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KramerC
Posts: 619 - Karma: 21
Last year i had line bindings shityest thing ever broke 3 pairs. The shop then gave me some salomon new bindings the Ti 14 ones. I have broke the base plate on them twice. I how looks on my powder skis. I need a binding that wont break in the park. I fucking hate bindings.
Mar 29 2007 12:42AM
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Love_to_eat_it
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looks or rossi for sure is the way to go none of this salamon crap common
Mar 31 2007 5:37PM
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mr_mckee
Posts: 122 - Karma: 14
well said
my freind always says rossi is better im like shut there the same
Apr 6 2007 3:35PM
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skier24
Posts: 1216 - Karma: 11
ive skied a pair of s912s on a pair of 1080s for 2 years and havent had a problem with them.
and ill be getting salomon bindings most likely for my arvs.
Apr 8 2007 8:07PM
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B-Wall
Posts: 176 - Karma: 165
Salomon Bindings suck the most dick out of any bindings...even more than marker
Apr 9 2007 3:06PM
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DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX
Posts: 1859 - Karma: 1,659
looks or rossi's
Apr 9 2007 3:34PM
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Park_Rider_435
Posts: 834 - Karma: 9
look or rossi turntable 18 din or 15 din
Apr 9 2007 3:37PM
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rudager
Posts: 11332 - Karma: 4,597
no
i just broke mine
they cant take your weight when skiing swtich
i was skiing on mine, went to turn around, caught an edge. i tore off the broke and put a huge crack on the plate of the hell peice
they just cant take the torsion of switch

im buying 4frnt deadbolts, anyone selling them?
Apr 9 2007 4:24PM
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Peter.
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my 810tis have some wing piece problems now and then but it is easily fixed w/ a screwdriver
Apr 9 2007 4:31PM
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rudager
Posts: 11332 - Karma: 4,597
brake*

also the toe wings always came loose (might off been my tow of the boot being worn out)
and my din was set properly as well

the marker bindings, my friend broke his spring landing switch in powder. he has them cranked high for his size and weight too
Apr 9 2007 4:35PM
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Sknsnw9
Posts: 957 - Karma: 10
what the hell is wrong with markers dude? i have the racestock COMP 20.0 EPS and i love them... i also have the salomon on my rock ski, i forgot which model, i think its the 912s and they are a piece of shit
Apr 9 2007 4:36PM
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Love_Wins.
Posts: 5536 - Karma: -1
Some people rave about the high-end Markers, particularly the MMR and the other bindings with the dual spring pivot style heel. I've never tried them myself, I think the issue with most markers if that the 'biometric' toe-piece just doesn't hold the boot well, causing pre-releases. Well, that and the simple fact that alot of people tend to break the lower-end models (as is the case with alot of cheaper bindings though).
Apr 9 2007 6:54PM
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alc
Posts: 566 - Karma: 23
agreed
Apr 9 2007 7:15PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
Posts: 2195 - Karma: 1,165
If you caught an edge simply by trying to turn around, then that says that you pretty much suck.

4 frnts are made by vist. Vist is the most inconsitent binding you can get. When you have torque tested bindings on a 20,000 dollar machine for several years, then make an EDUCATED remark. Until then, just do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.


Salomons and Markers have been the most consistent testing bindings that I've tested in the past 4 years among the salomon, marker, rossi, look, 4frnt/vist, atomic, and tyrolia brands.
Apr 10 2007 1:55PM
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JibEarth
Posts: 753 - Karma: 26
hpow do you guys break so many bindings? i suggest landing properly will make ur bindins last
Apr 10 2007 4:18PM
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KramerC
Posts: 619 - Karma: 21
I have the same bindings lots of pros ski on. They arent the shiny fucking gay ass new ones. I started this thread like two weeks ago. And i went to bachlor over spring break.

and i fucking broke the medal plate this time. My whole back heel peice and binding broke off. I had to buy a new break too. Why does expensive shit break so much. Im going back to Race stock FKS like when i was a racer.
Apr 11 2007 12:35PM
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KramerC
Posts: 619 - Karma: 21
cuase we acutlly ski. everytime i have broke my bindings(THREE TIMES THIS YEAR) was landing a 450 off a rail. LAnding just a plain old 360 and just skiing around fucking around not even in the park.

