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THE ONLY REAL PUNK IS POLITICAL PUNK

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lagwagon
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Right?, coz that was the whole thing that started it, diversity and anger at the government?

All that other crap is just not punk, rock maybe but not punk, dont get me wrong im not saying i hate it i like it a lot its just not real original punk, i dont see an argument in this topic either, unless im reallly ignorant.
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Jun 17 2003 5:36PM
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weazelzb
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like pennywise


hoked on foniks wurked fur me.kant u tel?
jigga say wha??


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Jun 17 2003 5:40PM
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MistaSkier
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Well, they could be pissed at the government but not singing about that for a certain song.


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Jun 17 2003 5:52PM
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stephen_beast
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right wing facist creating punk sounding music and claiming their punks. its gay to get caught up in that stuff though and sorta hypocritical who cares what other people like, you dont need to impose your 'self righteous' views on everyone else but those are just my thoughts, you can go ahead and make fun of people for liking sum 41 and hardcore punk avril lavigne, i know i did and it was ablast. its also fun contradicting yourslef alot in one paragraph that doesnt really make sence. hello.
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Jun 17 2003 6:21PM
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Dfresh
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i don't get it, why is your name lagwagon? if you are always talking about punk... lagwagon is emo man...

punk didn't start political in the sense that they were blatantly talking out against the government, it was sort of just going out against the normal of the time...

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Jun 17 2003 6:38PM
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CTripper
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who made you the punk nazi?
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Jun 17 2003 6:47PM
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FreshCoast
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'The only real punk' ???????????
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Jun 17 2003 6:47PM
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andyrightcoast
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if you're still calling music punk than you're sorely mistaken.
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Jun 17 2003 8:22PM
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rhcp
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by definition i dont like 'real' punk. and who are you to say what 'real' punk is. is it signing about getting stoned? is it about the government? Is it something else? punk can be a bunch of different things. it can be your lifestyle, beliefs. there really isnt a 'real' punk. thats like saying pedro isnt a real baseball player because he gets paid a lot unlike the pioneers of the sport
Jun 17 2003 8:40PM
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Maximumsushi
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So I have a few questions.

Suppose a band releases a political ''punk'' song. It carry's a political message, it is written in the punk manner, using punk instruments, lots of distortion, etc. It's a punk song by your definintion through and through. Now suppose they use exactly the same song, all the same notes, distortion, vocal inflections but they change the lyrics. Now the song is about Pumpkin Pie. Is this song a ''Punk'' song? If not, its not in the music.

Now suppose they take the lyrics from the first song but write them to an an accoustic guitar, piano and a chello. It's not the punk music style at all. Is this song a ''Punk'' song? If not, its not in the message.

So if its not in the music and not in the message. What makes the song punk exactly?

In my opinion its all about the music, if you change the lyrics, its still a fucking punk song.
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Jun 17 2003 9:07PM
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lineskier10
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the only real fag on this site is lagwagon, because hes gay
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Jun 17 2003 9:33PM
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rhcp
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why does lagwagon start all of these pointless threads that just turn on him?
Jun 17 2003 10:29PM
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Ski_Instructor_Mike
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I'd rather die If I can't live without my pumpkin pie! puuhuhuhuhuhmkin pie! AAAAAHHHH rather die! DUH DUH DUH DUH DUUH YEAH!
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Jun 17 2003 10:55PM
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nkmo.
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Goddamn I'm sick of people classifying music like this. In my eyes there are two types of music: Good music and Bad music.



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Jun 17 2003 11:33PM
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Ski_Instructor_Mike
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^ this man is right. I'm off like a jewsish foreskin.
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Jun 18 2003 1:32AM
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LC.
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We had a horrible long thread about this on our university newsgroup.

Yes, 'punk' started out as purely political, and nothing to do with the music. The music itself was merely a brand of rock. But now, like it or not, 'punk' has come to define the sound of the music.

Maximumsushi - I get what you're saying totally. You could have N-Sync do a pop-cover of an Anti-Flag song - would it still be a 'punk' song? Equally, Anti-Flag could do a punk-cover of an N-Sync song - would that be a 'punk' song? It's all to do with how you classify the song - by music or lyrics. Yes, there are very political bands like Propadandhi and Anti-Flag, which you could not call anything but 'punk', but then there are bands like NOFX and Lagwagon who have the same basic characteristics in sound, but at times have lyrics about all sorts of shit - are they not 'punk'? And then there and bands like The Vandals who are completely the opposite lyrically, but very good musically - where do they fit in?

