank them down as in, tighten them down...but you got the idea.
If only Salomon would update the proform site...I might get some for myself, if not though, I guess the Deadbolt 816s will work, though they are a bit overkill.
Aug 9 2007 2:49AM
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dave44
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Oh, I see, haha, sorry.




Thanks for the tips. I'll be lookiing forward to my new setup
Aug 9 2007 2:52AM
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dave44
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"
Salomon has redesigned their Lab Bindings and turned them into the all new STH Binding for extremely aggressive freestyle and freeride users. This binding is slightly lighter than that of the LAB but more importantly it has a stronger construction.

The Salomon STH Ski Binding has more durability with heel reinforcement & articulated track. The Salomon STH 12 ski binding has high lateral transmission giving more power to the edge of the ski. The STH 12 Binding also comes with the Z12 toe for a drastic reduction in weight and with Automatic Wing Adjustment you do not have to worry about the wings coming loose.

Salomon did not make a 914 binding for '08 because of the design on the new STH 12 and STH 16 Ski Bindings."

So.... it's toe is the same as the Z12's? Is it's heel stronger or something?
Aug 10 2007 10:10AM
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LookinBack
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also anyone want to chime in on how the new freeride bindings line up with the old p12 turntables? should i be investing in new bindings for my 08 skis or just keep rippin off my old p12 and remounting like ive been doing for the past few years
Aug 10 2007 11:17AM
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boxskier
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Go with the STH's
http://www.proctorjones.com/pjonline/dept.asp?s_id=0&mscssid=SKFLSFVGDVNG9M5E1VKN3MS6X8UJ9DC7&dept_id=10750&
plus the 10% discount
Aug 10 2007 7:20PM
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