I agree and think looks are the best. Im getting the p16 race stock ones.
Apr 11 2007 12:43PM
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prosnurfer
Posts: 1842 - Karma: 83
yea i have solly's on my park ski's and that was such a big mistake. now that im alot better than wehen i started when i first got the bindings they sucjk. they atre light but landing swich is a disaster b/c the break's always cetch ont he ski even tho they are wide and thye will make my ski go all the way down the fuckin mt. so im forced to land perfictyly if i care to land swich. i also have popped out of them 2 tims on the take off, i was goin for a simple 7 maby a lil cork but jsut from throwin my self and popping off the jump i had spun myself right outta th ebuindings. i need to find soemthing light and bomb proff.
Apr 11 2007 12:55PM
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EL_FINRE
Posts: 2486 - Karma: 52
pwned
Apr 11 2007 1:10PM
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yeahitsdave
Posts: 1315 - Karma: 10
fks

and even with the rep, im still interested to see solly and marker's new bindings for next year
Apr 11 2007 2:26PM
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MLB
Posts: 4462 - Karma: 298
look how about this....DON'T LISTEN TO ANYBODY ON THIS SITE...except for maybe nonmensteven....but thats it. Honestly all you will hear is get looks, get looks, get looks.....blah blah blah. Here is the thing about the P series looks, they are all based on a sping loaded turnable heel. These are really tiny spings and tend to get weak over a short period of time. Ive two pairs of look/rossi bindings and i got to a point where i had to adjust them EVERY week. Right now im rocking a pair of salomon s810 ti ( ohh their the devil....watch out) and they have held up. They have pre-released once, but after a toe/wing adjustment they rock my socks.

Here is the key for buying bindings, all metal is best if you can get it. Marker sucks bad unless you can get those super high DIN ones, then those are pretty good. Lots of people will tell you tyrolia are crap bindings because they are heavy and mostly plastic, well they have saved my ACLS, skis, and my feet tons of times. Plus you don't hear much about them on here so i think they do their job. Basicly just look for whats best for you, don't rule out old bindings because salomon 900s, or 997 or the old rossi FKS are some of the best bindings every made.
Apr 11 2007 3:46PM
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Melvs
Posts: 15174 - Karma: 480
Here's a nice (short version of a) story about Salomon bindings and why I and none of my friends will ever again in our lives buy them or let anyone we know buy them:

Good friend and very good skier wants to ski a somewhat gnarly line.  the first step is to drop a  little (5 foot) cliff.  he does this, lands fine, but one of his skis pops off and he ends up tumbling down the line... over some rocks, cliffs, more rocks, you get the idea.  I was not there but 2 of my good friends (as well as the one skiing) were, and they both have said that theyr were sure the skiing friend was dead.  Well, they get down to him quick and see he's not only alive, but doing fairly well.  In the end, he just had a seriously fucked up knee.

The patrollers found his ski a few days later and returned it to him, what was more then obvious was that the top of the line salomon (not sure on exact model) binding was missing the entire heel piece, apart from HALF of the metal plate it mounts with.  This metal plate was sheared in half, as if the binding have been twisted to one side with a ridiculous force.  I wish I had a picture to show of it, it literally looked like someone had simply torn the metal piece in the middle.  I am no expert in ski bindings, but I do know that there is no way in HELL a fairly new binding, or even an older binding, should EVER have a piece break like that did.  Ever.  Salomon bindings nearly cost me and a lot of others the loss of a good friend, and caused our good friend the loss of most of a season and a knee that is still giving him trouble, probably will the rest of his life.

Had my friend wanted to sue (which he didn't, he's quite against lawsuits...), he could have without a doubt come out with a nice big settlement, but instead he contacted Salomon directly and told them of the problem.  Kind and caring Salomon sent him a new pair of bindings to make up for it.
Apr 11 2007 4:16PM
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wrenegade
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I recently broke my 912tis heeltracks and I know of many other people who have done the same. It was an easy fix though, just got replacement tracks (unfortunately still aluminum, not 914 steel) and I'm good to go again. But it is a pain in the ass. I woudn't recommend them. I have 916s on my other skis which are fucking solid but weigh a ton. Not exactly the best park binding. The new Salomon STH12 and STH16 bindings for next year are supposed to be solid. Not current 916 solid (they will continue to make those as well as far as I know) but almost. And lighter.

Before those come out though, I recommend fischer x14/x17 bindings. Relatively light, diagonal heel release, and pretty fucking solid. For those who are fans of the pivot heel, but can't afford/don't want to go racestock FKS, this is a solid binding.