Personally, I listen to music primarily for the sound of it. There are bands that I listen to who have a great sound but shitty lyrics. Then there are bands with awesome lyrics that otherwise I wouldn't really like. Of course, good music and good lyrics makes for a great band.
Jun 18 2003 6:14AM
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ductapeboy
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music evolves and chainges


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Jun 18 2003 3:42PM
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Dr.Dealgood
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Its Different Scope.

You are all trying to define punk as according to what it was. Political outcry. As time went on the music genre diversified itself and things like more emotional music came out touching on things such as love. Though a political theme the genre was now much more diversified.

Take it a few years later.

Punk has gained rapid popularity, its fast 'edgy' sound are attracting alot of young people. This was recognized by record labels and thus bands like New Found Glory, Simple Plan, and Avril Lavigne appear and become extremely successful. This new marketed punk is often labled as bubblegum, in that it strayed from the original mission of punk - this new 'punk' was too soft, and poorly represented punks past.

So what does it all mean?
Punk went from being corporate and political criticism to being on MTV and every goddamn radio station.
True punk is often defined as something that is 'underground' little known, a hard sound, and does its own thing.

Thats what separate true punk from bubblegum punk. People like Avril are not individuals they are directed by their rec. execs. for the sake of profit.

Therefore, punk is by definition doing something for yourself, by yourself, for the sake of individualism.
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Jun 18 2003 5:43PM
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skiordie
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Hey, the band 'Lagwagon' has got a new album out called 'Blaze' and it's fockin' awesome!
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Jun 18 2003 6:37PM
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lagwagon
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cows don't like bulls cows like grass and honey.
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Jun 18 2003 10:16PM
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lagwagon
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im sick of people trying to be all spesh and not classifying music, who the fuck are you orrr actually i dont care, suck a wrench you godlike beings.
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Jun 18 2003 10:28PM
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SohCahToa
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im glad you didnt go to skool with me
Jun 19 2003 12:06AM
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rhcp
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its not legal to marry a band.
Jun 19 2003 7:03PM
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JayDC7
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if this thread was a baby, it should have been aborted..



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Jun 19 2003 7:31PM
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CalgaryJibber
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ITS ALL ABOUT BEING REBELS! Reeebell!
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Jun 19 2003 10:14PM
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JayDC7
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i rebel against my mom.. then she sends me to my room..



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Jun 19 2003 11:14PM
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Papa
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who cares what punk is or inst', it's just music, lagwagon you're a fag for making yet another post on what punk is, fuck you man, get a life
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Jun 20 2003 1:18AM
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Hepcat1000000000
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For once lagwagon is somewhat correct. Punk didn't really grow out of anger at the government, it grew out of anger at authority in general, from parents to God. The pinnacle of anarchist punk would probably be Crass. But for once i have to agree that punk does usually speak out against authority and the government. I mean c'mon, if you hear a hardcore band singing all about how their girlfriends left them, you're not gonna take it as true punk right away, right?

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Jun 21 2003 12:48AM
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dilla_says_go
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punk is dead you little sluts

pirates. they just don't fuck around.

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Jun 21 2003 10:30AM
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ski-bum-1080
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punks not dead, but political punk sucks i cant stand it
Jun 21 2003 11:53AM
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lagwagon
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opinions dont need judgement.
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Jun 22 2003 4:47AM
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lagwagon
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opinions dont need judgement.
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Jun 22 2003 4:48AM
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360spins
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^ BamBam and MaximumSushi both make good points, same with whomever said that there is only good music and bad music. The thing is that 'Importance' scales on a couple of different measuring sticks. If importance to you is what sounds good - dope. For many though, importance scales on a critical level, meaning that of music critisim, which is the disussion of music in term of its form and influence as well as how cool it sounds.

