i said that religion, money and government are human constructs and that they all have inherent problems.
you are very entrenched in the belief that the white western civilization is the "best" way of living. It is completely possible to have a simplistic life style without money, or government. it wouldn't be anything like the globalized societies of today, but you cannot pass judgement on saying that "this government" and "our money system" is beyond a doubt the BEST way of doing things.
You do not NEED religion to be "turned onto a better road" it is perfectly possible to be a moral individual without following any particular scripture. Religion changes, for people, the definition of good. It is easy for religious faith, even if it is irrational in itself, to lead a sane and decent person, by rational, logical steps, to do terrible things.. There is a logical path from religious faith to evil deeds. There is no logical path from atheism to evil deeds. Of course, many evil deeds are done by individuals who happen to be atheists. But it can never be rational to say that, because of my nonbelief in religion, it would be good to be cruel, to murder, to oppress women.
And in the words of Steven Weinberg "With or without [religion] you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion.”
Ironically you are the one who sounds ignorant, and i didn't see where i contradicted my self. I said that if something is thought provoking, you should think about it, go do your own investigations, and then after deliberating on whatever new evidence has been brought to light, reformulate whatever views you might have.... it is quite possible that he'd come to the same conclusion, but this is much different than not going through this process at all.
Please if you wish to defend religion, do not defend your religion, defend the taliban, defend their bullying of women, their sanctimonious hatred of all that might lead to enjoyment, their violence, their ignorant bigotry, and their hatred of education.
if you wish to defend wester civilization, tell me how human caused polution, mass extinction, modern warfare, massive gaps between rich and poor, are all justifyably "good" things that are saving us from a "shitty existance" and how much worse off we'd be if we didn't have these byproducts of modern civilization.
you tried to argue too, but not very hard.
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