Regular look px/rossi bindings have had plenty of problems themselves, so anyone saying they are the best thing ever is wrong. I'd put them on par with the z12, which is way lighter. If you weight less than 150lbs, go with the z12. It'd be pretty tough to break them at that weight.
Apr 11 2007 4:16PM
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KramerC
Posts: 619 - Karma: 21
Your a fucking tool. your bindings go to ten so why dont you just go blow some ski instructers cock.
Apr 12 2007 1:08AM
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Squirrel_Murphy
Posts: 2195 - Karma: 1,165
so what if his bindings go to ten?! that means jack shit. So he rides them at 7 8 or 9 hell or even 6. IT DOESNT MATTER you dumbass.
Apr 12 2007 1:50PM
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steezy-joe
Posts: 452 - Karma: 10
suck, i broke 2 pairs, well the second was cuz karmas suck and i ripped it out of the ski.
Apr 12 2007 2:03PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
Posts: 2195 - Karma: 1,165
sounds like a mounting error
Apr 12 2007 2:57PM
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MarkieR
Posts: 5337 - Karma: 98
oh man wtf your din doesn't go to 85? you must have a small penis.

seriously who gives a fuck? if 810s work for someone, great. there's no reason to buy race stock bindings if you don't need them.
Apr 12 2007 3:36PM
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wrenegade
Posts: 6631 - Karma: 41
That was the exact same thing that happened to my binding a week and a half ago. Luckily I had no knee damage, just bruises. I'm willing to bet a fair bit of money it was not top of the line salomon, but just a 912ti. The heel tracks are made from aluminum, where as the 914 have steel ones. The almuminum are notorious for breaking, but I haven't heard of many (or any) people snapping the heeltracks on 914s. This doesn't happen at all on the racestock 916s and 920s because they use wormscrew heels instead of track systems.

I feel bad for your friend, and this really was a problem salomon should have dealt with, but although the number of freeskiers who have had this problem is high, most buyers of the 912s were either to light or just did not push the bindings that hard so it was never a problem. Salomon probably didn't see fit in recalling all of those bindings.

As far as I know the heeltrack problem has been fixed on the upper-end (12+ DIN) sollys, and while I understand why you personally wouldn't buy Salomons again, its no longer reason why no one else shouldn't.
Apr 12 2007 4:32PM
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MarkieR
Posts: 5337 - Karma: 98
salomon wouldn't ever recall that binding because the aluminum heel track is part of what distinguishes the 912 from the 914. the aluminum heel track lightens the binding. that's the whole idea of the 912, to be lighter. as with most items, less weight usually sacrafices strength. assess what type of riding you will be doing before you choose a binding. if you're going to be charging hard, don't buy a binding that has a possibility of shearing due to over-stressing. it's not salomon's fault. next time buy a stronger model.
Apr 12 2007 4:42PM
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Melvs
Posts: 15174 - Karma: 480
if Salomon makes a binding that breaks when skied hard, and allows it to be sold to anyone other then little kids who pizza down trails, I think they're completely at fault.
Apr 12 2007 4:57PM
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MarkieR
Posts: 5337 - Karma: 98
so salomon should be in shops telling people which bindings to purchase? it's not a big secret that 912's are not as strong as 914's. people just need to do a little bit of homework.
Apr 12 2007 5:03PM
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dmiller
Posts: 210 - Karma: 10
salomon bindings suck squirrel nuts.
Apr 12 2007 7:17PM
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Melvs
Posts: 15174 - Karma: 480
All I'm saying is that if I were in charge of Salomon, I wouldn't sell bindings that were known to break under fairly normal conditions (I don't think a 5 foot drop into some pow is a extreme skiing manuver) because I would personally feel bad if people got hurt (which they have), and because of the lawsuits that would arrise.  Just being a company they should know better for the sole reason that lawsuits will happen if their things break.
Apr 12 2007 9:34PM
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Love_Wins.
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The Salomons I've owned have given me many problems, they were fine at first, then shit started breaking off a little at a time, the plastic rollers in the toe to help you release, the whole AFD peice, the release levers got fucked up somehow (my guess = bent) and wouldn't reset properly, and I finally snapped a heelcup completely in half. Granted is was because they were a cheapy plastic model, and that won't prevent me from buying high-end (read: metal) Salomons, it certainly doesn't make me happy that I paid for my bindings to fall apart bit by bit.
Apr 12 2007 9:47PM
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invader7
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amen get some look or rossis
Apr 12 2007 10:28PM
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Edward.
Posts: 9366 - Karma: 445
rossi and look are the way to go, even though theyre not as light as the salomons they will prevent knee injurys more than salomons
Apr 12 2007 10:30PM
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gregor
Posts: 1069 - Karma: 83
Dude Salomon used to make THE best bindings, I mean no other company could come close. But this was all pre-'98. The binding they've had for the last 9 years isn't as well made and has ruined Salomons reputation.
Redesign needed!!!!
Apr 12 2007 10:34PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
Posts: 2195 - Karma: 1,165
agreed
Apr 16 2007 11:39PM
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Sholte
Posts: 2929 - Karma: 12
rossi scratch 120 or 4frnt deadbolts
Apr 16 2007 11:49PM
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Jib_This
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Salomon has dealt with that heel track problem. You don't get it nearly as much with the Z series bindings, and next year's STH bindings should pretty much eliminate it completely.