In that light, I gotta agree that punk is about the message, not just the music style. Same stands for Hip-hop for that matter. Hip Hop is all about the message of power and education and community, where Rap is the method that it comes across in.
Jun 22 2003 3:07PM
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What_A_Wookie
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The only 2 kinds of music are country and western suckah
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Jun 22 2003 6:13PM
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lagwagon
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what is malt liquor like? is it nie? i wanna try it.
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Jun 22 2003 6:38PM
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B-Wald
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i'm not understandin this whole callin stuff punk thing..
y'all act like it's a fucken compliment..i'm not sayin it's a insult..it's just a word to describe something..
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Jun 22 2003 7:25PM
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lagwagon
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yes i agree and also i dont care....but...
What does punk mean?

Punk means thinking for yourself. Punk is sincere aggression and kindness. Punk means being open-minded. Punk is change. Punk means cuddle.
hehehehehe
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Jun 23 2003 3:34AM
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What_A_Wookie
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on someother thread it was something like Proleteriat Urban Nihilist ....whatever K was, i dont really know
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Jun 23 2003 10:56AM
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Lanemeyers
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What if it was called Punkin Pie?



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Jun 23 2003 11:02AM
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What_A_Wookie
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I would cry...that reminds me of the PIXIES for some reason....
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Jun 23 2003 11:06AM
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dilla_says_go
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to start, political punk bands are so full of shit. they think they're being oppressed by the government or some shit like that. give me a break. ever since punk has become a style, it has been dead. its fucking rediculous how kids are trying to get punk points by wearing chuck taylors or putting pins on their jackets. dont get me wrong, there is some good punk music out there, but most of it is just whiney frosted rat shit. its probably best if you just listen to what you like and dont give a fuck about style or whos punk or what. thats probably the most punk thing to do. or fucking murder someone. thats pretty punk.

pirates. they just don't fuck around.

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Jun 23 2003 7:29PM
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Mr.Cheese
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weazelzb that was dumb, pennywise is good but they didn't really start much. if u wanna listen to good political music go to the good old war songs, or listen to propaghandi or choke or misfits or ramones or somethin like that, shit son i like a lot of stuff in the punk scene, i don't think that we should say one band is better than the other tho because it all dependse on how u look at em


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Jun 23 2003 7:47PM
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Pipe_Munky
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if punk is dead, go listen to Strike Anywhere and then find out the story behind the song Sunset on 32nd Street and tell me that they're blending in with the mainstream shit!

now, for all of you that listen to bands like, good charlotte, sum 41, blink 182, simple plan, etc... you all deserve to be tortured by paper cuts on the tip of your dick!


punk is alive, you just need to dig through the crap to find it!




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Jun 23 2003 8:43PM
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ThisAngelicRage
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Political punk may be the origin of punk but it's the not the only rightful kind of punk. In my opinion hardcore is where it's at when it comes to punk.


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Jun 23 2003 9:41PM
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BMit
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according to guttermouth, punk is a hard, fast, deliberately offensive style of rock music




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Jun 23 2003 10:40PM
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lagwagon
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yeah i dont find it too ofenssive, and why is everyone so mehmehmeh about a 'punk style' I LIKE PUNK AND STUFF BUT DONT WEAR SAFETY PINS AND leather shit and those studded arm bands i dont wear patches and so on, but yeah i just agree with there points of view and relate to them. I didnt even know it was a 'style' i thought it was how you were, why would people want to be poor? is there a problem with 'style freaks' over there. coz theres no tryhards like that here, except for me maybe.
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Jun 24 2003 2:51AM
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Ski_Instructor_Mike
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you're sooooo scene.


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Jun 24 2003 3:06AM
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ReggaeConcept
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i wear patches and pins but i dont wear leather. i wear the patches cuz i like the way they look and how, around here, they say 'i support a different scene' what about Justin Sane though? he is the singer for anti-flag and is as punk as they come now a days, but his solo career is just him and his acoustic guitar. its still punk, but its not hardcore like A Global Theat. Punk is a state of mind and a way of thinking, its not what you wear, what you say or how you say it.

thats my 2cents


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Jun 25 2003 8:53PM
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teresak2
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punk wasn't ment to be a style it was ment to defy the norm and express individuality




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Jun 25 2003 9:40PM
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ReggaeConcept
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it was ment as a gathering of people who didnt fit in anywhere else. read Rotten by John Lydon. its Johnny Rotten's autobiography and talks about how it all started and what it means and what it meant. its really good


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Jun 26 2003 12:02AM
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lagwagon
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can't talk, crying...I actually fucken like cryed hard out tonight, the only girl i ever loved broke up with me, oooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwww!
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