If you look at how the heeltrack on a 912/914 (not 914 LAB, there is such a binding and it's slightly different than a normal 914, in that it has a heelpiece similar to a 916)) is held in by the most rearward screws, you'll notice that the screws don't actually go through the track, but rather just sit beside it, while going through the plastic piece that surrounds the track. Essentially, the track is "pinched" onto the ski, but not totally held on. If you torque your boot enough, that method of retaining the heel track, along with the fact that up until this year, no Salomon consumer bindings had a toe AFD that was wide enough for jib/hard skiing applications, resulted in either breaking of the plastic surrounding piece or torn to shit heeltracks.

The STH solves it 2 ways. 1- significantly wider AFD up front to help prevent the boot from twisting/torqueing (something that happens in all bindings) and 2-by using the 916 style heelpiece/track, in which the 2 most rearward screws on the heelpiece actually go through real, legit metal and really, really hold the binding down, rather than just "pinching" it and relying on plastic to finish the job off. Basically, both the 12 and 16 DIN versions of the STH should pretty much end this whole "salomon bindings suck" bullshit forever.
Apr 16 2007 11:57PM
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Literature
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 I have never been a big fan, and after using 914s on my pow skis and 912 tis for one day on a another pair, I seriously doubt their merit at all. The Z series seems to have the same prerelease problems, as I have seen many people constantly blowing out of their Z12s on stomped landings.

Apr 17 2007 1:12AM
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Love_Wins.
Posts: 5536 - Karma: -1
I wish they'd make a 14 DIN version though, those bastards...with the wormscrew for adjusting forward pressure too, not that notch bullshit.
Apr 17 2007 1:30AM
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Jib_This
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They do. some 914s (LAB versions, some, not all) have the wormscrew forward pressure adjust.

I have never, ever, ever seen a properly set forward pressure adjustment, either tab or screw, not work properly, unless the mechanism itself was defective.

Of note: Nosepresses mimic the EXACT forces that a heelpiece should release you under, in any kind of normal skiing. They're not a test of anything other than vertical elasticity in heelpieces, and quite frankly, nosepress hard enough and you'll come out of ANY binding.
Apr 17 2007 2:53AM
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Love_Wins.
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Yeah, I just prefer the wormscrew for some reason...the tabs are a pain in the ass to me.

And I was saying I wish they'd make an STH 14 for next year...cause I'd like to have a little more available than the 10 DIN just in case (I don't like to run my bindings in the first or last two settings), but 9-16 is putting me right in the bottom of the range...so something in between would be perfect. Plus I'm not really sure about that Z series toe piece yet...and from what I've heard the STH 16 will have the S series toe...
Apr 17 2007 3:18AM
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Jib_This
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STH 12 uses a beefier Z toe piece.

16 uses a lightened 916 toe. I think it's very similar to a 914 toe if I remember correctly.

Either way, they're both looking good, but I'm tempted by the STH 12.
Apr 17 2007 4:22AM
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Rusticles
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What the hell are your dins set at mine are at 9 or 10 on S912's and I weight 170 lbs and never prerelease. Have used salomons for 5 years only broken 1 heel piece on 3 pairs of salomon bindings (numerous base plates). Maybe I don't crash as much
Apr 17 2007 11:09AM
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